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November 28, 2013 12:44:25 PM

I'm looking at either getting the 4670k or the 4770k really soon. I found the i5 for $200 and the i7 for $250, just debating which one I should get. I'm torn between the two because I'm a gamer and people have told me that the i5 is great, but will have trouble ALT-TABing and/or multitasking in general. I am considering paying the extra $50 so I don't have to worry, but I'm still undecided if it's worth it.

Now for my main question: How high can I OC either CPU with the stock cooler? Paying that much, I really don't want to have to pay for another cooler. I am still debating on whether or not to OC in the first place, but I'd like to know what I can get out of the stock.

Also, how can I know if my RAM will fit a new motherboard? I'm going to be purchasing a bundle that comes with an ASUS Z87-A (SLI) ATX, and I'm coming from some crappy Lenovo one my computer came with. I have 8GB RAM, but from what I've been told is that there is a chance I might have to replace the RAM as well. Is this true? How can I know for sure before purchasing?

Sorry about sounding unfamiliar with things; I'm completely new to replacing a CPU and motherboard and this will be the first time I've done it.

Thanks for any help!

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November 28, 2013 1:06:25 PM

You won't get far on a stock cooler. In fact I wouldn't overclock at all on stock cooling. If in doubt, get the i7, it's better to have hyperthreading you don't need (and can turn off) than to need hyperthreading you have.

If it's old DDR3, it will *probably* work. They have been putting slots in both RAM and motherboard slots for years. If it's totally incompatible, it shouldn't physically fit into the RAM slot.

That being said, your motherboard should have a list available on line of particular RAM that has been tested and found stable with the motherboard. (Although I almost never check them, because I have had unlisted RAM work again and again.)





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November 28, 2013 1:09:39 PM

Hi! Maybe I'm not the best one to help you, but I'll do my best to help!
If I'm not mistaken, the i7 4770k has hyper-threading due to its i7 heritage, while the i5 doesn't. I MAY BE WRONG and I'm sorry if I am.
Plus, the 4770k is clocked at 3.5GHz and goes up to 3.9GHz, while the i5 is clocked at 3.4, and goes up to 3.8
So, if you don't mind spending an extra 50$, you'd be a bit better served with the i7 - again, I'm no enthusiast nor an expert, so I may be wrong.
About your new Motherboard and RAM problem, you may or may not have a problem You'd have to check the frequency on your current RAM and then check if the MoBo 'accepts' it. You should be ok if your RAM is 1333MHz, 1600MHz or 1866MHz.

Overclocking... I'm not sure if I can help. But you should really get a NOT stock cooler to overclock. This is just a guess, but with stock cooler you'll probably reach the 3.6 - 3.7 mark. (with luck)

Again, sorry if I'm mistaken in any way, and sorry about the OC part. Never done it in a CPU. But if you get one of those and you want to OC it, stress-test it 100 - 50MHz at a time and keep an eye on the temperature. Dont let ir go over the 80ºC mark - dont know how much in Fº

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November 28, 2013 1:29:27 PM

Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.
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November 28, 2013 1:31:50 PM

Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will see a difference and overclocking is not needed.

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November 28, 2013 1:35:44 PM

Z1NONLY said:
Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will see a difference and overclocking is not needed.



I'm really leaning towards the i7 and ASUS Z87-A for $318.98. It sounds to me like a good deal and I'm thinking that in the future I would benefit from it by overclocking it later on with a new cooler. Is there any good coolers that aren't water/liquid type that is around $50 and under?

Thanks!
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November 28, 2013 1:36:02 PM

Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will notice. And honestly, I dont think you'd need to overclock. 3.4 or 3.5 is more than enough.
My i5, clocked @ 3.1GHz, doesn't have any problems running stuff smoothly :p  You'll probably be ok :) 
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November 28, 2013 1:38:53 PM

Noiziv said:
Z1NONLY said:
Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will see a difference and overclocking is not needed.



I'm really leaning towards the i7 and ASUS Z87-A for $318.98. It sounds to me like a good deal and I'm thinking that in the future I would benefit from it by overclocking it later on with a new cooler. Is there any good coolers that aren't water/liquid type that is around $50 and under?

Thanks!


CoolerMaster hyper 212 evo is one of the top values for air cooling.

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November 28, 2013 1:40:00 PM

Z1NONLY said:
You won't get far on a stock cooler. In fact I wouldn't overclock at all on stock cooling. If in doubt, get the i7, it's better to have hyperthreading you don't need (and can turn off) than to need hyperthreading you have.

If it's old DDR3, it will *probably* work. They have been putting slots in both RAM and motherboard slots for years. If it's totally incompatible, it shouldn't physically fit into the RAM slot.

That being said, your motherboard should have a list available on line of particular RAM that has been tested and found stable with the motherboard. (Although I almost never check them, because I have had unlisted RAM work again and again.)







B_Days said:
Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will notice. And honestly, I dont think you'd need to overclock. 3.4 or 3.5 is more than enough.
My i5, clocked @ 3.1GHz, doesn't have any problems running stuff smoothly :p  You'll probably be ok :) 


So you would suggest the i7 just in case the hyperthreading may need to be used? In what instances would I need it? Would this be beneficial for streaming games to Twitch, or is that unrelated?

Thank you both for your help! I really appreciate hearing other peoples' opinions.
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November 28, 2013 1:43:27 PM

Noiziv said:
Z1NONLY said:
You won't get far on a stock cooler. In fact I wouldn't overclock at all on stock cooling. If in doubt, get the i7, it's better to have hyperthreading you don't need (and can turn off) than to need hyperthreading you have.

If it's old DDR3, it will *probably* work. They have been putting slots in both RAM and motherboard slots for years. If it's totally incompatible, it shouldn't physically fit into the RAM slot.

That being said, your motherboard should have a list available on line of particular RAM that has been tested and found stable with the motherboard. (Although I almost never check them, because I have had unlisted RAM work again and again.)







B_Days said:
Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will notice. And honestly, I dont think you'd need to overclock. 3.4 or 3.5 is more than enough.
My i5, clocked @ 3.1GHz, doesn't have any problems running stuff smoothly :p  You'll probably be ok :) 


So you would suggest the i7 just in case the hyperthreading may need to be used? In what instances would I need it? Would this be beneficial for streaming games to Twitch, or is that unrelated?

Thank you both for your help! I really appreciate hearing other peoples' opinions.


Hyper-Threading Technology allows processors to intelligently schedule the tasks that are performed by a single core to make data processing more efficient. So yeah, you would benefit from it. If you're playinga power demanding game and streaming and skyping, and recording, you'll benefit from it, because it schedules the tasks for a better performance :p 
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November 28, 2013 2:24:01 PM

B_Days said:
Noiziv said:
Z1NONLY said:
You won't get far on a stock cooler. In fact I wouldn't overclock at all on stock cooling. If in doubt, get the i7, it's better to have hyperthreading you don't need (and can turn off) than to need hyperthreading you have.

If it's old DDR3, it will *probably* work. They have been putting slots in both RAM and motherboard slots for years. If it's totally incompatible, it shouldn't physically fit into the RAM slot.

That being said, your motherboard should have a list available on line of particular RAM that has been tested and found stable with the motherboard. (Although I almost never check them, because I have had unlisted RAM work again and again.)







B_Days said:
Noiziv said:
Is it necessary to overclock? I've never overclocked before, and I'm afraid to screw up. I'm upgrading from an i7 860 @ 2.8GHz so would I see much of a difference without overclocking? I'm thinking of buying it and not overclocking until I can afford a new cooler.


You will notice. And honestly, I dont think you'd need to overclock. 3.4 or 3.5 is more than enough.
My i5, clocked @ 3.1GHz, doesn't have any problems running stuff smoothly :p  You'll probably be ok :) 


So you would suggest the i7 just in case the hyperthreading may need to be used? In what instances would I need it? Would this be beneficial for streaming games to Twitch, or is that unrelated?

Thank you both for your help! I really appreciate hearing other peoples' opinions.


Hyper-Threading Technology allows processors to intelligently schedule the tasks that are performed by a single core to make data processing more efficient. So yeah, you would benefit from it. If you're playinga power demanding game and streaming and skyping, and recording, you'll benefit from it, because it schedules the tasks for a better performance :p 


Sounds good, I really appreciate both of your guys' help!
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