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AMD 8320 + AsRock 990FX extreme3 vs i5 4670k + AsRock Z87 extreme3

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November 21, 2013 9:40:06 PM

Hey guys,

I've been looking at parts for ages but am still a little confused about the latest piledriver and haswell CPUs and their respective motherboards.

I am very conscious of cost but at the same time don't want to cut corners which may come back to bite. The 8320 would be OCed to at least 8350 clock speeds. The 8320 + 990X motherboard combo is $103 less than the 4670k + Z87. For a predominantly gaming-oriented build is the extra expenditure worth it?

Also, are the extreme3s sufficient? They're rather cheap but seem to have everything I need. The Z87 of course has PCIe 3.0 and extra USB 3.0 ports but my planned case (Antec GX700) only needs two USB 3.0s anyway. Basically, are the Z87's extra features relevant and would I be better off with extreme4s or something else?

$1197/$1200 is quite a difference. What would you guys suggest?
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November 21, 2013 9:44:58 PM

I went for the I5 because it's more power efficient and has better single thread performance, but the FX is good too. Extreme 3 is great value, I got one and it performs well. o/c mem to 2400, and CPU to 4.8GHz (maybe less with haswell).
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November 21, 2013 9:47:48 PM

i5 will be optimal for gaming, but the 8320 will suffice too. Depends on how much you want to spend.
Now comparing boards, if you plan to go with an intel build, get te extreme4.
The extreme4 has has more SATA3 & USB3 ports with an extra PCIe 2.0x16 slot.
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November 21, 2013 9:56:43 PM

IAMEXTREME said:

Now comparing boards, if you plan to go with an intel build, get te extreme4.
The extreme4 has has more SATA3 & USB3 ports with an extra PCIe 2.0x16 slot.


This is my problem, I don't understand what difference this makes in real-world terms, i.e. what does that difference enable me to do?

PCIe is only used for graphics cards, sound cards and network cards? Is the extreme3 ample for a 680, maybe a future SLI and a network card? Do they all need x16? What is SATA used for other than hard drives and optical drives? I'd only be looking at two and one respectively.

The extreme3 sounds like more than enough?
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November 21, 2013 10:24:19 PM

My primary reason for suggesting you an extreme4 mobo was that, in easy words, it handles the cpu and the multi-graphic cards more in a much better way than the extreme3. If you plan to O.C in future, the motherboard plays an important role in its stability.
Otherwise if you plan to save bucks, extreme3 will suffice.
PCI.e is primarily used for graphic cards and sound cards (which you will not be needing as you will have a built in THX STUDIO in your extreme4 motherboard). The SATA is used for hard drives and optical drives only.
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November 21, 2013 10:36:15 PM

IAMEXTREME said:
If you plan to O.C in future, the motherboard plays an important role in its stability.
Otherwise if you plan to save bucks, extreme3 will suffice.


About $40 more for the 4s. Does this mean I shouldn't OC with an extreme3 or that I just couldn't OC as 'extreme' as I could on the extreme4? Also, does this only apply to the 990FXs with their different power phases and so on? Also I see the extreme3 recommended for OCing elsewhere e.g. http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-...

IAMEXTREME said:

PCI.e is primarily used for graphic cards and sound cards (which you will not be needing as you will have a built in THX STUDIO in your extreme4 motherboard). The SATA is used for hard drives and optical drives only.


So I'd only need 2 PCIe x16s and 3 SATA3s?

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November 21, 2013 10:43:58 PM

Ofcourse you can overclock with extreme2. it is a decent motherboard afterall. It's just that you can O.C at more stable higher clocks with extreme4.
Plus, in future if you do plan a SLI/CROSS FIRE, you are handicaped by the extreme3 board as it has only one PCIe x16, while you can SLI/Crossfire with extreme4 board.
$40 is really worth spending on extreme 4. It is the best bang for the buck.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-express-ivy-bri...
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November 21, 2013 10:53:10 PM

IAMEXTREME said:

Plus, in future if you do plan a SLI/CROSS FIRE, you are handicaped by the extreme3 board as it has only one PCIe x16, while you can SLI/Crossfire with extreme4 board.
$40 is really worth spending on extreme 4. It is the best bang for the buck.


http://www.asrock.com/mb/compare.asp?SelectedModel=Z87M... They all have 3+ PCIe x16s just a matter of 3.0 vs 2.0?
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November 21, 2013 11:03:08 PM

Spot_the_Samurai said:
IAMEXTREME said:

Plus, in future if you do plan a SLI/CROSS FIRE, you are handicaped by the extreme3 board as it has only one PCIe x16, while you can SLI/Crossfire with extreme4 board.
$40 is really worth spending on extreme 4. It is the best bang for the buck.


http://www.asrock.com/mb/compare.asp?SelectedModel=Z87M... They all have 3+ PCIe x16s just a matter of 3.0 vs 2.0?


True. My bad.
I was detracked from z87 to z77.
Well, in this case 3.0 and 2.0 does not make much of a difference in gaming. However, you get a better power phase in ex4 than ex3 for OCing.
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November 22, 2013 12:45:11 AM

IAMEXTREME said:

Well, in this case 3.0 and 2.0 does not make much of a difference in gaming. However, you get a better power phase in ex4 than ex3 for OCing.


But that only applies for the 990FX motherboards, right?
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November 22, 2013 4:39:30 AM

Spot_the_Samurai said:
IAMEXTREME said:

Well, in this case 3.0 and 2.0 does not make much of a difference in gaming. However, you get a better power phase in ex4 than ex3 for OCing.


But that only applies for the 990FX motherboards, right?


Yes absolutely.
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November 22, 2013 4:41:56 AM

You could try to go for an 8320 and a M5A99FX PRO R2.0 or try and pony up for a Z87 Extreme4, either way you are in good shape, it all depends on what games you want to play.
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November 22, 2013 10:38:09 AM

Go with the AMD setup and apply the 100+ dollars saved towards a better video card. That'll have more impact on your gaming.
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November 23, 2013 3:17:18 AM

jeffredo said:
Go with the AMD setup and apply the 100+ dollars saved towards a better video card. That'll have more impact on your gaming.


The problem with the budget being flexible, as it is, is that any savings probably go back to my pocket. Because the step up from the planned 270X is over $100 more for less than 20% improvement.

I am also conscious of the fact that the CPU, along with the motherboard, are likely to be in my computer for longer than any other part so I am unsure if I want to be frugal when it comes to processors.
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November 23, 2013 4:23:29 PM

I had an extreme 4 m-ATX initially and then got an extreme 3 ATX. There was no difference in overclocking capability. The Extreme 4 just adds extra SATA3 and mSATA, which you only need if you have more than two SATA3 devices. Since only SSD's can take advantage of the SATA3 speeds (it's pointless for HDD), then you would need more than 2 SSDs to take advantage of the extra SATA3 ports. Additionally, as the extra SATA3 ports aren't native Intel, they are a bit slower (they are Asmedia). It has an extra power phase for memory, but seriously, are you going to push your memory clocks and voltages that hard? The consensus is over 1600MHz memory makes little difference, both boards support 2800, which should be plenty.

The extra PCI2.0 x1 slot on the Extreme 4 actually replaces a PCI2.0 x16 slot on the Extreme 3, so it's actually a down grade.
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June 11, 2014 1:09:49 AM

It's as simple as this if you live in the sahara desert buy intel, because they own many fabrication/production plant, they will always have an edge in terms of performance to watt ratio; while AMD has to rely on a third party improvements in manufacturing chips such as TSMc, and if you live somewhere cooler or able to afford air conditioning, then it's as simple as eenie minie mo, a few seconds or a few minutes is hardly what I call OMG I have wasted a lot of time. If you are building for gaming chances are you will be too engrossed in gaming to notice a few fps difference. don't game alone instead game with friends, you will be engaging in conversation and not nitpicking over a few fps difference. If you're building for video editing or engage in heavy use of the computer provided you work in a competitive environment or an office I would most certainly
fork out extra for the faster option. if your in home making youtube videos choose one which is lighter and better suited for your budget.(leftover can be used to feeding your cat or bought flowers/gifts for our parents or simply anything) If you have to wait a little longer for the processor to finish it's job regardless of brand, why not use that time to walk around; perhaps and especially if you work in a competitive/stressfull environment you might find that those 3 minutes will spark a little creativity. (seriously try this if you are stuck doing something say homework, do something that is completely opposite than what you are doing say gardening for 2 minutes, or tell and ice cold joke over the phone to your parents or something and come back, you might have something different) so don't fret over things just choose something you fell is right for you. this is lengthy but thank you for reading towards the end.
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