Is classic overclocking dead?

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(Terribly sorry if this is asked often)

Hi all,
I was choosing parts for my build coming up for christmas and was wondering...
is the classic method of overclocking dead? Back in the day (or at least from what I understand), it used to be that to overclock to whatever settings you wanted, you'd just go into the BIOS (hacked bios?) and tweak some settings, then voila, overclocked. Now, it seems the only method of OCing is intel-approved OCing. With the "K"-series chips.

Now I don't have money for K series haswell. I was actually just going to go with the i5-4570 and an ASUS H87 mobo. I'm convinced that's a decently powerful setup (despite not being able to find reviews of that board), but in the future when it lags, will I be able to OC by any means?
 
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i5 3570 Stock - 3.4Ghz
Turbo active 4 cores- 3.5Ghz
3 cores - 3.6Ghz
2 cores - 3.7Ghz
1 core - 3.8Ghz

3.8Ghz + 4 'Bins' or 400Mhz = 4.2Ghz ;)

Any non K i5 or i7 Sandy or Ivy Bridge CPU would do that, at least with an overclock capable motherboard, P67, Z68, Z75 or Z77.

They took even that out of Haswell though.
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You need a K series i5 or i7 to overclock at all. With Sandy ( i5/i7 2xxx ) and Ivy ( i5/i7 3xxx ) Bridge i5 and i7 CPUs you could overclock a non K chip 400Mhz over stock but not with Haswell ( 4xxx series ).
 
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most (i believe) go thru the bios still. but by design (unlike, say core2 et al), non-k are not overclockable (they are to a certain degree).
Just like before, multipliers are locked but we can use the fsb. But now, K's are unlocked, so we go thru there.
 
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You will be able to reach 2 bins above stock Turbo speed(Ivy and Sandy, not Haswel). So if turbo is 3.8GHz then you can get to 4.0GHz.
Anything above that and you risk destabilizing your whole system.

And yes, traditional OCing is dead, used to be higher risk, higher reward at lower cost.

Now its just a costly hobby.
 
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4 bins ;) And it's not that it will not be stable it's just locked and will not go higher with the multiplier. You can raise the BCLK but that is dangerous on Sandy and Ivy.
 
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Ah yes your right, 4 bins... LOL i remember 4.2GHz being the standard. Think I need to sleep more... :D
 
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i5 3570 Stock - 3.4Ghz
Turbo active 4 cores- 3.5Ghz
3 cores - 3.6Ghz
2 cores - 3.7Ghz
1 core - 3.8Ghz

3.8Ghz + 4 'Bins' or 400Mhz = 4.2Ghz ;)

Any non K i5 or i7 Sandy or Ivy Bridge CPU would do that, at least with an overclock capable motherboard, P67, Z68, Z75 or Z77.

They took even that out of Haswell though.
 
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Ok. I see. So the "K" series is Intel's way of making OCing safer and more reliable. But other than that, I'm stuck within the turbo limits. Gotcha.

Hmm. So I have a decision before me, then.

Thanks for the help! :)
 
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Not really, more a method of making money, but it forces the safer effect, yes.
 
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lol, yeah. Considering going to the K version of the chip I selected and an appropriate board would run me nearly an extra $100...
especially since before OCing, they have very similar performance.

How do AMD cpus overclock? any easier/cheaper? :p (probably should've just set this to a forum topic instead of a question/answer)
 
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AMD CPUs are cheaper on the platform side but you need better cooling to actually do it.
 
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You also have to overclock the AMD FX 8320 or 8350 to 4.5Ghz+ to equal an i5 or i7 at stock speeds. The only tasks the AMD CPUs beat Intel in are video encoding and only then with certain programs. In gaming Intel chips run away and hide. AMD can't even find them much less catch them.

But you don't really need exceptional cooling to overclock AMD. Not compared to Haswell. And all AMD chips still will overclock.
 
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Okay. So I will stick to Intel, as I originally thought. If I don't NEED to overclock, I won't. Still need to decide if that $100 is worth it for the k chip, then.

Thanks again :)
 
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