Graphics Card for Dell Inspiron I660-6038BK

Hornburger

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Hi Everyone,
I want to make sure before buying a desktop that I am buying the right one.

A few questions:
1. Is the computer I list a good buy? I was looking at i5s because I heard they were the best, but I wasn't sure if an i3 would be good enough if games are mostly using dual cores. However, with the new consoles, they may start using 8 cores? So I wasn't sure how many cores would be ideal. I heard a lot of places that i5s are pretty good and are fairly future proof so I went with that.
2. I heard the Intel Integrated Graphics may not be good enough. Can I just try and play games on low settings, or will this overheat my computer and damage it based on overheating the GPU? I now have a laptop, and I think I fried the PSU from my games, so I was looking to avoid the issue. I don't care much about graphics or frame rate, as long as it is playable and doesn't kill the computer. However, would I need to upgrade the graphics card? If so, is there one you recommend that would be compatible with the computer and power supply? When looking around the max based on wattage may be an AMD Radeon HD 7750 or may 7770 but wasn't sure. Preferably one not overly expensive but does the job well.

Hopefully I included all relevant information, but if I missed something let me know. Sorry about not having the exact specifics on some parts, I couldn't find where to get them.

So the pre-built computer with monitor (I don't trust myself building one) is a Dell Inspiron Desktop I660-6038BK for $500 on Black Friday.

The main specs of this PC are:
CPU: i5-3340
Memory: 12GB
GPU : Intel Integrated Graphics (I think 2500 but it doesn't say?)
Power Supply: I think it has a 300 watt power supply, but it doesn't really say.
Usage: I will mostly be using this for gaming (ideally some like Rome 2, NBA 14, Civilization V, X Reunion, Cities of Tomorrow?), movies, web browsing, a little photo editing.
Monitor: It comes with a 24 inch monitor, but doesn't say the resolution. I think 1920 x something?
Budget: Preferably no higher than $500 for the prebuilt computer. Not sure a $ amount for GPU upgrade, but good enough to play games at around low or medium settings.

Thank you in advance!
 

IRONBATMAN

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Don't ever buy a prebuilt PC for gaming !!!

Build it yourself !
use this video for help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls

Parts,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7790 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($38.42 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $561.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-26 00:10 EST-0500)

It's a little over budget, but definitely better than that Dell PC
 
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IRONBATMAN

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Here's a 23.6" 1920 x 1080 Monitor with built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236112&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
< $130 , $109 after rebates >
 

Hornburger

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I have heard that build-it-yourself computers are much better, I just know that me being me it will end up badly. I would think everything was built and connected correctly, just to find out I screwed something up and when instead I could have just had a company that knows what they doing build it - haha.
 

Hornburger

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Thanks for your help. Is an AMD FX-6300 better than an i5-3340? What makes the Dell Inspiron not a good choice (I know the graphics, but I can upgrade those)? Just wondering since I haven't really done this before.
 

Hornburger

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Okay, thanks - those help a lot when looking at what to upgrade to. One last question - say I do go ahead with getting that computer + monitor bundle. I'm only a moderate gamer, so would it damage my computer if I try out the Intel graphics? Would overworking the graphics card cause any issues with the desktop like overheating and hardware damage? Ideally I would get this bundle and try out how it goes. Then if I find I need the new GPU & PSU I would go forward with upgrading it then. However, I wasn't sure if using the integrated graphics while playing the games would damage it.
 

IRONBATMAN

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No, using the IGPU in the i5-3340 ( Intel HD 2500 ) won't damage the parts. As long as you insert the CPU and the Cooler properly, you should be fine. This Dell Case doesn't have front mesh for ventilation so its good to invest a little more in case fans. I can't seem to find a manual or instructions on what sized fans are supported.

The PSU is essential. Buy a good efficient 80+ certified one. The Corsair CX500 I recommended earlier is a good cheap and reliable one.
 

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I expect other people with this same system may eventually find their way to this thread as I have and will need the same advice. To that end I direct your attention to one very important fact about this particular computer system.

When upgrading to a new graphics card you may have a problem with the computer refusing to recognize it. The solution to the problem is to disable the SECURE BOOT in the BIOS. I came across a post while reading reviews where someone actually returned his DELL I660 because he was not able to figure that out. Someone posted the solution a little too late for him.


Hello Hornburger and everyone else reading this post.

Just this morning (Black Friday @ 3:00 am) I ran out and bought the same exact computer Hornburger was refering to in the OP. The Best Buy website said it was only available by ordering it online. It was also listed as unavailable. I was like "WHAT ???" bummer. I was pleasently surprised to find that my local Best Buy had them in stock. They had three of them. I was the early bird that got the first one. Sure I could have built one that was better of course, but the reality is that the price and convenience of simply grabbing this DELL was too tempting. I will need the monitor for this computer as I will be using the 27" I already have for the Dell.

I found out about this deal a couple nights ago before I found this thread. I found this thread while determining if it was a good enough option for me. Obviously I decided it was. I have not even had time to unpack it, or set it up yet. Not in a big hurry and I am pretty tired. I will post my review after I have time to play with it.

The reason I am weighing in on this thread is to find out if Hornburger, or someone else went ahead and got it so maybe we can compare notes on our choice for a Graphics Card upgrade. That is a must for this machine if you intend to do any gaming.

This system has a 300 watt power supply and I am near certain from reading many other older threads at Tom's and other sources that even without upgrading the power supply it can still easily handle a Radeon HD 7750 1GB . The power supply that comes with this model does not have a spare power cord to plug into a video card and the 7750 does not need one. I have been able to determine the PCIE slot on the MB directly feeds the video card with up to 75 watts.

The 7750 did not appear in the Best Graphics Cards For The Money: November 2013, but might have had the chart extended down a tier into the 800 MHg core clock range.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-8.html

I have read that a 7770, or a 7790 which are the next steps up will likely not work with just a 300 watt power supply. Both of those say they need 85 watts.

After hours of searching for; and reading up on upgrading the graphics for this Dell I660 model the Sapphire HD 7750 GDDR5 with x1 GIG (Low Profile) which costs $105 ($95 after rebate) is the best sure fire option in terms of price, quality, and reliability you can get for a maximum graphics upgrade without replacing the PSU. The 7750 needs 55 watts which is within specs. There are Youtube video's showing how well it runs "Battlefield 3". For games like WOW, or Star Trek Online it will run like a champ.

Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 11202-10-20G Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x Mini DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, Low Profile
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3835478&CatId=7387

If you pay at Tiger Direct using the V.Me Visa option you get a $20 immediate discount and it is very easy to register for it. It costs nothing to do it and gives you some buyer protection on future purchases. Sounds like a fraud prevention program. Purchase must be over $100 to get the discount. The low profile card just barely qualifies. Not sure how long this promotion will last that gets the price down to $80 including shipping with the $10 rebate, but these cards do go on sale periodically.

The non discreet version will work just as well for $10 less, but takes up more space.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7620169&CatId=7387

If you want to replace the the power supply and get a more powerful graphics card that $80 could easily shoot up to $250, or more.

One question I have for the experts is this...

Given that the CPU power of the i5-3340 this system comes with is roughly on par with an i5 3350P I am wondering just how far up the food chain of graphics cards in terms of price/performence are worth consideration? What graphics card would get us to the point of diminishing returns through both overkill and a waste of money? It would be a waste to bottleneck the processor with too powerful a GPU.



 

IRONBATMAN

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The i5-3340 is a Mid-Range CPU. It can handle any game thrown at it at reasonable conditions. So If you want a Graphics Card that can do the same, the HD 7850 , GTX 660 , and the HD 7870 Would be a good choice. I listed them from worst to best.
Benchmarks
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The GTX 660 comes with free games
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The HD 7850 and HD 7870 comes with the same free games.
http://www.amd4u.com/radeonrewards

The GTX 660 has better games in my opinion so I would get that.
 

trismigistus

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Great answer IRONBATMAN.

It occured to me since I have a Dell case which I am stuck with that I should perhaps factor in the decision of which card and brand to get based on which one runs the coolest. A Dell case will have no front mesh ventalation.

Is it worth trying to try to determine the coolest running? Not sure if it would make much difference, but the fact is the further up in price for a graphics card you go the more voltage the card uses. The voltage the card uses determines the heat output which of course is mitigated by the cards cooling technology.

I have been able to determine that the ASUS GeForce GTX 660 DirectCU II 2GB OC would probably be the best choice for the GTX 660 in terms of cooling and that is what I would lean towards if I decide to spend that much.

 

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Asus is definitely a Reputable Brand. Their Dircect CU II is basically 2 Copper wires in contact with the GPU. They are not the only ones who have this type of cooling system. MSI's Twin Frozr is pretty god as well. But usually, Gigabyte seems to have the cheapest ones. I'm not sure about EVGA because they hide a lot of their heatsinks inside the " hood " , but they seem to have very good support.

Its definitely easier to pick the cheapest one because many of them have the same stuff , just maybe different materials and quality.

And I just found out that the R9 270x comes with BF4.
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Comparisons
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the price difference should be around $10-$30 and you would probably get 5 FPS more so I think its best to compare the games.
 

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After a great deal of thought I opted for the $80 option to keep the system at the price point I budgeted for.

I got the Sapphire HD 7750 (low profile) from Tiger Direct that I linked to in my post.

I'll be waiting a week to get it and I will post my experience after I install it.

Sure I would have loved to have spent $300 on a new PCU and hopped up card, but I think I will be satisfied with what I got.

Considering I have been getting by on a 32 bit machine with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4450e with an ATI Radeon HD 4350 and only 4 megs of Ram for 5 years I think I will be in second heaven with this upgrade. If I spend any more money it will be for a new battary for my APC which is the only reason my current system has lasted 5 years and is still going stong I might add. It has seen me through both WOW and Star Trek Online.

I did a ton of thinking and reading to make my decision about getting this Dell. I had been sold on the idea of building my own. I was going to build a budget Haswell machine, or Ivy Bridge to OC until I came across an interview with a guy from intel talking about the differences between Haswell and Ivy Bridge. After additional reading I found out there is no guarantee that the new Broadwell processors that will be the next Intel release will fit on the existing Haswell socketed mother boards. That would have made the Haswell build just as dead as the Ivy Bridge. That killed my idea to go all out on spending too much on a new system build to overclock. I decided to just keep it cheap and just use this Dell for the next three years, or more.

For $80 counting my $20 instant discount and $10 rebate allowing me to avoid replacing the PSU it just made too much sense not to get this...
Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 11202-10-20G Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x Mini DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, Low Profile
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3835478&CatId=7387

I figure the bonus advantage of selecting a 7750 is that since it only uses 55 watts power I won't have to concern myself with cooling issues.
 

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For those wanting to go IRONBATMAN's route for Cyber Monday I did find this.

For $130 after a $40 rebate here is a ASUS GTX660-DC2O-2GD5 GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.frys.com/product/7551666?site=sa:adpages page:p14_SAT date:113013

Or you step down for $20 less and spend $109 after a $40 rebate and get the ASUS HD7850-DC2-2GD5-V2 Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=sgMsPFrtEeODIur7UEsVTA0_SPRp3_0_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16814121651&Tpk=14-121-651&cm_sp=

For $29.99 after a $20 rebate CORSAIR CX series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

Of course you would have to lay out $210 to $230 including shipping instead of the $90 I paid; and then wait a while to get back that $60 in rebates.

That would be $150 to $170 compared to the $80 I spent, but it would give you significantly better graphics.

With the 7750 card I got I have already confirmed peope are getting 30 FPS in Battlefield 4 and I have no plans to even play games that demanding. It is nice to know I can if I want to with my compromise card.

 

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Hi!
After installing and using your card, Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 11202-10-20G Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x Mini DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, Low Profile, can you give me some feedback. I am also looking to upgrade the graphics card on the same computer. When I bought it, I knew I was going to upgrade it. Right now in WoW, I can get about 20FPS, while it is on the middle setting (Good) for video. I'm an intermediate user of computers, and was going to try and upgrade this myself, so I have been following this post. I appreciate all the advise y'all have given so far.

Thanks in advance,
Crystal
 

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I think it's best if you start a new thread
 

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I would be happy to. I just got it Friday, so I should have some feedback soon. It was a breeze to install, so don't let the idea intimidate you. With the low profile card it comes with a mini tower bracket on the card, so I did have to remove three tiny screws off the card itself to install the midtower sized bracket that it came with. That scared me when I tried to install the card right away and the bracket would not fit.

Check this out in the meantime.
http://media.bestofmicro.com/U/1/326377/original/world%20of%20warcraft%201920.png

I am playing with my new computer, but I am taking it very slow to try and figure out how to install this card properly. Things are never as easy as they seem.

I installed the card right away before booting up the first time. I held off installing drivers. The computer is recognizing both graphics GPU's and in device manager and they both say that they are working fine.

I would almost be happier if I was seeing a conflict.

Ran into a problem getting into the BIOS using my 27" monitor connected to my new 7750 card. For whatever reason I was not able to get into the BIOS at all until I connected the new monitor to the integrated graphics card. I did not have the right connector for my 27", or I am sure that monitor would have worked just as well.

Can't really explain why, but using the 7750 card with a monitor somehow completely bypasses the DELL screen where you would normally hit the F-2 key.

Hook a monitor to the integrated graphics card and the Dell screen comes right up. Same problem getting into the BIOS if you try using the new Windows 8 method of getting into the BIOS unless the monitor is connected to that integrated graphics card.

Once you are in the BIOS there is a way to disable the Boot Lock, but no options for turning off the integrated, or turning on the PCIE show up. Messing with the boot lock by itself does not help. I still get oth GPU's showing up in the device manager and both are listed as working as intended, but obviously I am running only on the integrated GPU.

Not in a hurry to install drivers just yet as I am still trying to gather enough information to follow the proper procedural sequence.


P.S. Will now be experimenting with the instructions I found in the next post to see if I can't get my BIOS to give me an additional option to choose PCIE.
 

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After hours of searching I came upon this.


Originally Posted by Bubbaleone View Post

EDIT: While I've been researching and composing this post, I see you've since stated that you had the GeForce GT620 option already installed. Please read the following to see if this may apply to why you haven't been able to install your GeForce 650 Ti:

I've done some research because I was very curious and your problem doesn't appear to be isolated, given the number of posts on the web regarding add-in graphics cards not being recognized on many new factory computers; not just Dell either.

From what I've been reading; the problem with third-party add-in cards not being recognized seems to be that Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. are shipping their PCs, with Windows 8 pre-installed, in UEFI mode with secure boot enabled. It's the secure boot setting that prevents being able to install add-in cards (not just graphics cards).

Although the ability to disable secure boot is mandated by the Windows 8 certification requirements for x86 and x64 OEM computers, Dell in particular seems very remiss in including any documentation on just how to do that.

If Windows 8 came pre-installed on your computer, it almost certainly boots in UEFI mode. To get your computer to recognize your graphics card, you’ll need to switch the boot mode from UEFI to Legacy and then disable the Secure Boot option.


1) Power on the computer and when the F2 Setup, F12 Boot Options appears in the lower-right corner of the screen, press F12.

2) When the Boot Device Menu appears, use the arrow keys to choose the BIOS Setup option.

3) In the BIOS Setup Utility, move to the Boot tab and disable the Secure Boot Control option.

4) Next, navigate down to the Boot Mode option and switch the boot mode from UEFI to Legacy. Press F10 to save your changes.

5) Once your computer restarts, press F12 to bring up the Boot Menu again and under 'OTHER OPTIONS' you should now see 'Peripheral Device Setting (OPROM Setting)'.

6) Use the arrow keys to choose Peripheral Device Setting, then make the approptiate changes in BIOS to disable the onboard VGA and enable the PCIe graphics card. Press F10 to save your changes.

7) Allow the computer to restart and test to confirm that your grapics card is now functional.

8) Once satisfied, restart your computer then go back into the BIOS and switch the boot mode back to UEFI with secure boot enabled.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2314832



Originally Posted by ketchup79 View Post

Two things here, may or may not be helpful:

1. Dell will make 100 models with vastly different hardware under the same general model number. So you may have to hunt for the option on your particular board.

2. Windows 8 compatible is most likely just their way of saying the drivers work for the new OS. UEFI compatibility, which in all reality should be in the same compatibility boat as Windows 8 (since it is the first Windows OS with decent UEFI support), will not be by manufacturers, since that would take more work to get that worked out, if at all possible on OEM boards.

Bottom line is you should be able to get the new card to work, you may just have to do some hunting to find the option to do so for your particular model.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2314832


Originally Posted by Bubbaleone View Post

It appears you don't need to be worried about trying to disable the onboard graphics since it's Intel HD Graphics, which has no problem running alongside a discrete graphics card. But, I'd still look carefully for any settings pertaining to enabling a discrete PCIe graphics card.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2327234

Hmm, Well both cards are showing up and saying they are working as intended. Could be worse. I might not have been able to get the MB to recognize it was there. Now the issue is determining if it will use and get the performance from the 7750, or it will just keep using the integrated graphics despite device manager saying the 7750 is working as intended. Not sure how two GPU's can remain installed together and working as intended with no conflict. Were not talking SLI/Crossfire, or Hybrid. There just seems to be no way in BIOS to turn one off and make it show it defaulting to the new 7750 in the device manager.

It would appear you can simultaneously plug in separate monitors to each graphics card and both monitors will work independently from each GPU. It is as though it is working the way I have read some laptops do with regards to having two GPU's. I am wondering if maybe Dell used a laptop motherboard to put these 660's together at this point. Why else would this system come pre-installed with Intel Anti Theft Technology which is pretty much useless for a desktop? Then there is that Battery Icon in the task bar that says 100% fully charged?

If I boot with one monitor connected to the Integrated Intel Graphics I get that graphics icon in the bottom right tool tips showing itself active. I can open up the control center for it and make graphics adjustments with the computer running from the integrated card.

If I boot up with my monitor connected only to the new 7750 card the Intel graphics GPU icon goes inactive, but was NOT replaced in the tool bar with the 7750's AMD Catalyst Icon which allows you to open and make all those juicy graphics configuration adjustments to your 7750 card.

I finally solved that problem later and am making another post to explain.

 

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After exhaustive testing and reading I was unable to find any information on how to either disable the Intel HD integrated graphics, nor was I able to find an explicit option in the BIOS to enable PCI Express. The closest I could find to what "Bubbaleone" had mentioned was enabling the Legacy OPRM.

In the end I did make these changes in my BIOS to get things to seem to work properly.

These are the three settings in the BIOS you need to look at. I am posting how I now have them set.

1) Secure Boot - Disabled
2) Load Legacy OPRM - Enabled
3) Boot Mode - UEFI

I can now access the BIOS with F-2 booting with the 7750 monitor port. When I disconnected the monitor from my integrated GPU port and reconnect my 27" monitor to my new 7750 after playing with the BIOS settings the first thing I noticed was I was now suddenly getting that DELL Screen when booting up, or restarting which allowed me to use the F-2 key to get into BIOS. That problem seems to have cleared up by what I did in the BIOS..

I then decided to just install the newest drivers for my 7750 from the manufacturers website instead of using the CD that came with the card. I decided to do this without uninstalling the Intel HD integrated graphics drivers. I figure if they were going to work side by side without conflicting with each other it was logical decision to leave them installed. Glad I did. If the 7750 card ever fries out you will be able to just plug the monitor to the Intel Graphics port.

I then went to the DELL website and performed their GRAPHICS diagnostics test. Their update tool said they had 7750 drivers too, so I just overwrote the driers I had already installed. I had to download and install the Dell software update tool to do it of course.The test took upwards of 15 minutes, or more. I was pleasantly surprised to see the Dell diagnostic performing the test on my Sapphire 7750 instead of the integrated graphics. The last test performed was of the PCI Express slot. All ten tests including rendering and memory passed with flying colors.

I am left thinking that it really was all that simple. Perhaps they recently revamped the Bios in response to all the people who were having all those troubles.

I plan to do more testing and post a further update soon. I am exhausted and can barely keep my eyes open.
 

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In the end I did make a change in my BIOS to get things to work. I am sure I must have restarted the computer going in and out of the BIOS experimenting with changes at least a dozen times. No way I can tell you what I did exactly. I just kept experimenting and observing while rebooting with those three settings in various combinations back and forth.

These are the three settings in the BIOS you need to look at. I am posting how I now have them set.

1) Secure Boot - Disabled (It was factory enabled)
2) Load Legacy OPRM - Enabled (It was factory disabled)
3) Boot Mode - UEFI (That was the factory setting.)

I am not saying this is the perfect right group of settings. Merely that things seem to be working as intended with these settings. If you have followed my steps you will note a new message pops up in BIOS when you try to disable the Legacy OPRM setting saying that your graphics card (presumably the 7750) does not have support for UEFI. This evidently happens once you have successfully made the computer accept and use the new graphics card. I also notice that you now cannot re-enable the Boot Lock after making the changes. I also note that I can keep the Boot mode on UEFI. I could change that to Legacy and I am near sure it will continue working, but I am not sure it matters either way. UEFI near as I am able to confirm makes the computer boot faster is all, so I suppose if you put it on Legacy Boot it might just take longer for the computer to boot up? I am not worried about it either way at this point. Although I do notice that when I do switch the UEFI Boot to Legacy Boot I get a new option for a CD ROM to use as a boot device. It may be that if you create back-up bootable CD's to reinstall the operating system you will have to switch to the Legacy Boot Mode to use them.




Update on installation of drivers for the 7750.

I was not able to get the 7750 Catalyst Program to install using the first, or second sources I used to download and install the drivers even though the 7750 card was working without it. I had to find a third website link to get the catalyst program to install and become accessible and show up in the tool bar. I wish I had posted all three links I used last night, but I was exhausted. Now that I am awake again I am posting the sources I used to finally get the 7750 drivers and the all important Catalyst Display Center to finally install properly and add the icon to the tool bar.


I had first installed the drivers from this link. The card seemed to work ok, but I had no Catalyst Control Center that I could open as a program using a start command, or from a tool bar. I did not use the Beta drivers which was an option.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/downloads/download_index.aspx?psn=0006&lid=1

I then went to the DELL website and allowed them to scan my computer for updates and a video driver for the 7750 came up from them. I installed that one and still I had no Catalyst Control Center, but again my 7750 seemed to be working fine.


This was the third and final source link I used to get the AMD Catalyst Control Center to install and properly add the icon to the tool bar. I used the option to let it choose for me by checking my card and I think it installed the one for the 7770. I think that is a good thing.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download

Again I never used the CD Rom Install disk that my 7750 came with. Maybe I should have. I will add that I did not uninstall anything during the above process. I merely installed over what was already there and all seems to be working as intended now.


Next post I will try to have a graphics intensive game installed in order to give the results of my FPS.

It will probably be DIABLO III.


It would appear you can simultaneously plug in separate monitors to each graphics card and both monitors will work independently from each GPU. It is as though it is working the way I have read some laptops do with regards to having two GPU's. I am wondering if maybe Dell used a laptop motherboard to put these 660's together at this point. Why else would this system come pre-installed with Intel Anti Theft Technology which is pretty much useless for a desktop? Then there is that Battery/Plug Icon used for power options in the task bar that says 100% fully charged when you hover the cursor over it?
 

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All trismigistus's valuable efforts wouldn't have been wasted, even if Crystal832 were to say that. I found this thread on Cyber Monday morning and quickly realized that (a) trismigistus was thinking along exactly the same lines I was, (b) trismigistus had researched the subject better than I had, and (c) trismigistus knew more about computers than I did. So I decided to copy trismigistus. I went ahead that day and bought the same system trismigistus bought, but with 8GB of RAM instead of 12. Then I bought the same video card trismigistus bought, except I bought the standard Sapphire 7750 card not the low-profile one. My system hasn't arrived yet and I have been avidly following each of trismigistus's updates. I want to take this opportunity to thank trismigistus and commend trismigistus on the clarity of thinking communicated in the easy-to-follow writing on this page. Please, more updates.


 

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@ fortunaswheel ... You are very welcome.


About ready to install Diablo III, but I thought this worth posting. I could not figure out how to manually open the DVD/CD Rom Drive. There appears to be no button. Turned out I was not the only person who was having the same trouble.

Here you go.
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19363879.aspx


P.S.

I made a comprehensive edit to a paragraph in an earlier post.

I am re-quoting it here as it is likely that returning readers would miss it; and it does contain additional important information.

1) Secure Boot - Disabled (It was factory enabled)
2) Load Legacy OPRM - Enabled (It was factory disabled)
3) Boot Mode - UEFI (That was the factory setting.)

I am not saying the above is the perfect settings. Merely that things seem to be working as intended with these settings. If you have followed my steps you will note a new message pops up in BIOS when you try to disable the Legacy OPRM setting saying that your graphics card (the 7750) does not have support for UEFI. This evidently happens once you have successfully made the computer accept and use the new graphics card. I think the appearance of that new popup in the bios makes for a great confirmation of a successful install. I also notice that I cannot re-enable the Boot Lock after making the change to "Load Legacy OPRM" with the 7750 installed properly. The pop-up says I would have to install a different video card. I also note that I can keep the Boot mode on UEFI. I could change that to Legacy and I am sure it will continue working, but I am not sure it matters either way. UEFI near as I was able to confirm makes the computer boot faster is all. I suppose if you put it on Legacy Boot Mode it might just take longer for the computer to boot up? I am not worried about it either way at this point. I notice that when I do switch the UEFI Boot Mode to Legacy Boot Mode I get a new BIOS option for a CD ROM to use as a boot device. It may be that if you create back-up bootable CD's to reinstall the operating system you will have to switch to the Legacy Boot Mode if you ever need to use them to reinstall the OS with bootable CD's.