New audio engineering PC, help bringing price down!

vinnie2k

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Hey guys,

I need to upgrade my PC for my mixing hobby. I recently tried to mix a 70+ track monster and playback was a nightmare.

I will use Reaper 64 bits on Windows 8.1.
My standard memory hogs are Alchemy and Komplete; the rest of my plugins seem to behave; my maximum number of tracks will probably be 100.

Here is my current build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4771 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.44 @ Mwave)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($132.67 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.94 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Newton R3 600W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($156.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1368.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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(I have an external disk for system backups and CrashPlan for data backups).

The problem is that without S&H I'm way above my puny budget: this build goes for around $1'300 in Switzerland, so I need your help reducing the costs without sacrificing too much of the performance.

My main concern is CPU (see example above); that is why I initially selected the i7 4771; I'm not too happy with the consumption, so would the i5 4670T (45W max TDP) also provide me with enough computing power?

RAM I'm not too concerned about - Reaper is very good at managing it and I'm not using a lot of RAM when I record / mix. I can always add the same memory kit to the existing one to go from 8 to 16GB.

Since I have an LGA1550 socket, I have a choice of the Q87, Z87 and H87 MB from Gigabyte (have one now, worked like a charm, why should I change?). I don't need/want overclocking and the Z platform has loads of extra "business" features I don't care for so I chose the H87.

The case and PSU are a bit of a mystery: do I really need something that expensive (including the PSU)? Couldn't an Integra R2 PSU + a Core 3000 USB 3.0 do the tirck? Or even a Sonata bundle (not sure which is the most recent one)?

SSD: I know Samsung from reputation but $140 for a 128GB drive is a lot. How about Sandisk or Kingston? If that's too cheap, how about Toshiba, for example the Q-Series HDTS212EZSTA?

Storage disk I am going for Green because I think I need quiet more than powerful, correct?

Do I really need a cooler if I don't overclock my CPU?

Monitors: there's so much choice! I think I can settle for 24", with good contrast and lighting. Resolution doesn't need to be so high since I can't see too well if it's too small :)

That's it. You know everything.

Help! :)
 

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN248H 23.8" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1071.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Faster and cheaper. You may want to consider a dedicated sound card.
 

mastrom101

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VN248H 23.8" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1071.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Faster and cheaper. You may want to consider a dedicated sound card.
 

vinnie2k

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Some of your parts are actually more expensive than mine :)

The Corsair case doesn't seem to be built with silence in mind (none of the Corsair cases I've looked at, in fact), and I do need a silent PC.
The PSU is only Bronze certified, the one I have in my list is Platinum certified - is there a big consumption difference between them? Worth the price difference?
About the CPU: can I get the computing power I need with a 45W max TDP CPU? I had the 4770K in mind but its max TDP is much higher (84W). Could I not use an i5 for what I need?
Also, I don't think I need 16GB RAM right now.

I have an external USB interface so no card necessary :)
 

vinnie2k

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Here is the current build:

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4570S 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87N Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.44 @ Mwave)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.03 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Newton R3 600W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.62 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $1052.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Not bad, but some of the questions still stand :)
 

vinnie2k

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Cheaper, but better?

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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($200.94 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec P280 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.89 @ B&H)
Total: $932.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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mastrom101

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Overall it appears to be cheaper. The corsair cases are sill fairly quiet. A bronze PSU is fine. Why is TDP a concern for you? If you don't need it, then purchase 8 GB.
 

vinnie2k

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Holy crap this thing looks huge :) Fanless cooler. Gotta do some research on those, especially durability/risks? Because if they're the same price and don't have more associated risk, they're a slam dunk. Thanks for the tip.
 

mastrom101

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For the price, you're not getting as much cooling performance as a fanned cooler (although I'm pretty sure you can buy one and attack it). In terms of the risk, there really isn't any. It's not a cooler to overclock with, however.

Paired with a quiet PSU and a case fan or two, you're going to have a silent PC.

Another case to consider:

http://thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001914

One of the quietest on the market.
 

vinnie2k

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So I've decided to take an i7 since I know I'm going to need computing power; plus, this is a PC like the one I'm typing on: good for the next 5-7 years.
I've also decided to invest a bit more on the monitor because I'm looking at it quite a bit during my spare time.

So here's the shopping list (some of the parts are most likely suboptimal because I live in Switzerland and not everything is available here):

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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($291.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($95.97 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec SONATA III 500 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply ($119.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($21.99 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($189.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1280.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Thoughts?
 

mastrom101

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.64 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($189.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($168.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1306.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Definitely worth the extra money.
 

vinnie2k

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I'd need the 330R case for its quiet characteristics (audio rig). I'd also need the CS or RM series PSU, which I can't afford - I guess I'll stick with the CX series :) I don't need the overclocking capabilities of the Z87 architecture so I'll stick to the H87 instead. I messed up and only need one monitor :)

The rest looks good. I'm still making changes to take other posters ' advice on other boards so I'll come back with an up-to-date build.
 

vinnie2k

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After looking up distributors in Switzerland, it looks like certain parts are harder to get / really more exepensive / not sure if the models are the same.

As a result, here's the latest build, for CHF 1339 @digitec.ch:

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($88.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 330R ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.07 @ TigerDirect)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12B FLX 59.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($21.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($276.11 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1236.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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