Finite Element Build

Dave 1988

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I am looking to build a computer (£1000 max)

The use will primarilly for Finite element programs that can use multiple cores

After spending many hours researching, I'm yet to take the plunge,

Below are a list of specs which i would appreciate comments on

One thing to note is that it is unlikely that i will upgrade this in the next few years and as such have no need for the latest 1150 socket processors unless of course hardware is cheaper and/or the price increase is actually worth it

cheapest i7 processor (i understand hyper threading actually works and isnt just a gimmic especially when resolving models and that they are generally better for this purpose) Though there is the i5 if the above statement is incorrect

AS rock extreme 4 Z87 mobo (cheap with good features?? wifi would have been nice )

4 x 4 GB RAM (1333Mhz) or does the higher speeds significantly improve performance

650W psu (corsair?)

Case - dont care as long as its robust and functional

GX card, the models themselves shouldnt be amazingly complicated however i wouldnt mind to be able to play some games (Not on top settings or anything) and i do not want to suffer lag moving models after spending so much money on it. I understand that noraml gx cards are appaling at CAD programs. But Proffesional cards are increadbly expensive (2 budget normal cards linked??)

SSD approx 100GB - Read/Write speeds good for resolving models, and generally are much better (I do have a mechanical one for storage)

I think that is everything.

I would appreciate your thoughts and recomendations on the above,
Cheers

Dave

 

Rammy

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If you have a program that can exploit the benefits of multithreading, then an i7 can offer pretty huge performance boosts over an i5, both due to Hyperthreading and increased L3 cache.
It's worth investigating any program specifics though, to see if someone has done the work for you and benchmarked CPUs.

You mention you don't need a 1150 processor, but you also mention the Z87 Extreme 4.
Couple of things to discuss here -
Firstly, If you just buy a basic i7 (or i5/i3 for that matter) that isn't a "k" series, then you probably don't need a Z series motherboard, as most of their value lies in overclocking potential and multiple graphics card support.
Secondly, Intel just swapped sockets, so it's likely if you buy "the cheapest i7" it'll probably be a 3770 (though in the UK right now it's the 3770K) which is socket 1155, meaning a B75, H77 or Z77 motherboard is what you need to go for.
Most ATX boards don't come with Wifi as standard as it's easy to stick in a card.

For memory, it really depends. In general 1600Mhz is the baseline as its universally supported and usually no more expensive than 1333Mhz. Just make sure to stick with 1.5V kits for increased compatibility.

PSU is really dependant on what you come up with overall. If you want to overclock, or find yourself buying a mid-high end graphics card, your PSU needs can escalate from a basic 400W entry level, right up to a 650W+.

Cases are pretty subjective and often bought on aesthetic reasons. Getting one with front USB3.0 is probably a nice feature to have for the future, outside of that you can spend anything from £30 to £300 depending on how much you value size/airflow/noise levels.

Graphics card is a bit tricky. Compared to their professional rivals, gaming cards aren't brilliant at CAD, but the CUDA cores of Nvidia cards have benchmarked them pretty decently relative to their vastly more expensive relatives.
Again, checking to see if the specific programs you use have been benchmarked with retail cards would be useful, and it's kinda hard to tell you what to spend. A £65 HD7750 will cover you for basic gaming and should have no issues with most display tasks. On the really demanding 3D stuff though, you might be better off with something like a £130 GTX660 (that's what I use for AutoCAD) or £180 GTX760, which will offer you both increased gaming and cad capabilities.
 

Dave 1988

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Core i5-4670 seems a good deal as The HT and Cache only marginally increase performance in bench marks.


CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£134.39 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£94.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Kingston XMP Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£96.59 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£123.74 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.50 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card (£130.39 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case (£88.36 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.67 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £782.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

This is the current deal.
 

Rammy

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Well you don't need a CPU cooler, or a Z87 motherboard really, both are only really needed for overclocking.
Dropping to a B85 or H87 board could save you over £40, and they still have good support for memory, SATA6, USB3.0 etc
Pretty much everything else is cool, though you might want to consider saving some money on the case. That thing is pretty huge and not cheap, and there are some fairly nice cases in the ~£55 range.

Antec Three Hundred Two - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-case-threehundredtwo
Bitfenix Shinobi - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-shinobi
Corsair 200R - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-200r
Corsair 300R - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-300r
Fractal Design Core 3000 - http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcacore3000usb3bl

I doubt you need to spend much more than that.
 

Dave 1988

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Rammy, thankyou for your help, it is much appreciated.

Below is the latest iteration of the build

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£136.79 @ Aria PC)

Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£67.50 @ Dabs)

Memory: Kingston XMP Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£96.59 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£122.66 @ Aria PC)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.50 @ Aria PC)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card (£130.39 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case: NZXT NZXT H230 White ATX Mid Tower ATX Mid Tower Case (£55.48 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.67 @ Amazon UK)

Total: £699.58

 

Rammy

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Looks very good.
The 256Gb SSD is a bit of a luxury but given what you are doing it's probably a good place to splash the cash.
I can't guarantee a GTX660 is going to perform brilliantly when it comes to really demanding CAD stuff, but it should hold up well relative to a similarly priced Quadro/Firepro card and be more versatile if you do want to play a few games here and there.