Athlon X4 760k vs Fx-4300
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MrAcd
November 22, 2013 8:22:40 PM
this is a budget computer upcoming for Christmas, I Have a 9800 Gt that i am planning on overclocking im just bottlenecked at the moment by my athlon x2 64 3800+ so i will be buying a new motherboard but which CPU do i want a Richland Athlon X4 760k or a Fx-4300 i will do slight overclock on the CPU until i receive better cooling, but there is a decent price difference, this computer is purely for gaming, plz dont suggest a 6300 only if black friday lowers the price a lot will that be considered, but for gaming at overclocking which will be important, this is really for my 12 year old brother, he doesnt make any money so price is big key for him.
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The fx has L3 cache so will benefit in games and really the athlon on the fm2 is basically a disabled igpu A8/A10 so the FX should be better. I know u said dont mention it but unless theres a major deal on the fx4300 or athlon x4 the 6300 really is the best option, at least at current retail pricing no sales but not sure where u get ur pricing nor budget.
Also unless ur going to upgrade the gpu later prob not alot of benefit at least performance difference between the two as the gpu should bottleneck the cpu before it gets maxxed out.
personally id go with the fx just because if theres a gpu upgrade u can get quite a bit stronger cpu, but from what ive seen from amds roadmap there is no more fx high performance desktop cpus lined up for the next year or so only high end apus.
Also a A10 6800k with some 2400mhz ram would prob perform better or on par with the 9800gt matters if its a 512mb or 1gb card. Knowing ur on a budget its prob not the best option but just throwing it out there.
Also unless ur going to upgrade the gpu later prob not alot of benefit at least performance difference between the two as the gpu should bottleneck the cpu before it gets maxxed out.
personally id go with the fx just because if theres a gpu upgrade u can get quite a bit stronger cpu, but from what ive seen from amds roadmap there is no more fx high performance desktop cpus lined up for the next year or so only high end apus.
Also a A10 6800k with some 2400mhz ram would prob perform better or on par with the 9800gt matters if its a 512mb or 1gb card. Knowing ur on a budget its prob not the best option but just throwing it out there.
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The FX-4300 and FX-6300 are the same price, currently, on Newegg. For the FX-6300, you just need to type in a code, and it will be $109. Just sayin'.
Anyway, the primary difference between the FX-4300 and the Athlon 760K is the the level 3 cache (which the former has, and the latter does not). Level 3 cache makes a difference with large, intensive uses, like gaming. Is it a game changer? No. But it is an edge.
Really, I see this as, if you plan on overclocking, what kind of motherboard do you have in mind to facilitate this, and how does the FM2 board in your price range compare to the AM3+?
Anyway, the primary difference between the FX-4300 and the Athlon 760K is the the level 3 cache (which the former has, and the latter does not). Level 3 cache makes a difference with large, intensive uses, like gaming. Is it a game changer? No. But it is an edge.
Really, I see this as, if you plan on overclocking, what kind of motherboard do you have in mind to facilitate this, and how does the FM2 board in your price range compare to the AM3+?
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 6:14:43 AM
The gpu will be upgraded later yes so I got one person saying Athlon and one saying FX if the 6300 goes down to 100 I will get that but I can't count on it so I have to pick one or the other I did notice the l3 cache and do know it's better for gaming but the 6800k idea is good yeah but if he is updating the gpu say April no need for that and buying the 2400mhz ram I myself in my build have a a10/5800k OCed to 4.4ghz with a 7870 I have buyers remorse wishing I would of got the 6300. but is the litte difference worth a 10$ For the 4300 over a 760k I know platform wise Amd promised 2+ years for fm2 but the am3 cpu's are stronger so it comes down to a 760k at 90$ or a 4300 at 100$ is it worth it and he will OC some on stock cooler so keep that in mind but yea as a 12 yr old playing games like bf4 and call if duty is the extra 10$ worth it?(
Also unless ur going to upgrade the gpu later prob not alot of benefit at least performance difference between the two as the gpu should bottleneck the cpu before it gets maxxed out.
personally id go with the fx just because if theres a gpu upgrade u can get quite a bit stronger cpu, but from what ive seen from amds roadmap there is no more fx high performance desktop cpus lined up for the next year or so only high end apus.
Also a A10 6800k with some 2400mhz ram would prob perform better or on par with the 9800gt matters if its a 512mb or 1gb card. Knowing ur on a budget its prob not the best option but just throwing it out there.
lazyboy947 said:
The fx has L3 cache so will benefit in games and really the athlon on the fm2 is basically a disabled igpu A8/A10 so the FX should be better. I know u said dont mention it but unless theres a major deal on the fx4300 or athlon x4 the 6300 really is the best option, at least at current retail pricing no sales but not sure where u get ur pricing nor budget.Also unless ur going to upgrade the gpu later prob not alot of benefit at least performance difference between the two as the gpu should bottleneck the cpu before it gets maxxed out.
personally id go with the fx just because if theres a gpu upgrade u can get quite a bit stronger cpu, but from what ive seen from amds roadmap there is no more fx high performance desktop cpus lined up for the next year or so only high end apus.
Also a A10 6800k with some 2400mhz ram would prob perform better or on par with the 9800gt matters if its a 512mb or 1gb card. Knowing ur on a budget its prob not the best option but just throwing it out there.
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 6:20:10 AM
I see the 6300 is on sale now
but with the 760k he is already breaking the budget I'm only saying the 4300 is 100 because it is bound to go down to the or lower I have seen it do it plenty of times. FYI the 9800 gt is a 1gb card, motherboard wise I will have to go to my computer and check but I want to say they where both ASUS
but with the 760k he is already breaking the budget I'm only saying the 4300 is 100 because it is bound to go down to the or lower I have seen it do it plenty of times. FYI the 9800 gt is a 1gb card, motherboard wise I will have to go to my computer and check but I want to say they where both ASUS
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 6:34:17 AM
the motherborad for the fm2 platform is actually a msi but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
for the AM3 platform http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... so actually they are both MSI but still that am3 has a great deal so the sooner the better
im leaning toward am3 but the 760k is already over budge but getting that motherboard at that deal might put me back in budget
for the AM3 platform http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... so actually they are both MSI but still that am3 has a great deal so the sooner the better
im leaning toward am3 but the 760k is already over budge but getting that motherboard at that deal might put me back in budget
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I'm not sure I would attempt overclocking on those boards. Their voltage regulator modules (VRM), in addition to not being heat-sinked, lack a decent amount of phases.
These two (FM2) boards have 6+2 phases, with heatsinks on them:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I, uh, can't find similarly pricely AM3+ motherboards that don't have beyond 4 phases.
These two (FM2) boards have 6+2 phases, with heatsinks on them:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I, uh, can't find similarly pricely AM3+ motherboards that don't have beyond 4 phases.
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 10:10:37 AM
Calculatron said:
I'm not sure I would attempt overclocking on those boards. Their voltage regulator modules (VRM), in addition to not being heat-sinked, lack a decent amount of phases.These two (FM2) boards have 6+2 phases, with heatsinks on them:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I, uh, can't find similarly pricely AM3+ motherboards that don't have beyond 4 phases.
Just got done reading the reviews on the AM3 motherboard and wow almost all of them said the VRM heatsink was crap and not good at all for overcocking, I like that other MSI you listed but still i need to figure out what CPU first.
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 10:12:39 AM
MrAcd
November 23, 2013 10:14:32 AM
CTurbo said:
He said don't recommend the FX 6300 so.................. how about a FX 8320? hehe jkThe Athlon x4 750k/760k would be fine with an old 9800gt. They're cheaper than the FX 4300, and if budget is concern, they would be fine.
I agree though that an A10 with fast RAM would be better.
He will upgrade the GPU later so no concerns? but for a 12 year old kid does he need the extra 10$ performance for his budget?
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 10:32:06 AM
the difference between the two lies within their overclockability, other than that you can't notice any difference between two, I would personally go with fx 4300 in memory intensive programs it is 8% faster x4-760k, also you can easily overclock it and make it go to the place, x4-760k can't really go, but if you are really limited, both are sort of the same, single threaded or multi-threaded, I also found this http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-4300-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-76... this link confirms my saying, but look at that physics score difference
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 1:35:21 PM
heres best bet,
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CPU: AMD FX-4130 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
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MrAcd
November 23, 2013 4:08:54 PM
MrAcd
November 23, 2013 8:46:44 PM
iceclock said:
the 4130 is fine sir. and i got him whats in his budget
nah i would rather choose the 760k over that but this is still a hard choose i got some saying 760k and some a 4300, im thinking the 4300 but fm2 is more future proof, and i think the 4300 has more overclcoking room i might i only go to like 4.4ghz MAX.
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But the 760k can overclock too. Maybe not quite as high as the 4300, but close. We know the 4300 can hit 5.0ghz with the right cooler, but I know my A10 6800k can hit 4.7ghz EASILY so 5.0ghz shouldn't be unreasonable for the 760k since it's pretty much based off of my A10. I wouldn't be surprised if my A10 could hit 5.0. I've seen some go that high.
The 760k is hands down better than the 4130. Do not get a 4130 ever.
Really, the overall performance between the 4300 and 760k should be near identical. The 4300's only advantage is L3 cache. The 760k's biggest advantage is price, but I like the fm2 motherboards better than the Am3+ motherboards. Plus, you could get the newest fm2+ motherboard and upgrade to Kaveri next year. The 760k will fit into the fm2+ motherboard(that's where my A10 is).
The 760k is hands down better than the 4130. Do not get a 4130 ever.
Really, the overall performance between the 4300 and 760k should be near identical. The 4300's only advantage is L3 cache. The 760k's biggest advantage is price, but I like the fm2 motherboards better than the Am3+ motherboards. Plus, you could get the newest fm2+ motherboard and upgrade to Kaveri next year. The 760k will fit into the fm2+ motherboard(that's where my A10 is).
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MrAcd
November 24, 2013 6:13:17 AM
iceclock said:
the 4130 is fine sir. and i got him whats in his budget
CTurbo said:
But the 760k can overclock too. Maybe not quite as high as the 4300, but close. We know the 4300 can hit 5.0ghz with the right cooler, but I know my A10 6800k can hit 4.7ghz EASILY so 5.0ghz shouldn't be unreasonable for the 760k since it's pretty much based off of my A10. I wouldn't be surprised if my A10 could hit 5.0. I've seen some go that high. The 760k is hands down better than the 4130. Do not get a 4130 ever.
Really, the overall performance between the 4300 and 760k should be near identical. The 4300's only advantage is L3 cache. The 760k's biggest advantage is price, but I like the fm2 motherboards better than the Am3+ motherboards. Plus, you could get the newest fm2+ motherboard and upgrade to Kaveri next year. The 760k will fit into the fm2+ motherboard(that's where my A10 is).
dang my a10 at 4.4ghz maxed at 1.48v haha, but he will not upgrade the cpu ANYtime soon so the next architecture will be out by the time he upgrades, so for 10$ more would you choose the 4300 for L3 Cache, you have to keep in mind that this is for my little 12yr old brother that has no income on a REALLY low budget, so would it be worth it for him to spend the money on the L3 cache?If it is worth it then he will have to get a cheaper motherboard if he can live without it then he could put 10$ more toward a motherboard.So yeah thats the finally question, Does he need to pay 10$ more for l3 cache on a 12Yr old budget?
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No. I would go for what's cheaper in your situation. fm2 motherboards have better features for the price than am3+ motherboards also.
What cooler and motherboard do you have for your A10? I have a Gigabyte A88Xm motherboard and a Cooler Master TX3 cooler, and my 6800k is at 4.7 x4 at only 1.32v. I have not tried to go any further. I have heard the 5800ks didn't have much headroom, but the 6800ks can hit 5.0 with good cooling.
What cooler and motherboard do you have for your A10? I have a Gigabyte A88Xm motherboard and a Cooler Master TX3 cooler, and my 6800k is at 4.7 x4 at only 1.32v. I have not tried to go any further. I have heard the 5800ks didn't have much headroom, but the 6800ks can hit 5.0 with good cooling.
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MrAcd
November 24, 2013 6:27:21 AM
CTurbo said:
No. I would go for what's cheaper in your situation. fm2 motherboards have better features for the price than am3+ motherboards also. What cooler and motherboard do you have for your A10? I have a Gigabyte A88Xm motherboard and a Cooler Master TX3 cooler, and my 6800k is at 4.7 x4 at only 1.32v. I have not tried to go any further. I have heard the 5800ks didn't have much headroom, but the 6800ks can hit 5.0 with good cooling.
So you are saying that the l3 cache isnt worth it? and the 760k is the way to go?
I have a corsair h50 liquid cooler temps are great running idle 32c and 47c gaming, my motherboard is a Asrcok Fm2a75-pro4, thats a HUGE difference 4.7 at 1.32 and mine is 4.4ghz at 1.48v maybe i just got a bad one of the bunch
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Fredrik Aldhagen
November 24, 2013 10:06:37 AM
Fredrik Aldhagen said:
iceclock said:
the 4130 is fine sir. and i got him whats in his budget
FX4130 is Bulldozer, with the poor single-thread performance associated with it.
fx 4130 is not fine!!! FX 4300 or 4350 for that budget, if you cant at least get fx 4300, don't buy anything please, save up a little bit, any alternative inferior to fx 4300 will lead to remorse
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MrAcd
November 24, 2013 8:28:58 PM
Darkresurrection said:
Fredrik Aldhagen said:
iceclock said:
the 4130 is fine sir. and i got him whats in his budget
FX4130 is Bulldozer, with the poor single-thread performance associated with it.
fx 4130 is not fine!!! FX 4300 or 4350 for that budget, if you cant at least get fx 4300, don't buy anything please, save up a little bit, any alternative inferior to fx 4300 will lead to remorse
why do you say save up i kinda think im going for the 760k because like the other dude said for 10$ on a LOW budget the L3 Cache isnt worth it.
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I would agree with cturbo, we also recently built an fm2+ 'budget' gaming pc with 760k + 260x, it goes just fine, we used a gigabyte a88x (full atx one), it has really good features, 6+2 phase (iirc) with heat sink on vrms for 65£. Sadly atm we're using stock cooler which is rubbish (they shouldnt bother imo its like a hoover and struggles at stock speeds lol) so have not played with oc. The main point of this build was spend as little as possible but leave some sort of upgrade path for next year.
Imo if you go 760k get fm2+ a88 chipset.
Imo if you go 760k get fm2+ a88 chipset.
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MrAcd
November 25, 2013 6:40:58 AM
Thanks for the input man, he will NOT be upgrading anytime soon, that's why this such a big decision. I think cturbo made my choice that I don't need to pay 10$ for the l3 cache, but next time he plans to upgrade he will need a new motherboard for the new CPUs, so unless you know the 6300 comes down to 100$ I think I could squeeze in the extra for it but other than that I think I want the 760k and I was also thinking the r9 260 how are fps? On say bf4 or games in general? And what do you all think of this motherboard?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... somebody here picked It out because of the 6 + 2 phase? One last thing if the 6300 goes a all time low what mother board not exceeding 70$ would you pick? Btw thanks everybody for the input all help out
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... somebody here picked It out because of the 6 + 2 phase? One last thing if the 6300 goes a all time low what mother board not exceeding 70$ would you pick? Btw thanks everybody for the input all help out
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($54.98 @ SuperBiiz)
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Fredrik Aldhagen
November 25, 2013 8:33:32 AM
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CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A55BM-A/USB3 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($70.00 @ NCIX US)
Total: $149.99
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I downgraded the 760K to a 750K for a difference of $10, so if you're set on the 760K, you only have to add that much more. Meanwhile, you have a working solution that's within budget.
The motherboard isn't meant for overclocking, but it's Asus and it is FM2+ socket, so it will be good for the new generation of processors that are coming out early next year.
At this point I'd like to point this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
For the games they tested, the 750K and the FX-6300 really didn't perform too much differently. Far Cry 3 saw an 11% increase in performance, but the rest of the gains in performance are measured in the single digits. So this set-up will still hold-out fairly well until they start making games that are truly optimization for parallelism in multi-core processing.
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A55BM-A/USB3 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($70.00 @ NCIX US)
Total: $149.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I downgraded the 760K to a 750K for a difference of $10, so if you're set on the 760K, you only have to add that much more. Meanwhile, you have a working solution that's within budget.
The motherboard isn't meant for overclocking, but it's Asus and it is FM2+ socket, so it will be good for the new generation of processors that are coming out early next year.
At this point I'd like to point this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
For the games they tested, the 750K and the FX-6300 really didn't perform too much differently. Far Cry 3 saw an 11% increase in performance, but the rest of the gains in performance are measured in the single digits. So this set-up will still hold-out fairly well until they start making games that are truly optimization for parallelism in multi-core processing.
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I'm not saying pick the 750k over the 760k, I'm saying, for the budget, it works, and it won't be the end of the world if he buys it. It'll do the job perfectly fine, and give him plenty of staying power until he feels the need to upgrade to a newer generation architecture.
The 760K is Richland-based, and does have 400mhz base clock increase of it; you probably can overclock it more (than the other processor) as well... but a budget is a budget. I realize he said he probably won't be buying anything anytime soon, but, it's nice to throw out viable options.
The 760K is Richland-based, and does have 400mhz base clock increase of it; you probably can overclock it more (than the other processor) as well... but a budget is a budget. I realize he said he probably won't be buying anything anytime soon, but, it's nice to throw out viable options.
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MrAcd
November 25, 2013 10:54:05 AM
CHECK THIS OUT! ok o the reason the budget being so low is because like i said already he is 12 but because he has to buy a new sata HDD being his old one is still on IDE, i just got done talking to him and he said he isnt even sure he wants to OC because he looked at the outcomes, and im not sure he will be buying another cooler so it looks like he might not be doing any OCing at all maybe if he does it will be a .2gzh OC which i would think any motherboard could do, well i was thinking he wanted to OC so i was looking for a AM3+ 970chipset motherboard if he did go AM3+, now that he barely wants to OC any i dont have to worry about the phases and chipset all that much, and he doesnt care about how fast his HDD is he says he is happy with IDE speeds at the moment.
so i put together this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Get him this It has a IDE slot still, so now that he doesnt have to get a HDD being he has more room for a better CPU cough cough the 6300, if he is fine with the IDE speeds then so be it, and if anything it has SATA ports for the future, the 760g is my only concern but i figured he doesnt care about features or anything and barely or might not even decided to OC the 760g chipset is fine and i read the reviews and people say with a small OC like that the VRMs still stay cool.
SOOOO now its looking like i can get him that Motherboard and a 6300 and maybe oc it to 3.8ghz and be fine?
What does everybody think about this?
so i put together this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Get him this It has a IDE slot still, so now that he doesnt have to get a HDD being he has more room for a better CPU cough cough the 6300, if he is fine with the IDE speeds then so be it, and if anything it has SATA ports for the future, the 760g is my only concern but i figured he doesnt care about features or anything and barely or might not even decided to OC the 760g chipset is fine and i read the reviews and people say with a small OC like that the VRMs still stay cool.
SOOOO now its looking like i can get him that Motherboard and a 6300 and maybe oc it to 3.8ghz and be fine?
What does everybody think about this?
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November 25, 2013 11:10:15 AM
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