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November 29, 2013 7:45:08 AM

Hello guys, thank you ahead of time for answering my questions.

I currently have a saphire 7870 ghz edition, 3570k, 8gb ram, and GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1155 - GA-Z77X-UD3H. 700 watt thermaltake psu

This card has been running fine, but I feel its nearing its limits, for 1080p 60 frame gaming at ultra. So here is my question, What is the best course of action if I want to improve my gaming performance.

(here are my thoughts, I dont know much so go easy)
-I see alot of talk about mantle, and its potential to make cards work much faster, but I wonder how significant the jump is, because nvidia doesn't seem to be concerned. Also (this may be unrelated but) i wonder if something like steam os, will bring the same type of performance improvements regardless of you are using ...

-will mantle only work on new cards? or my card also. (does it even matter?)

-I know physx is a gimmick, but I want the most computer games have to offer, my though process was to lean towards nvidia for my next upgrade to get phys-x and the more frequent driver updates. But considering both consoles run amd, im thinking developers will make the games run better on amd cards by default.

-my budget is 300 ish dollars. (so im considering r9 270x and 280x or 670 possibly 660)

Thoughts?
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November 29, 2013 7:52:52 AM

Mantle is limited to games that are made for it, including and not limited to, EA's line of upcoming games that use the Frostbite 3 Engine. It has not been proven to give significant performance increase yet, though I think it will.

Mantle will work with any card using AMD's GCN architecture, which includes your 7870.

You'll probably be fine Crossfiring with another 7870 or 270x. That would outperform any single $300 card given the game uses Crossfire.

If you don't want to Crossfire, the R9 280x or GTX 770 are the best for around $300.
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November 29, 2013 7:55:27 AM

huilun02 said:
Mantle is limited to games that are made for it, including and not limited to, EA's line of upcoming games that use the Frostbite 3 Engine. It has not been proven to give significant performance increase yet, though I think it will.

Mantle will work with any card using AMD's GCN architecture, which includes your 7870.

You'll probably be fine Crossfiring with another 7870 or 270x. That would outperform any single $300 card given the game uses Crossfire.

If you don't want to Crossfire, the R9 280x or GTX 770 are the best for around $300.


+1
crossfire 7870
if you want to pay 300$ add 100$ more and get r9-290
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November 29, 2013 7:57:55 AM

huilun02 said:
Mantle is limited to games that are made for it, including and not limited to, EA's line of upcoming games that use the Frostbite 3 Engine. It has not been proven to give significant performance increase yet, though I think it will.

Mantle will work with any card using AMD's GCN architecture, which includes your 7870.

You'll probably be fine Crossfiring with another 7870 or 270x. That would outperform any single $300 card given the game uses Crossfire.

If you don't want to Crossfire, the R9 280x or GTX 770 are the best for around $300.


From what I can tell the HD series cards are mantle ready but they would need a bios flash to fully work. Thus the reason why AMD has launched rebrands of the same cards.

As for the question, if you are able to you should try to avoid CF / SLI unless you only play a few certain games that you know fully support it. There are a lot of headaches with CF / SLI setups in a lot of games. My suggestion would be a single 280x or 770 as huilun02 suggested.

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November 29, 2013 8:01:59 AM

Thanks for the fast replies,

yes crossfire would be an alternative, would it compare to a r9 280x?

And yea I herd to avoid sli/crossfire setups,but out of curiousity, is it possible to crossfire with the newer cards?

and what are your thoughts on nvidia?

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November 29, 2013 8:06:08 AM

We don't know what Mantle will offer, and there are a lot of people with delusions of grandeur, so don't get overly hyped up about it. It could be great, it might not be. Ultimately, if you want to know, you'll have to wait to see what BF4 does, and even then, it is only a taste. With all the time spent on it, they may make it work better than it will in future games (it could improve over time as well).

Now you also didn't mention G-sync. Another Nvidia feature that will be available Q1 2014. This will be a huge break through in display technology, making it so the display syncs to the GPU, rather than the other way around, allowing for no tearing, like Vsync, without stutter or latency. The downside to this tech is you have to buy a new monitor when they are made available. This tech has been seen in person by a lot of people at some tech conventions. It is the real deal, and we know it.

If you don't need to upgrade now, I'd wait until early next year to see what happens with BF4 and Mantle, and see about G-sync if you aren't impressed.
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November 29, 2013 8:18:26 AM

Thats very interesting considering 7870 are under 200 right now. I might have to go crossfire. Although when I research about it most people say to steer clear. final thoughts?

Hey bystander, what do you mean by wait for bf4, Its already out and it runs great on my card.
black flag on the other hand does not. Now is this thanks to mantle?
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November 29, 2013 8:25:35 AM

kasai Mampuya said:
Thats very interesting considering 7870 are under 200 right now. I might have to go crossfire. Although when I research about it most people say to steer clear. final thoughts?

Hey bystander, what do you mean by wait for bf4, Its already out and it runs great on my card.
black flag on the other hand does not. Now is this thanks to mantle?


BF4 doesn't use Mantle yet. It will in a couple months. At that point you can find out if Mantle is a tech worth waiting for.

If you just want an upgrade today, then go for it, but Black Friday sales are usually no better than after Christmas sales, so if it is about wanting a big sale, you can wait. If it is about getting something before Christmas, then go for it.

Then there is the G-sync tech, which if you buy a 7970 now, you will be locked out of getting G-sync. So my recommendation is to wait unless you need to buy now.
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November 29, 2013 8:28:55 AM

Thanks for everyone's help, Ill sit on this for a while then, Im interested to see what mantle has to offer. The dual Gpu seems to be where im gona go, but that will depend on g-sync, and how affordable it is.
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November 29, 2013 8:29:35 AM

kasai Mampuya said:
Thats very interesting considering 7870 are under 200 right now. I might have to go crossfire. Although when I research about it most people say to steer clear. final thoughts?

Hey bystander, what do you mean by wait for bf4, Its already out and it runs great on my card.
black flag on the other hand does not. Now is this thanks to mantle?


Mantle has not been enabled in Battlefield 4 yet. The game will receive a patch in December (date not announced) that will allow AMD cards like yours to use the Mantle API instead of DirectX to render the game.

Black Flag is poorly optimized for the PC. Runs piss poor no matter what card you have, at least for most people.
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November 29, 2013 8:34:51 AM

kasai Mampuya said:
Thanks for everyone's help, Ill sit on this for a while then, Im interested to see what mantle has to offer. The dual Gpu seems to be where im gona go, but that will depend on g-sync, and how affordable it is.


This is definitely what I'd do (sort of am doing). There are two big techs do out soon, one for each company. It just makes sense to wait and see how they'll perform before making a big choice.
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