Phenom II x6 1090T bottlenecks R9 270X on Battlefield 4?

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So i had an old Radeon HD 6970, and just bought a new MSI R9 270X HAWK. I'm using this card with a Phenom II X6 1090T, 8 gigs (2x4) of Corsair Vengeance RAM (1600MHz), all in a Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3 (rev. 1.4) motherboard, powered by a Corsair GS 600W PSU. Game runs like hell, for example in Flood zone there's almost no difference between preset settings, on auto (high) the game runs around 30-40 fps most of the time(almost on every map). On Zavod 311 even on low the fps dancing around 35. All of this values is at fullHD resolution., with the latest AMD Beta Driver.
Is there anything i can do about this? I'm already planning to buy a new Win 8.1 to give it a try.

P.S.: I just noticed that Battlefield 3's Auto settings changed to Medium with the new VGA, while with the old VGA the game's auto settings was High with Ultra textures, and in Far Cry 3, the old VGA's auto settings was high/medium, while the new VGA's auto settings is all low. But in the meantime Crysis 2 and Far Cry 3 got a boost in FPS even on higher settings than before. Also BF3's GPU usage sometimes at around 50-60% with 35-40 fps on Strike at Karkand map while the CPU had 4 cores at around 80% and 2 more cores around 60%.
 
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Hi
I have run comparison b/w Win 7 Ultimate and Win 8.0 over one and the same system- i have not seen any better .... even the Win 7 was few steps in front ...
I don`t expect 8.1 do more than Win 7 or Win 8.0

I`ll go for something very different :
Download Passmark 8.0 - http://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm
You can use it free till the trial go off
Make full test of you system and save the result as Base Line file
Upload it to any place you want and share an link
Any one that have Passmark can use you Base Line file to compare it`s own system with you`rs and i can look where is you bottleneck in details
You can actually do it you self - you can brows and load simmilar to you`rs system results and you can compare you system performance by components and overall .....
 
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It doesn't bottleneck a 290x so it wont bottleneck a 270x
 
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I`m having my suspect now but can you send me you PassMark Score file not the Web Results ( like my sign here ).
I need the file - example.ptx - to be more detailed
EDIT : i found it on-line :)
gimme some time i`ll have an look

 
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http://imgur.com/6Pac5Nn -> This is the average GPU usage during a 48 player Siege of Shanghai conquest round (with all settings on high, with v-sync off, HBAO, 1080p, weapon DOF on, 100% Motion Blur), not much to say, i'm really confused about these numbers. :/

edit: http://imgur.com/telKc6J this is the total hardware usage under Battlefield 4, on the same settings, 64 player Lancang Dam map. Framtime and FPS values remained at zero (actual ingame fps between 30-80,lol?) so i just cut them from the picture.
 
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OK here we go :)

Dude you`r really need to throw away this HDD you have :)

I think you`r bottleneck is from 2 reasons :
- you have only 1 hdd
- you have 8189 MB pagefile

in details :

You`v play BF4 multyplayer on-line right ?
I think you HDD is not delivering the needed stream that`s why you lac performance
The fact that you CPU cores are not hitting 100% constant is showing that is not CPU that hold you down.

1. Reason ONE - only one HDD
- when you`r using one HDD it must do ALL the work for OS data Read/Write , The Game R/W and on top of all 6270 GB paging when you game - from you last picture post
Using the system like that you hit the WORST parameter of the HDD - random R/W
If you`r having second drive to hold you game data this will improve the situation a bit ...... but in this scenario you HDD do all the job including R/W all Level data that you have untill you play on-line
On-line games are more greedy for HDD R/W performance

now :
- comparing you Samsung HD154UI with my old Rig Passmark score you have :
Samsung HD154UI - 599 score
vs
Seagate ST350041 - 741 score

you have OLD SATA2 3.0 Gbit/s drive that is low 5400 RPM
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=663&pgno=2

the Seagate ST350041 is also SATA2 3.0 Gbit/s but it have more score cause of 7200 RPM and is not tested in single drive scenario
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-7200RPM-Internal-ST3500418AS-Bare/product-reviews/B001VKYA5E?pageNumber=7

2. Reason TWO - paging is like anchor for HDD .......
My understanding for Gaming Rig is the one with min. 4 GB RAM and this how you can TURN OFF PAGING on you system - you gain some extra stream to you CPU & GPU
- you have 8 GB of RAM and 8189 Page file ....
- this lead me to conclusion you have you system on Auto paging

How to fix all this :
- first you need to turn off you Paging
- go to System Prperties > Advanced System Settings > Advanced Tab > Settings Tab > Advanced Tab > Change
- unmark Automatic manage Paging
- mark No paging file

OK > Ok > Restart > Ok
- after you log in again go back to the same window to check you settings are fine

Now you just got 8 GB more in you C: drive :)

Close all process you don`t need - torrents , and other programs you don`t use till you game
If you have any AntiVirus software start it in Game mode for the test.
Test you performance

If you DON`T see any improvements you need to add second drive to test this
The second drive will hold you Games Data - install the games on that drive
Or it`s better to take one with 7200 RPM and just install the OS over that one
The Game data can be used from this Samsung HD154UI that you have now.

Test this and i`m waiting you replay !
 
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I just did the paging thing, nothing happened. At the moment i don't have budget for a new HDD or SSD so simply i can't affor a new one. But i'm planning to buy a new hdd, and SSD, new mobo and a better CPU. In the meantime I'll try to contact AMD, DICE, and MSI if any of the comapnies have something useful to say about this. Also i noticed that im suffering from another issue, the "screen flickering" in web browsing or in Bf4 loading screen and this problem is not so rare as i see many threads on MSI forums about it.
 
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Dude i did`t sad to buy one .....
Find one for testing - friend or something ....
There is somthing fisshi with you system .....
I will not blame the manifacturres at the first place ....

Just delete you OS .....
Make a clean OS Setup
Add all needed drivers
If you can find second drive to test .....
If you like run Crystal Diskmark - on idle and under BF4 running
I still believe this is fixable ....

And what you mean " nothing happend " it must happen anything .... bad or good result ...... but nothing ...
 
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I can add my 2 cents since (cents, since haha) I actually have this same CPU and a Radeon 7950 which has similar performance to the 270x. I'm running my 1090t at 4.0ghz and I get bottlednecked in BF4 quite frequently. In BF3 this processor at 3.6ghz would keep me GPU pegged at 99% about 95% of the time.

On maps like Siege of Shanghai I can visible see a change in the fluidity at certain locations and then put my CPU/GPU usage overlay up and see that my GPU usage is in the 70's while my CPU usage oscillates between 75%-85%. I think that's close enough to 100% usage to deduce that the CPU is responsible for the slowdowns in those locations where there's a lot of floating dust and debris.

My frames aren't as bad yours (do you have the most recent AMD beta drivers?), but I do drop to the low 40's at points when there is a lot of particles in the air, which I assume are creating physics calculations nightmares for my CPU. My CPU passmark score is 7700 and I pulls 6600 3DMark11 physics score. In spots where the CPU isn't a bottleneck I have no problem running 60+ in Ultra with MSAA off.

I'm upgrading to an 8350, which has shown to significantly reduce the bottlenecking and I anticipate that Mantle will further reduce my CPU overhead when it's released.

Specs:
Phenom II X6 1090t @6x4.0
Powercolor 7950 @ 1100/1400
8gb GSkill 1600mhz RAM
1080p Monitor
OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (just runs OS)
WD 7200rpm Blue drive (has BF4 and page file loaded)
 
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Nothing happened with disabling the autopaging, same performance same benchmakr results same FPS and usages in games. I'll make a full OS reinstall, cleaning up all the files from the HDD, and try to overclock CPU a bit and waiting for AMD's reply because they said that this could be driver related issue (as well as hardware :/ ).
My CPU passmark score with stock clocks was 5800, but i'm planning a CPU upgrade in the near future, but not sure if go for a motherboard with good OC potentional, and buy a new AMD high-end CPU (one of the better 8core CPUs) and OC it, or just buy a normal mobo for an intel i7 4770k, because the biggest advantage of the AMD upgrade is, that I can buy a good mobo and OC the current CPU to 4GHz, and than upgrade the CPU later, while with Intel, i have to buy the 2 together. Also, I'm going to buy a better HDD and an SSD later on in the next year, when prices drop down.
 
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Im also interested in this as i also have a 1090t although mine is clocked at 4ghz. I have 6870s in crossfire and I also get pegged at medium settings as default settings. I just ordered a 270x gigabyte windforce so I was hoping that i could spit out at least high or ultra settings but if it stays the same ill just return it i dont plan to upgrade until haswell e platform unless this new fm2+ processor is actually half decent. I do to much video editing to be tied down i almost pulled the trigger on a 4770k but decided to give this a try first before i jump the boat.
 
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Remember guys read the recommended specs it say 3gb vram if u dont have 3gb lower thr resolution to like 1366 or lower if u wanna play like on ultra you have to do a equivalent exchange enjoy I can't tell the difference between 1080 and 720
 
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