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Hi everybody, I am looking forward to purchasing a new workstation that would perform fast renders. I'm currently using an i7 2.8 GHZ with Quadro 4000 and it's killing me when i render big scenes. Now I researched a lot and turns out C4D doesn't use GPU; it uses CPU power to render.

My question is, can I get a super fast rendering workstation for a budget of $4500 if I get a Xeon processor? and if yes, what Xeon? is it possible to get a 12 core Xeon on a four-socket motherboard and then upgrade it with time to 4x12core for my budget? and would it make a difference for cinema 4D if I with time upgrade to 4x12? or is it in fact better to get a Dual Xeon x5650 4ghz with 64GB ram?

Can you guys please help? cos I'm pretty much lost and getting even more confused the more I research!
 
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Yeah but isn't an Xeon E5-2697 v2 too expensive? would a Dual Xeon x5650 2x 6 core do the same job? or is an E5-2697 12 core much better for rendering? My concern is that for my budget of $4500 I wouldn't be able to get a real fast rendering workstation, that it would perform better than an i7 but that the difference wouldn't be THAT great. ( see i'm rendering a scene on an i7 and each frame's taking like 40min to render! would a Xeon do the difference? like down the render time to say 2-5 minutes?) or am I just being not realistic!
 
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Thanks ZionZA for your replies, I really appreciate it.

I have a few questions: What if I got :

- Dual Intel Xeon E5-2640 Sandy Bridge-EP 2.5GHz (3GHz Turbo Boost) 15MB L3 Cache LGA 2011 95W Six-Core Server Processor
- RAM: 12x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series
- EVGA GeForce 580 3GB

Or Should I go with:
https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-workstation-pc-our-dual-xeon-build-and-guidelines-help-yours

Or Should I get an HP Z820 Intel® Xeon® E5-2650 v2 (2.6 GHz, 20 MB cache, 8 cores) 4 GB 1866 MHz DDR3 ECC Unbuffered RAM (1 X 4 GB) 500 GB 7200 rpm SATA

I'm researching a lot and getting more and more confused.

What do you think?
Thanks again for the replies, hope to hear from you soon.
 
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What would you suggest for a motherboard and other components within the workstation?
 
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007KQ9OD6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B007KQ9OD6&linkCode=as2&tag=teksyndealzon-20

is an idea. Although the quad sli is a bit much. But what do you think?

Ram is basically up to you and can be upgraded later on as well. For now the 2 CPU's and motherboard is the key here.

Are you sure you don't want to go for quadro card? If not then maybe something like a 760 or so. The 580 is an old card.

You will also be looking at a 750w to 1000w PSU. Depending on the graphics.
 
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Hey man, your feedback is helping alot! so first and foremost "Thanks".
The motherboard you suggested is good. However, how much ram could this board take? only 64? and besides that, I was checking the link for the processor you gave me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117267
Then I discovered this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117266
Which is 8 core instead of 6. Would this one be faster than the one you suggested if i got dual?
and about the graphics card, I'm thinking about getting a quadro (the cheapest one though) cos i prefer to have more CPU power for my renders.

Let me know what you think. And would the SSD drive make a difference too on the workstation? if yes, what would you suggest?

Thanks a lot man!
You're the best
 
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Are you actaully locked into Intel for this, getting the highest tier Intel Xeons would be better of course, AMD has limits while Intel has... Less limits if you're willing to pay. You might want to look into 4p AMD systems with 6300 series opterons. Again, it won't be as powerful as the high end Xeon machine, but damn it's a lot cheaper to have 4 16 core Opterons rather than 2 really high end Xeons or even 4 Xeons if you can find a good board or two for that
 
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Hey man, so wait, if i got dual AMD Opteron 6386 SE 2.80 GHz Processor - Socket G34 LGA-1944, so basically 16 core each, thats 32 cores, it would be a lot faster than the intel? Whats the catch? I mean why? what limitations does the AMD have? cos I dont know anything about the AMD, I've always heard intel is the best...

Please advise?
Thanks

AMD is so much cheaper!!!
 
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I don't really know the AMD side for servers. I know it should come down to the same basics. But thats about it. Anyway. That motherboard I mentioned support 256GB of RAM and can take 4 graphics cards. etc etc. Might be completely overkill but owell.

Also keep in mind that Intel Xeon processors support Hyperthreading. So each core can work as 2 logical ones etc but its not as fast as two actual cores of the same type. People usually say it can boost performance by up to 30% etc.

Anyway. In regards to rendering I have heard that a lot of people use AMD. I personally don't know AMD server side processors very well sadly so if someone else could maybe give you advice in that then it would be great.
 
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No, for the same price as you pay for a Xeon machine, for instance two $2000 Xeon processors and a $700 motherboard, you can get a very powerful AMD system, good for heavy computational tasks. For instance, I'm about to build a 64 core Opteron rig for the purpose of folding only as AMD CPU's are typically better than Xeons for that sort of heavy computational work. That being said, a 12 core and 24 thread Xeon is going to be so much better for things like rendering than just a 16 core solution.

Intel being the best is not always true. Intel CPU's typically have a higher TPC(Tick per cycle) which means that for every cycle it gets more done on each core, this is why you see Intel CPU's that are quad core only competing with 8 core AMD CPU's and winning. This principle can be applied to AMD Opterons because it has the same architecture styles as other AMD CPU's for the most part. AMD CPU's are limited by the fact that while they have 16 physical cores on their high end models, those 16 cores are separated into 8 modules and those modules share resources. In this case you end up with an effect of 16 cores using the resources of 8 cores. Don't get me wrong, it is still 16 physical cores and that is still better than 8 hyperthreaded Intel cores. But 12 hyperthreaded Intel cores beat a 16 core Opteron pretty easily with application specific exceptions such as folding.

For a quick summary, if you want to pay maybe $2500 for the whole system than AMD is still the budget CPU king, if you're willing to pay extra for the high end Xeon rig, it will easily out-perform the AMD rig. However, since I came into this discussion late I feel that it would be easier for you to go with the Xeon route since you seem to have much of the parts sorted
 
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You could buy Octane render plugin for Cinema 4D... It supports unbiased physically based rendering

 
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