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iscrewupbigtime
November 23, 2013 8:14:12 AM
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber monday
If I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
If I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
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November 23, 2013 8:24:03 AM
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November 23, 2013 8:26:23 AM
I would still recommend a r9 290 or 290x more than sli.. believe me sli is useful only when you have more than 1 monitor.
it should still give you better fps but will sometimes annoy you with stutter lag and high kw/h drain.
but if you can't sell the 770 at almost same price you bought it then sli is still the better option
it should still give you better fps but will sometimes annoy you with stutter lag and high kw/h drain.
but if you can't sell the 770 at almost same price you bought it then sli is still the better option
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iscrewupbigtime
November 23, 2013 8:31:15 AM
Sayken
November 23, 2013 8:36:28 AM
Sovelin
December 3, 2013 7:55:40 PM
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
You don't even need to SLI. I just got my 27Q monitor (loving it) and am playing bf4 maxed out. I have a single 770 (2gb) at stock speeds, and an i5-2500k running at 4ghz. I have not had any lag whatsoever.
The only setting I can't mess with is the rez scale. If I bump it to 125% I start to notice lag. I will consider OC'ing my card and dropping AA to see if I can increase this setting. But a single 770 is fine for 1440p, and you can still max out games.
I'm not sure why ppl are claiming different on a lot of forums.
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determinologyz
December 3, 2013 11:32:31 PM
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
Sovelin said:
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
You don't even need to SLI. I just got my 27Q monitor (loving it) and am playing bf4 maxed out. I have a single 770 (2gb) at stock speeds, and an i5-2500k running at 4ghz. I have not had any lag whatsoever.
The only setting I can't mess with is the rez scale. If I bump it to 125% I start to notice lag. I will consider OC'ing my card and dropping AA to see if I can increase this setting. But a single 770 is fine for 1440p, and you can still max out games.
I'm not sure why ppl are claiming different on a lot of forums.
People say you dont need sli at 1440P LOL yea thats if you wanna cut down settings to game at 60fps
Fact is bro go for the 2nd gtx 770 your pretty much getting higher then 2 680s in performance and at 1440p res the second gpu comes in handy exp for battlefield 4
It would NOT make sense to get a amd card thats going to be lower performance when you already own a gtx 770 and crossfire is broken so i wouldnt even recommend it..I mean it works but i think you will be more impressed with nvidia/sli
As far as your psu it would work but your cutting it close..You need atleast 850w i mean you cutting it close at 750w exp if your overclocking or dont have alot of head room
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
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Sayken
December 5, 2013 5:53:19 AM
determinologyz said:
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
Sovelin said:
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
You don't even need to SLI. I just got my 27Q monitor (loving it) and am playing bf4 maxed out. I have a single 770 (2gb) at stock speeds, and an i5-2500k running at 4ghz. I have not had any lag whatsoever.
The only setting I can't mess with is the rez scale. If I bump it to 125% I start to notice lag. I will consider OC'ing my card and dropping AA to see if I can increase this setting. But a single 770 is fine for 1440p, and you can still max out games.
I'm not sure why ppl are claiming different on a lot of forums.
People say you dont need sli at 1440P LOL yea thats if you wanna cut down settings to game at 60fps
Fact is bro go for the 2nd gtx 770 your pretty much getting higher then 2 680s in performance and at 1440p res the second gpu comes in handy exp for battlefield 4
It would NOT make sense to get a amd card thats going to be lower performance when you already own a gtx 770 and crossfire is broken so i wouldnt even recommend it..I mean it works but i think you will be more impressed with nvidia/sli
As far as your psu it would work but your cutting it close..You need atleast 850w i mean you cutting it close at 750w exp if your overclocking or dont have alot of head room
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
how about you prove your theory
it makes no sense actually
a r9 290x is not a weak card first and dual card option will help only on more monitors.
I am not saying sli is bad option, sli is for the best if you can't sell your 770 at huge price.
but 2x gtx 770 won't bring you more performance than a r9 290x (not in real life not will you realize it with your human eyes)
determin did you even check the specs of r9 290x or see it run yourself? ................
both options will be a nice upgrade so go for which comes as the cheapest !
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determinologyz
December 5, 2013 6:00:53 AM
Sayken said:
determinologyz said:
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
Sovelin said:
iscrewupbigtime said:
Hello. I have a msi gtx 770 lightning And I'm thinking about getting a second one on black Friday/cyber mondayIf I sli the 2 770s 2gb will I be able to max bf4 on a 1440p monitor.
But also, if I decided to go for the second 770 I have to upgrade my psu. 750w atm
Would it be a better idea to just get a r9 290x/r9 290?
You don't even need to SLI. I just got my 27Q monitor (loving it) and am playing bf4 maxed out. I have a single 770 (2gb) at stock speeds, and an i5-2500k running at 4ghz. I have not had any lag whatsoever.
The only setting I can't mess with is the rez scale. If I bump it to 125% I start to notice lag. I will consider OC'ing my card and dropping AA to see if I can increase this setting. But a single 770 is fine for 1440p, and you can still max out games.
I'm not sure why ppl are claiming different on a lot of forums.
People say you dont need sli at 1440P LOL yea thats if you wanna cut down settings to game at 60fps
Fact is bro go for the 2nd gtx 770 your pretty much getting higher then 2 680s in performance and at 1440p res the second gpu comes in handy exp for battlefield 4
It would NOT make sense to get a amd card thats going to be lower performance when you already own a gtx 770 and crossfire is broken so i wouldnt even recommend it..I mean it works but i think you will be more impressed with nvidia/sli
As far as your psu it would work but your cutting it close..You need atleast 850w i mean you cutting it close at 750w exp if your overclocking or dont have alot of head room
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
how about you prove your theory
it makes no sense actually
a r9 290x is not a weak card first and dual card option will help only on more monitors.
I am not saying sli is bad option, sli is for the best if you can't sell your 770 at huge price.
but 2x gtx 770 won't bring you more performance than a r9 290x (not in real life not will you realize it with your human eyes)
both options will be a nice upgrade so go for which comes as the cheapest !
Keywords "he already owns a 770" maybe you missed the point
It makes no sense if you already own a sick gpu to get a r9 290x when you can go sli and be done with it. I can vouch 2 770s in sli at 1440p is WAY more then enough and i did have experience with those 2 gpus as well.
He could get a r9 290x but i dont think its a wise decision now if he didnt own a gpu then yea i would say pick between the 2
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Sayken
December 5, 2013 7:17:40 AM
I am not saying sli is bad option, sli is for the best if you can't sell your 770 at huge price.
he can sell the gtx 770 you know? ( if he can't get a good price (maybe he knows people who want to buy that you know?) then SLI IS FOR THE BEST !)
or he could use the 770 on other pc / or make a new one for tv (just an idea)
anyway r9 290x if he can sell 770 at nice price or
2x sli 770 (as the best option)
his choice / I am only just suggesting
and 2x 770 won't offer you better performance than a r9 290 on a single monitor at 1440p (maybe on higher resolution though I doubt it)
he can sell the gtx 770 you know? ( if he can't get a good price (maybe he knows people who want to buy that you know?) then SLI IS FOR THE BEST !)
or he could use the 770 on other pc / or make a new one for tv (just an idea)
anyway r9 290x if he can sell 770 at nice price or
2x sli 770 (as the best option)
his choice / I am only just suggesting
and 2x 770 won't offer you better performance than a r9 290 on a single monitor at 1440p (maybe on higher resolution though I doubt it)
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Mainbear
December 21, 2013 2:56:01 AM
You should SLI the 770. The pair will absolutely wreck the 290x. Here's my 3D Mark 11 score: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7329721
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wolfdogKC
December 27, 2013 12:28:52 PM
Sayken said:
read better then write ...and 2x 770 won't offer you better performance than a r9 290 on a single monitor at 1440p (maybe on higher resolution though I doubt it)
This is terribly wrong... So were all of the other posts about SLI only benefiting multiple monitor setups. I use 2 GTX 770s to game at 1080p at 120hz and need every bit of both cards to maintain high framerates (75-110) when playing BF4 multiplayer. Please, please, please - if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't be giving other people advice.
That being said, hope you went with the second 770 - best option IMO.
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Sayken
December 27, 2013 2:26:17 PM
first give a proof when you tell someone he has no clue what he talks about. in mostly games 2x 770 won't offer better performance than a r9 290 or gtx 780. having a clue is not really having any influence on real performance or what the eye can see. his option was the second 770 cause he already has one. I never said 2 770 are same as 1 on 1 monitor. what comes after would be a rip off (sli 780 or 780 ti). here is not about having a clue is about some who don't even know to read... and owning 2 770 ain't making you know how they perform to 1 780 or 290 in comparison does it. and I didn't mention all games. before you launch the attack reread what you missed.. btw the bits won't double cause you have sli O.O same as vram story
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wolfdogKC
December 28, 2013 8:31:12 PM
Sayken said:
first give a proof when you tell someone he has no clue what he talks about. in mostly games 2x 770 won't offer better performance than a r9 290 or gtx 780. having a clue is not really having any influence on real performance or what the eye can see. his option was the second 770 cause he already has one. I never said 2 770 are same as 1 on 1 monitor. what comes after would be a rip off (sli 780 or 780 ti). here is not about having a clue is about some who don't even know to read... and owning 2 770 ain't making you know how they perform to 1 780 or 290 in comparison does it. and I didn't mention all games. before you launch the attack reread what you missed.. btw the bits won't double cause you have sli O.O same as vram story2x 770s blows away a single 780 and 290 - in every game tested. Take a look at the chart bud. I used to have a single 780 and sold it to grab a couple 770s on sale. Performance is night and day different. Getting about 40 more FPS in BF4. Again, please stop giving people advice if you have no idea what you are talking about.
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-revi...
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Sayken
December 28, 2013 11:32:47 PM
first you really need to learn to read and stop insulting when as I see your clue is worser than mine. I didn't mention all games nor bf cause I never played those.
we take for example games like crysis, skyrim, gothic, grid and mmorpgs... a gtx 780 which offers almost same performance as r9 290 will manage a minimum of 60 fps at 1080 p ultra even max(except some worser cases). while sli will offer few more fps (20-28 maximum) which your eyes can't tell apart just idiots who look at numbers you forget the high kw drain and micro stuttering and heating problems a damn sli even offers. if he could sell at damn high price the 770 that's why I mentioned up there he could get 780 which he could sli in future when needed rather than getting stuck with 2 upgraded 680 (770) which will drop in price. but that only if he could sell it. given the fact that well I never seen a 780 drop under 60 fps the higher fps over 60 at that resolution on 1 monitor won't change the pixels clarity or colour any more for you, so you won't see even a slight difference. don't beg me please. if the op replies that my advice is crap then I will think again but not just cause some nobody tells me. personally sli without water cooling can be a horror and having 100 non sense fps at unplayable gameplay with stutter and lag pls. and this market strategy.. I've never seen the 770 sli manage over 95 fps but well there may be cases and some games where sli can crush a single card I never said that all times sli is crap. if more people disagree I will make a video with both setups so I don't get insults like bread (don't need them you know ;D) and wolf even now you didn't learn to read I even mentioned there not all games ... after all I only shared my experience. if he mentioned the games I wouldn't bother complaining now with some freak who thinks atacking works better without thinking.
we take for example games like crysis, skyrim, gothic, grid and mmorpgs... a gtx 780 which offers almost same performance as r9 290 will manage a minimum of 60 fps at 1080 p ultra even max(except some worser cases). while sli will offer few more fps (20-28 maximum) which your eyes can't tell apart just idiots who look at numbers you forget the high kw drain and micro stuttering and heating problems a damn sli even offers. if he could sell at damn high price the 770 that's why I mentioned up there he could get 780 which he could sli in future when needed rather than getting stuck with 2 upgraded 680 (770) which will drop in price. but that only if he could sell it. given the fact that well I never seen a 780 drop under 60 fps the higher fps over 60 at that resolution on 1 monitor won't change the pixels clarity or colour any more for you, so you won't see even a slight difference. don't beg me please. if the op replies that my advice is crap then I will think again but not just cause some nobody tells me. personally sli without water cooling can be a horror and having 100 non sense fps at unplayable gameplay with stutter and lag pls. and this market strategy.. I've never seen the 770 sli manage over 95 fps but well there may be cases and some games where sli can crush a single card I never said that all times sli is crap. if more people disagree I will make a video with both setups so I don't get insults like bread (don't need them you know ;D) and wolf even now you didn't learn to read I even mentioned there not all games ... after all I only shared my experience. if he mentioned the games I wouldn't bother complaining now with some freak who thinks atacking works better without thinking.
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wolfdogKC
December 30, 2013 12:03:30 PM
Sayken
December 30, 2013 1:31:16 PM
your provided link was about a few games favoring sli option not all of them in the world.
nop you didn't read at all whatsoever.
I am a troll? thank you think I care about your stupid personal affair?
one thing:
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1824&gid2=...
11 procent technicaly difference which won't amount to a difference higher than 5 procent in real time performance (only in games with sli favouring)
sli 780 is worser than sli 770?is this trol?
google:
" The GTX 770 was released less than a year after the GTX 780, and so they are likely to have similar driver support for optimizing performance when running the latest games.
Pair of gtx 770 and gtx 780 both exhibit very powerful performance, so it probably isn't worth upgrading from one to the other, as both are capable of running even the most demanding games at the highest settings."
google more and you will find that sli won't bring you better vram or bit. is not a+b=c so please.
there are videos as well on youtube where gtx 780 surpasses the 770 pair and viceversa.
it's all about the game.
and not all benchmarks will give you 100 procent reality.
btw did you even read final thoughts and conclusion from your own link? =)))
and gtx 780 costs 90€ more here so going for sli later is not a bad option either.
gtx 770 sli is a good option too.
but you need more kw drain, good cooling etc for sli.
if you want to believe I am only writting crap so be it, go start your fights somewhere else this forum is for helping.
if you even checked the date is logical op already made his choice with christmas offers and lower prices.
whatsoever look complain what you want you are just wasting my time so I am done with you.
and make own thread or pm don't make op post into your circus.
no one forced you to trust what you don't want to.
nop you didn't read at all whatsoever.
I am a troll? thank you think I care about your stupid personal affair?
one thing:
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1824&gid2=...
11 procent technicaly difference which won't amount to a difference higher than 5 procent in real time performance (only in games with sli favouring)
sli 780 is worser than sli 770?is this trol?
google:
" The GTX 770 was released less than a year after the GTX 780, and so they are likely to have similar driver support for optimizing performance when running the latest games.
Pair of gtx 770 and gtx 780 both exhibit very powerful performance, so it probably isn't worth upgrading from one to the other, as both are capable of running even the most demanding games at the highest settings."
google more and you will find that sli won't bring you better vram or bit. is not a+b=c so please.
there are videos as well on youtube where gtx 780 surpasses the 770 pair and viceversa.
it's all about the game.
and not all benchmarks will give you 100 procent reality.
btw did you even read final thoughts and conclusion from your own link? =)))
and gtx 780 costs 90€ more here so going for sli later is not a bad option either.
gtx 770 sli is a good option too.
but you need more kw drain, good cooling etc for sli.
if you want to believe I am only writting crap so be it, go start your fights somewhere else this forum is for helping.
if you even checked the date is logical op already made his choice with christmas offers and lower prices.
whatsoever look complain what you want you are just wasting my time so I am done with you.
and make own thread or pm don't make op post into your circus.
no one forced you to trust what you don't want to.
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December 31, 2013 1:24:15 PM
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Sovelin
January 2, 2014 12:43:56 PM
determinologyz said:
People say you dont need sli at 1440P LOL yea thats if you wanna cut down settings to game at 60fps
You and many other people claim this, but most people I have spoken to made this claim based on numbers and no first hand experience. I have a 1440p monitor. I have a 2gb 770. I max out everything, occasionally turning off MSAA (not really needed at 1440p), and games are playable. Hell, those FPS numbers don't mean anything, and that is an easily proven fact. The only reason you know any FPS numbers is because you have a program displaying them to you. Turn that off and you won't even be able to tell the difference unless you are dropping below 30fps. I have 0 lag on BF4 online on ultra. I just beat Metro LL with all settings maxed (kept MSAA disabled because I couldn't see a difference with it on). There were only 2 instances in the game where there was any noticeable lag, and each instance lasted for less than 5 seconds. So no, you don't need to SLI. People want to because they think fps means something. FPS has only as much worth as you give it.
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wolfdogKC
January 2, 2014 6:32:25 PM
Sayken
January 14, 2014 5:05:11 AM
wolfdog I really wanna see you explain me the difference between 60fps and 100fps cause you really gave me the shock.
I can't for the life of me even understand how some people say waa don't buy that it gives you 80fps get this it gives you 110 and I am like WTF there is no difference after 60 fps for heaven sake 0. the difference lies only in the speed the bitrates, colours and pixels are changing themselves but no human has android eyes to even realize that at all on today monitors (I can say that for 100% for the monitors at prices up to 250€ I have no clue for the rest). the texture of the tree (for example) won't change. you will just see a brighter black but the other colours will remain the same.
is not like you see the image on the gpu. the images are displayed on the monitor. and no fricking monitor alive can make use of the extra performance given on the ratio über 60 fps.
and for the sake of it the nowadays monitors cannot even utilize the maximum power of a gtx 780 ti. they simply can not. sli does force them by sending more power and shock voltage but that ain't meaning you will see crystals shining.
maybe some monitors can but I bet they cost a fortune and are not sold in every shop.
though you may be right for future proof. who knows they might sell the better monitors at good prices in every shop in the future and the 100fps will be like wow compared to 60. well I myself (maybe only me) would choose to sli new gpus for that future proof not old upgraded ones.
120hz ain't that much anyways.
I would say sli any day 999% as a must if you were to game on a tv with 200hz or more and even 3d lol. lol 400hz that would be scary or gr4 ultraled projection.
well if you can explain that I will eat my words and go buy lotsa fricking books to start reading informations about pcs again lol.
few years ago I was playing on my laptop at like 33fps on low settings and I was damn happy lol. no lag in offline gameplay and barely any on online lolz.
no offence in this but I really am curious how you determine that difference (without looking at numbers from program (+1 sovelin)) cause it kills me. no matter how much time I waste looking at 70fps and 100fps on same monitor I cannot see a damn thing lol.
I can't for the life of me even understand how some people say waa don't buy that it gives you 80fps get this it gives you 110 and I am like WTF there is no difference after 60 fps for heaven sake 0. the difference lies only in the speed the bitrates, colours and pixels are changing themselves but no human has android eyes to even realize that at all on today monitors (I can say that for 100% for the monitors at prices up to 250€ I have no clue for the rest). the texture of the tree (for example) won't change. you will just see a brighter black but the other colours will remain the same.
is not like you see the image on the gpu. the images are displayed on the monitor. and no fricking monitor alive can make use of the extra performance given on the ratio über 60 fps.
and for the sake of it the nowadays monitors cannot even utilize the maximum power of a gtx 780 ti. they simply can not. sli does force them by sending more power and shock voltage but that ain't meaning you will see crystals shining.
maybe some monitors can but I bet they cost a fortune and are not sold in every shop.
though you may be right for future proof. who knows they might sell the better monitors at good prices in every shop in the future and the 100fps will be like wow compared to 60. well I myself (maybe only me) would choose to sli new gpus for that future proof not old upgraded ones.
120hz ain't that much anyways.
I would say sli any day 999% as a must if you were to game on a tv with 200hz or more and even 3d lol. lol 400hz that would be scary or gr4 ultraled projection.
well if you can explain that I will eat my words and go buy lotsa fricking books to start reading informations about pcs again lol.
few years ago I was playing on my laptop at like 33fps on low settings and I was damn happy lol. no lag in offline gameplay and barely any on online lolz.
no offence in this but I really am curious how you determine that difference (without looking at numbers from program (+1 sovelin)) cause it kills me. no matter how much time I waste looking at 70fps and 100fps on same monitor I cannot see a damn thing lol.
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January 14, 2014 1:44:26 PM
Have a read. The only way to really understand what I'm talking about is to buy a monitor that is 120hz and have enough hardware to push 90FPS or better. You just have to see for yourself...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/63373-3-60hz-120hz-ga...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/63373-3-60hz-120hz-ga...
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January 14, 2014 1:58:42 PM
I am using a 120hz monitor with a i7 4930k gtx 780 oced and a monitor of 60 hz with i5 4670k and crossfire r9 280x.
yes there is a difference between 60 and 120 hz but that up to 60 fps. 60 fps looks lot better on 120hz than 60hz but that's the limit. it won't get any better anymore....
there is no way to tell apart after that anymore. only if the program is defect and shows more fps than exist.
only way is to show the difference on two screenshots taken on exact 120hz same monitor at 60fps and 90fps example but I can't find a link with such proof.
with my knowledge and experiment yes the android tells the difference apart but not my eyes...
have any such link so I know where exactly to look on the monitor to see that difference?
yes there is a difference between 60 and 120 hz but that up to 60 fps. 60 fps looks lot better on 120hz than 60hz but that's the limit. it won't get any better anymore....
there is no way to tell apart after that anymore. only if the program is defect and shows more fps than exist.
only way is to show the difference on two screenshots taken on exact 120hz same monitor at 60fps and 90fps example but I can't find a link with such proof.
with my knowledge and experiment yes the android tells the difference apart but not my eyes...
have any such link so I know where exactly to look on the monitor to see that difference?
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January 14, 2014 2:08:00 PM
Here is another one. 86% of gamers preferred 120hz in a blind test.
http://techreport.com/news/25051/blind-test-suggests-ga...
http://techreport.com/news/25051/blind-test-suggests-ga...
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January 14, 2014 2:09:23 PM
Sayken
January 14, 2014 11:52:51 PM
indeed crossfire sends more power.
gave it a try and managed to see brighter colours at 72fps compared to 60. but that was the end.
maybe you are right. I guess that's the limit of my monitor then.
yet the difference was not so huge as from medium to ultra. any game is playable from 29fps without any laggs.
paying a lot more on electrical bills here where I live ain't really a good idea.
but well you may be right as long as super eye candy is concerned and with a better monitor than mine lol that would be the better idea.
only reason of crossfire is that I received the pair as birthday gift and didn't want to sell it right away as an ass lol. I used to game on the 7770 for lower power consumption lol and that looked good too.
gave it a try and managed to see brighter colours at 72fps compared to 60. but that was the end.
maybe you are right. I guess that's the limit of my monitor then.
yet the difference was not so huge as from medium to ultra. any game is playable from 29fps without any laggs.
paying a lot more on electrical bills here where I live ain't really a good idea.
but well you may be right as long as super eye candy is concerned and with a better monitor than mine lol that would be the better idea.
only reason of crossfire is that I received the pair as birthday gift and didn't want to sell it right away as an ass lol. I used to game on the 7770 for lower power consumption lol and that looked good too.
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January 30, 2014 4:24:39 AM
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wolfdog I really wanna see you explain me the difference between 60fps and 100fps cause you really gave me the shock.I can't for the life of me even understand how some people say waa don't buy that it gives you 80fps get this it gives you 110 and I am like WTF there is no difference after 60 fps for heaven sake 0. the difference lies only in the speed the bitrates, colours and pixels are changing themselves but no human has android eyes to even realize that at all on today monitors (I can say that for 100% for the monitors at prices up to 250€ I have no clue for the rest). the texture of the tree (for example) won't change. you will just see a brighter black but the other colours will remain the same.
is not like you see the image on the gpu. the images are displayed on the monitor. and no fricking monitor alive can make use of the extra performance given on the ratio über 60 fps.
and for the sake of it the nowadays monitors cannot even utilize the maximum power of a gtx 780 ti. they simply can not. sli does force them by sending more power and shock voltage but that ain't meaning you will see crystals shining.
maybe some monitors can but I bet they cost a fortune and are not sold in every shop.
though you may be right for future proof. who knows they might sell the better monitors at good prices in every shop in the future and the 100fps will be like wow compared to 60. well I myself (maybe only me) would choose to sli new gpus for that future proof not old upgraded ones.
120hz ain't that much anyways.
I would say sli any day 999% as a must if you were to game on a tv with 200hz or more and even 3d lol. lol 400hz that would be scary or gr4 ultraled projection.
well if you can explain that I will eat my words and go buy lotsa fricking books to start reading informations about pcs again lol.
few years ago I was playing on my laptop at like 33fps on low settings and I was damn happy lol. no lag in offline gameplay and barely any on online lolz.
no offence in this but I really am curious how you determine that difference (without looking at numbers from program (+1 sovelin)) cause it kills me. no matter how much time I waste looking at 70fps and 100fps on same monitor I cannot see a damn thing lol.
You chat a whole world of shit. I notice a massive difference between 60fps and 90-120fps. If you can't, congratulations, that must be great for you and your slow, sub-par eyes/brain. The fact that you are asking someone to 'explain you the difference between 60fps and 100fps' speaks volumes about how much crap you spew. They determine that difference by how smooth the image moves and transitions. End of.
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Sayken
January 30, 2014 1:55:11 PM
congratulations
indeed there is a difference between 60 and 90 fps but is so minimal that is not worth the extra huge money for sli.
well yes explain the difference without having a third party program showing numbers, where you are trying to justify huge numbers you don't even have a shit clue what they are or can't tell them apart. yes you can justify but not with insults and personal opinions. that's what facebook is for you know? so get lost there.
difference is smoother? starting with 50fps any game out there will be at it's maximum "smoothness". The rest are either problems with drivers or gpu itself.
yet again go post your personal opinions and insults which just demonstrate your own level of stupidity on facebook as long as you are not able to justify the shit you are spouting without a program showing you numbers.
and if your intentions are to advertise sli, crossfire or extremely priced gpus by telling people lies such as get that for new better experience (where even you don't know the shit you are spouting) then do it on nvidia/amd website!
and check the date of the thread first before you launch your crap.
wonder how they let you in with that name which as well demonstrates your own hatred level and brainless revenge on others for your own failures.
with this I am done and completely sick of creeps like you.
indeed there is a difference between 60 and 90 fps but is so minimal that is not worth the extra huge money for sli.
well yes explain the difference without having a third party program showing numbers, where you are trying to justify huge numbers you don't even have a shit clue what they are or can't tell them apart. yes you can justify but not with insults and personal opinions. that's what facebook is for you know? so get lost there.
difference is smoother? starting with 50fps any game out there will be at it's maximum "smoothness". The rest are either problems with drivers or gpu itself.
yet again go post your personal opinions and insults which just demonstrate your own level of stupidity on facebook as long as you are not able to justify the shit you are spouting without a program showing you numbers.
and if your intentions are to advertise sli, crossfire or extremely priced gpus by telling people lies such as get that for new better experience (where even you don't know the shit you are spouting) then do it on nvidia/amd website!
and check the date of the thread first before you launch your crap.
wonder how they let you in with that name which as well demonstrates your own hatred level and brainless revenge on others for your own failures.
with this I am done and completely sick of creeps like you.
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February 27, 2014 4:56:36 PM
Sayken
February 28, 2014 12:21:15 AM
hmm indeed.
btw he owns a psu of 750w. that's more than enough for sli gtx. tdp in wattage at overkill of both 770 is 403w.
any quality 700w can run sli 770 on his rig even with oc. 750w is the safer spot.
this is already end of february so I guess op has solved a lot since then.
urmm that thermaltake psu he owns is a tier 5 unit. he needs asap replacement no matter which gpu.
op here the psu list.
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
that psu is danger for your rig.
btw he owns a psu of 750w. that's more than enough for sli gtx. tdp in wattage at overkill of both 770 is 403w.
any quality 700w can run sli 770 on his rig even with oc. 750w is the safer spot.
this is already end of february so I guess op has solved a lot since then.
urmm that thermaltake psu he owns is a tier 5 unit. he needs asap replacement no matter which gpu.
op here the psu list.
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
that psu is danger for your rig.
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jtrdfw
April 16, 2014 7:09:53 AM
Since this comes up first in a Google search, I have to STRESS the fact that SLI (and crossfire to an extent, driver support still not up to speed as of this post) is virtually required to max out settings in 1440p for a game like BF4. The only single card options are outrageously expensive. It has nothing to do with having more than 1 monitor.
2 x 770's will do it. By that I mean 60+ fps and never dropping below at max settings (possibility of 2x msaa vs 4x), assuming your CPU can handle the online workload. 2 x 760's can get you most of the way, with some key settings off or lowered a bit (mesh quality, texture, msaa off, for BF4 specifically) for 64 player stuff involving a lot of the screen.
A QUALITY 750w is all you need. Seasonic internals (this includes XFX in general), Corsairs that aren't CX, etc. That includes CPU + GPU overclocking x 2.
2 x 770's will do it. By that I mean 60+ fps and never dropping below at max settings (possibility of 2x msaa vs 4x), assuming your CPU can handle the online workload. 2 x 760's can get you most of the way, with some key settings off or lowered a bit (mesh quality, texture, msaa off, for BF4 specifically) for 64 player stuff involving a lot of the screen.
A QUALITY 750w is all you need. Seasonic internals (this includes XFX in general), Corsairs that aren't CX, etc. That includes CPU + GPU overclocking x 2.
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as123
September 3, 2014 5:11:49 PM
as123
September 3, 2014 5:14:15 PM
Sayken
September 4, 2014 3:01:45 AM
well congratulations for the grudge reply ^^ . well now we are using animals based insults.. interesting and
(i expected an huge list of correction with explanation why i was wrong at that time but neh.. here comes another spam machine trying to act the cute troll). what you write has no value anyways, given your way of responding. honestly is not like i am here anymore to waste time with such trash . and please.. educate me? every individual learns from wherever /whomever and whatever he himself accepts as correct and wants to learn from (sometimes the truth and reality can be harsh and one may get it wrong indeed). and in all earnestly not from the likes of you ty ^^ . it is indeed true that no one is perfect and that maybe i might have made some horror mistakes, but not like i want to read it from cool wanna look nerds with close to nothing brains in their heads. this may look more like an dumb answer to a fight invitation but hey i don't sympathize with trash and nor do i have any obligation to accept their shit.. oh and yeah well good luck and happy day. you can spam all you want some more. though i am curious for a list with the correct answers to this thread question so i can learn something new but meh not from trash that belongs in the trash can. and what makes you so different from a primate... you are not even close to 5% of their ability sadly in both mental and physical ways so get lost. i end it here >_>
(i expected an huge list of correction with explanation why i was wrong at that time but neh.. here comes another spam machine trying to act the cute troll). what you write has no value anyways, given your way of responding. honestly is not like i am here anymore to waste time with such trash . and please.. educate me? every individual learns from wherever /whomever and whatever he himself accepts as correct and wants to learn from (sometimes the truth and reality can be harsh and one may get it wrong indeed). and in all earnestly not from the likes of you ty ^^ . it is indeed true that no one is perfect and that maybe i might have made some horror mistakes, but not like i want to read it from cool wanna look nerds with close to nothing brains in their heads. this may look more like an dumb answer to a fight invitation but hey i don't sympathize with trash and nor do i have any obligation to accept their shit.. oh and yeah well good luck and happy day. you can spam all you want some more. though i am curious for a list with the correct answers to this thread question so i can learn something new but meh not from trash that belongs in the trash can. and what makes you so different from a primate... you are not even close to 5% of their ability sadly in both mental and physical ways so get lost. i end it here >_> -
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September 4, 2014 5:01:16 AM
as123
September 4, 2014 5:12:36 AM
Sayken said:
if you can sell the lighting 770 at good price or just put it in another pc with weak gpu then just go for a r9 290/x when the custom versions are out.else just go sli and sell the psu and go for a 800w minimum one.
yet your 750w psu should be able to handle 2x 770 if is 80+ bronze or higher.
Sayken said:
I would still recommend a r9 290 or 290x more than sli.. believe me sli is useful only when you have more than 1 monitor.it should still give you better fps but will sometimes annoy you with stutter lag and high kw/h drain.
but if you can't sell the 770 at almost same price you bought it then sli is still the better option
Figured I would start at the top and work my way down. You said and I quote "sli is useful only when you have more than one monitor." He said he a 1440p monitor. I originally found this post because I am in the same position as him. That is, I have one 770 and a 1440p monitor. My single 770 struggles to get above 70 frames in most games and I was looking to upgrade. The reason the single 770 is struggling, is because of the higher resolution that its pushing. When you have more than one monitor, your resolution is the sum of all you monitor's resolutions. So does the added performance of sli (all sli does is almost double your performance) matter for me. I have one 770 and, in order to take advantage of my monitors 120hz refresh rate, I need another one. And I only am using one monitor. So I think we have concluded that sli does not only matter for multi monitor configurations.
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Sayken
September 4, 2014 3:09:50 PM
monitors 120hz refresh rate.. where did op mention he has 120 hz monitor? O: some parts are right indeed can't deny. mm but what do you get past 70fps? visual pleasure? like i mentioned above.. a frame rate higher than 60 fps on 60hz monitor, well ... brings nothing. and more than 75 fps on 120hz monitor brings what? please explain that huge ridiculous difference between 75 fps and higher frame rates on 120hz monitor.. and make a connection in which you give an clear explanation why one should go the trouble of having to pay the money for another gpu, stand the annoying fact of sli increasing wattage consumption and raise the temperature ? pretty much i wrote that sli configurations bring something only in multi-monitor based setups by taking into consideration the trouble sli brings, the price you pay for sli, tdp increase and well the small difference a few more fps brings. there are people out there gaming at 30 fps low settings being happy and idiots like you that try to justify throwing money in non-explainable nonsense. oh well until you can come up with an answer in which you explain the super reason why one should get that sli please stop writing. explain in such a way where you will amaze the buyer what you need sli for on 1440p single monitor without giving as the reason (fps numbers). in some way i bet if the fps numbers didn't exist you wouldn't be crapping your pants now. and mm ty that i have bad grammar (not grammer (but where is the sense in correcting that? lame...) \(^o^)/ not native Englishman and nor do i believe you did learn as many languages as i did, to go making fun of that fact.
you quoted : I would still recommend a r9 290 or 290x more than sli.. believe me sli is useful only when you have more than 1 monitor.
it should still give you better fps but will sometimes annoy you with stutter lag and high kw/h drain.
but if you can't sell the 770 at almost same price you bought it then sli is still the better option....
well do you even read what you quote? XD lel
and ..
I look forward to educating you Sayken ... waiting...
you quoted : I would still recommend a r9 290 or 290x more than sli.. believe me sli is useful only when you have more than 1 monitor.
it should still give you better fps but will sometimes annoy you with stutter lag and high kw/h drain.
but if you can't sell the 770 at almost same price you bought it then sli is still the better option....
well do you even read what you quote? XD lel
and ..
I look forward to educating you Sayken ... waiting...
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September 4, 2014 4:38:04 PM
as123
September 4, 2014 8:10:46 PM
Higher fps = better quality. The whole reason you buy a better video card is to get better fps. The two things that make games on pc look good or bad are the fps the game is running at, and the screen its being displayed on. You said if fps didn't exist I wouldn't be crapping my pants right now. I don't think you quite understand what fps is because if fps didn't exist games wouldn't exist. I guess I will have to explain to you what fps is. FPS stands for Frames Per Second. If your graphics card is able to push more pictures a second. It will be smoother up to monitors refresh rate. Here is a video explaining high refresh rate in more depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWdYu-vjZTE Also i would like you to explain what your problem with drawing more power is. If you have a good enough power supply (he said he as a 750w psu which is perfectly fine) and adequate cooling, who cares. Now on to the mythical stuttering. Here's a forum discussing stuttering with sli http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?2876... . I'm guessing you still think your right even though not a single person in the forum that I could find had issues with stuterring.
I guess this is why some primates didn't evolve into humans. They refused to listen to people.
I guess this is why some primates didn't evolve into humans. They refused to listen to people.
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Sayken
September 5, 2014 5:43:38 AM
wow ... really wow... did you even read my posts at all? O.O where did i ask you to define fps or where did i write that there is 0 difference between fps 1-75? O: "You said if fps didn't exist I wouldn't be crapping my pants right now." I said* "in some way i bet if the fps numbers didn't exist you wouldn't be crapping your pants now." note fps numbers lel ... if there weren't programs such as fraps and others that show fps numbers on screen you wouldn't be crapping your pants now about huge differences between 70 fps and 100... you wouldn't even know if you have 65 75 1100 to say more than that is worth the extra sum... maximum smoothness is at 50fps, what comes rest is better image quality, shaders and such..(unless you have super monitor even at 120hz on normal monitor you won't see anything so stunning beyond 75fps, maybe bit brighter effects and colors but nothing to do with texture and environment as well as gameplay) and honestly as long as you don't drop below 30 fps almost everything is playable ^^ "Also i would like you to explain what your problem with drawing more power is." depending where you live the more power the pc draws the more you pay for it you idiot... do i have to write an (... explanation... ) for each sentence just cause you are reading only what you want to read and of course changing it's meaning so it gets convenient for you to insult? lel.. "I guess this is why some primates didn't evolve into humans. They refused to listen to people. " there are (smart and wise people/ retarded selfish people/ arrogant lazy people/ brain defect and retarded people/ those who think stealing and lies make the reason of life and etc etc....) ...and you know each one of them thinks this way (I am the HUMAN those who don't have my characteristics are primates lel) so well you are a complete waste of time human ^^
oh and mystilez ^^ think i give a shit about your personal opinion? you guys don't even realize the op has not even posted any answer to decide whether for him i was in the wrong or not. and nor did any of you come with any solid proof in which it was explained why i was wrong. and if i was wrong at some points let say is that hard to correct? you have to come with that much theater ... duh trash
you just come there, don't like what you see and bam insult atack spam time without any good motive and pretty much fake reasons you pop out of your heads.. if there was something to correct you would have already done that and left the fake theater aside. and one more thing. life does not revolve around games you know?... and if you got a grudge against me gather up the guts to tell it in my face not just pam pim pam let's do some keyboard insult time ^^
oh and mystilez ^^ think i give a shit about your personal opinion? you guys don't even realize the op has not even posted any answer to decide whether for him i was in the wrong or not. and nor did any of you come with any solid proof in which it was explained why i was wrong. and if i was wrong at some points let say is that hard to correct? you have to come with that much theater ... duh trash
you just come there, don't like what you see and bam insult atack spam time without any good motive and pretty much fake reasons you pop out of your heads.. if there was something to correct you would have already done that and left the fake theater aside. and one more thing. life does not revolve around games you know?... and if you got a grudge against me gather up the guts to tell it in my face not just pam pim pam let's do some keyboard insult time ^^
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September 5, 2014 7:26:25 AM

That is assuming he play 3 hours a day and pay 12 cents per kwh which is the average here in America.
My motive for correcting you is so that you hopefully stop spreading false information. As for not having solid proof I have linked sources for all my finding where you have yet to link one. I actually took the time to research all the points you made and why they where wrong. You are just saying things based on your on personal experience which makes your opinions biased and unreliable. There is a reason I downloaded fraps and use it. I use it because I can tell when I am getting low fps. In fact I can tell when I drop from 120 fps down to 90 fps. Try a 120hz monitor then you can talk about how much fps matters. Why did you say maximum smoothness is a 50 fps. You can definitely tell the difference between 50 and 60 fps. Change your desktop refresh rate to 50 by adding a custom resolution in nvidia control panel. Then switch back to 50. You can tell. You also said that beyond 75 fps you will see a bit brighter effects and colors but nothing to do with texture, environment, and gameplay. First of all the colors will actually be slighty worse and more dull at higher frames rates. This is called by gamma shift. Refresh rate has nothing to do with texture and environment. Congrats you said something that was comepletely wrong. As for gameplay, that is the biggest reason to play at high refresh rates. For twitch and reaction based shooters it makes a world of difference because since it is more smooth, you can track enemies better. Btw I'm thinking when your saying lel you mean lol?
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September 5, 2014 7:27:26 AM
Picture didn't load into the prevous post. Here is the link to it. http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag305/TheAschr/Capt...
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Sayken
September 5, 2014 7:48:06 AM
Refresh rate has nothing to do with texture and environment... I said fps has to do with it not refresh rate... where the heck do you come out with them from?
as well there are places like in some parts of norway germany austria where the kwh price can reach 0,62 cents (based in euros). op did not mention where he is from.
that all as well depends on the monitor you own. for some it might end up brighter and as for others darker. it depends. for example 80 fps on acer da220dhql 120hz version shows brighter effects and colors than 50-60 fps (tested games: c9, tera, crysis 1, jade dinasty, pw), while 60hz version shows darker colors at 60 fps than at 40 fps. so like i said it depends on the monitor as well.
i mentioned that maximum smoothness is at 50 fps referring to it as characters movement clarity and gameplay speed as well as area clarity while moving camera (no freezing, no delays or lag spikes). now that depends how you define smoothness.
and you still did not make clear what was so wrong that the op would have done horribly if he took my replies seriously.
and why get sli when you can get a better single gpu? mmm
i still don't get what you want to prove.. make people play games only if they get 70fps+ or what?
as well there are places like in some parts of norway germany austria where the kwh price can reach 0,62 cents (based in euros). op did not mention where he is from.
that all as well depends on the monitor you own. for some it might end up brighter and as for others darker. it depends. for example 80 fps on acer da220dhql 120hz version shows brighter effects and colors than 50-60 fps (tested games: c9, tera, crysis 1, jade dinasty, pw), while 60hz version shows darker colors at 60 fps than at 40 fps. so like i said it depends on the monitor as well.
i mentioned that maximum smoothness is at 50 fps referring to it as characters movement clarity and gameplay speed as well as area clarity while moving camera (no freezing, no delays or lag spikes). now that depends how you define smoothness.
and you still did not make clear what was so wrong that the op would have done horribly if he took my replies seriously.
and why get sli when you can get a better single gpu? mmm
i still don't get what you want to prove.. make people play games only if they get 70fps+ or what?
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September 5, 2014 7:51:49 AM
as123
September 5, 2014 8:30:00 AM
Sayken
September 5, 2014 9:59:13 AM
of course texture mods and such.
but for some mmorpgs (older ones) such as perfect world, jade dinasty, lineage and for the price of persia series higher fps made textures look better. weird but yeah due to image quality and clarity.
and sometimes when you have 14 fps on high settings the textures will go to hell as well, thus making the quality go broken over all
but for some mmorpgs (older ones) such as perfect world, jade dinasty, lineage and for the price of persia series higher fps made textures look better. weird but yeah due to image quality and clarity.
and sometimes when you have 14 fps on high settings the textures will go to hell as well, thus making the quality go broken over all
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September 5, 2014 1:31:42 PM
Refresh rates are the same thing as fps. Freezing and delays aren't caused by having to high of an fps. Most likely their just bugs in the game your playing. The lag spikes are probably drops in your fps. So running at a higher fps minimized them. Case and Point. Im trying to prove that fps does matter and that higher fps is ALWAYS better than a lower fps. The reason he may want to get a second 770 is because let's assume he sells his 770 for $250, which is reasonable because street value for those cards right now is around $310. The cheapest 290x I could find was $510. $510 - 250 = 260$ out of his pocket. Adding another 770 would cost his $310. The 770 sli setup would be alot more powerful per $ spent. For $50 more dollars he could get %43 more performance. I used the 2560x1440p benchmarks in the following link for these numbers.
r9 290x bioshock infinite-
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_revi...
gtx 770 bioshock infinite-
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_770_sl...
Granted, if he only has a 60hz monitor he won't be able to see a difference, but with more demanding games (crysis, metro, etc), he will be able to turn the settings up higher while keeping the same fps as the 290x.
r9 290x bioshock infinite-
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_revi...
gtx 770 bioshock infinite-
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_770_sl...
Granted, if he only has a 60hz monitor he won't be able to see a difference, but with more demanding games (crysis, metro, etc), he will be able to turn the settings up higher while keeping the same fps as the 290x.
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September 5, 2014 1:44:03 PM
Unless the games changed the texture's resolution in real time, which I highly doubt, quality of the textures would have looked the same. The quality and clarity your talking about is the higher frame rate, which affects everything. That is the point I have been trying to argue this whole time. And if your playing at 14 fps then something is obviously wrong or you need to turn down the settings, but the textures would still be the same.
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