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December 4, 2013 9:34:05 AM

Hey guys, I'm planning to buy a new laptop. I'm on a tight budget so I went over to Dell's Business Laptop section to get the best deal possible. This is the quote which Dell sent me.

Dell Latitude 3540, CTO
Qty: 1
Unit Price Ex Tax:
60,076.54
Total Price:
60,076.54

Components
1 Intel Core i5-4200U (Dual Core, 1.60GHz, 3M cache, 15W)
1 EPEAT Bronze Registered / Energy Star 5.2 Qualified
1 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) Wide View Anti-Glare LED-backlit with Premium Panel Guarantee
1 Camera Included
1 Latitude 3540 Software Drivers
1 Safety, Environment, and Regulatory Information (English)
1 No Quick-Reference Guideline
1 System Shipment, Latitude 3540 Non-Touch
1 Latitude Configuration
1 8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3L Memory
1 1TB (5.400 Rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive
1 Internal / Non-Swappable Tray Load 8X DVD+/-RW
1 Power Cord for 3-pin Adapter (IND)
1 6-Cell Battery (65 WHr)
1 Intel Core i5 Processor Label
1 AMD Venus Pro 2GB GDDR5 Graphics
1 90W AC Adapter, 3-pin
1 Dell Wireless-N + Bluetooth 4.0
1 Latitude 3540 DW1705 Driver
1 Dell(TM) Chiclet Keyboard with Touchpad and Num Pad (English)
1 Visit http://support.dell.com/prosupport for technical support.
1 Battery Carries 1 Year Warranty from Invoice Date (unless select 3Yr warranted battery is
purchased)
1 FGA NB1-OS-BTO Freight Charges(India)

Software
1 No Resource DVD
1 Ubuntu 12.04 Long Term Support (LTS) SP1
2 Additional Software for Ubuntu
1 No Software
1 No Backup and Recovery option on N-series
1 No Anti-Virus Software

Service
1 No Installation Service Required
1 Technical Support
1 ProSupport: NBD Onsite Service, 3Yr
1 3Yr ProSupport: NBD Onsite Service
1 ProSupport: 7x24 Technical Support & Assistance: 3Yr
1 # Limited Warranty: Extended Year 2 - 3 (NBD)
1 # Limited Warranty: Extended Year 2 - 3 (POW)
1 # Limited Warranty: Initial Year (NBD)
1 # Limited Warranty: Initial Year (POW)

I love playing racing games. So obviously, I'm expecting this laptop to play Need For Speed Rivals at 30 FPS at Medium Settings.

The thing is that I have no idea how AMD Venus Pro 2GB GDDR5 is. All I know is that it's a workstation card and it wouldn't perform all that well when playing games. Still, people have said that it's a powerful card so I'm expecting it can run NFS Rivals.

What do you guys think?
December 4, 2013 9:42:16 AM

The CPU is quite weak, and I don't known about the GPU, if it will be able to run the game or not. I wouldn't purchase that Lappy.
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December 4, 2013 9:42:54 AM

Well, it's a 256-bit card with 680mhz core clock and memory clock at 3.6gbps.
Not the best for gaming definitely, but it should run NFS Rivals, paired with a proper CPU - yours here is pretty bad.
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December 4, 2013 9:46:56 AM

lonewolf7 said:
The CPU is quite weak, and I don't known about the GPU, if it will be able to run the game or not. I wouldn't purchase that Lappy.


The CPU is a 4th generation i5 processor which turbo boosts upto 2.60 GHz. It's not that weak, is it?
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December 4, 2013 9:48:46 AM

The Venus Pro (HD 8850M) has more shaders but a lower clock speed than a desktop HD7750. The two (shaders vs. clock) should roughly balance, so this card should provide performance equal to a HD7750, so if you can find out how NFS plays on that card, you should have an idea how it will play on the laptop.
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December 4, 2013 10:12:37 AM

cctmsp13 said:
The Venus Pro (HD 8850M) has more shaders but a lower clock speed than a desktop HD7750. The two (shaders vs. clock) should roughly balance, so this card should provide performance equal to a HD7750, so if you can find out how NFS plays on that card, you should have an idea how it will play on the laptop.


But isn't the Venus Pro a workstation card? People says it's optimized for AutoCAD and stuff and VBIOS is configured differently (i.e. not for gaming).
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December 4, 2013 10:15:31 AM

the drivers are abit different, which can lead to some few FPS less, but the chips in them are the same. (saw someone modding a gtx690 into a quadro card for drivers :p  )
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December 4, 2013 10:15:31 AM

the drivers are abit different, which can lead to some few FPS less, but the chips in them are the same. (saw someone modding a gtx690 into a quadro card for drivers :p  )
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December 4, 2013 10:15:54 AM

Yeah, it's a workstation card.
This laptop is not meant to play games on it.
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December 4, 2013 10:17:59 AM

JuX said:
Well, it's a 256-bit card with 680mhz core clock and memory clock at 3.6gbps.
Not the best for gaming definitely, but it should run NFS Rivals, paired with a proper CPU - yours here is pretty bad.


Memory clock? Do you mean Memory Bandwidth? Cuz that is 115.2GB/sec.
Processor is not as bad as you think. It's a 4th gen i5 processor which has a base frequency of 1.60 GHz for higher battery life but it turbo boosts upto 2.60 GHz.
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December 4, 2013 10:22:00 AM

Luka Prebil Grintal said:
the drivers are abit different, which can lead to some few FPS less, but the chips in them are the same. (saw someone modding a gtx690 into a quadro card for drivers :p  )


Yeah, I saw that too. But I won't be doing that. And few FPS less is okay, but since it's a fairly nice card, I think it should run NFS Rivals @ 30 fps cuz that's all that matters to me, LOL.
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December 4, 2013 10:26:51 AM

I think you can check the performance of your game and the requirements here: http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=7983&ga...
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December 5, 2013 11:53:28 AM

saurabh_goyal93 said:
lonewolf7 said:
The CPU is quite weak, and I don't known about the GPU, if it will be able to run the game or not. I wouldn't purchase that Lappy.


The CPU is a 4th generation i5 processor which turbo boosts upto 2.60 GHz. It's not that weak, is it?


Yes the CPU is that weak. Technically every Lappy has weaker CPU"s than Desktop CPU's regardless of generation.
And that GPU is not meant to play games, its a workstation card, as you already know this. If you want to play that only game in your entire life, then you are welcome. That game can be played in integrated graphics (Intel HD 4000), so you can play it, but what about other games ?

The entire specs of that Lappy is rubbish, don't go with it. And remember you will not be buying Lappy every week or month, so raise your fund and go for a good one, after all its a long term investment, right ?

Look here : http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/...

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December 7, 2013 6:45:40 AM

lonewolf7 said:
saurabh_goyal93 said:
lonewolf7 said:
The CPU is quite weak, and I don't known about the GPU, if it will be able to run the game or not. I wouldn't purchase that Lappy.


The CPU is a 4th generation i5 processor which turbo boosts upto 2.60 GHz. It's not that weak, is it?


Yes the CPU is that weak. Technically every Lappy has weaker CPU"s than Desktop CPU's regardless of generation.
And that GPU is not meant to play games, its a workstation card, as you already know this. If you want to play that only game in your entire life, then you are welcome. That game can be played in integrated graphics (Intel HD 4000), so you can play it, but what about other games ?

The entire specs of that Lappy is rubbish, don't go with it. And remember you will not be buying Lappy every week or month, so raise your fund and go for a good one, after all its a long term investment, right ?

Look here : http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/...



Intel HD 4000? You are kidding me, right?
My current laptop has Nvidia GeForce 540M 2GB DDR3 graphic card which can't attain 30fps in NFS Rivals at lowest settings.

I don't just wanna play NFS Rivals, but since I like racing games only, I'll be playing only this game this season.
I can't raise my fund more than 63000 INR. I'm just in college.
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December 7, 2013 11:18:50 AM

No I am not joking, I think you didn't see the link I posted, where it clearly states that the game can be played in Intel 4000 as minimum system requirements.

Now you have the clear picture of what Lappy GPU's are capable off, if you cant get desired FPS with 540M, then how could you imagine to play with Venus 2GB GPU with peace of mind.

You got a pretty handsome budget for a decent Lappy, research more, you will find better one. And if the Lapppy is not a must for you, then I would suggest you to go for a Desktop system, you can get a rocking system with that budget. Good luck.

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January 9, 2014 4:45:29 AM

The answers above are quite an exaggeration. You guys are out of your mind if you think "Venus Pro" is some kind of special workstation part. It's basically Radeon 8850M. It's advertized as such on AMDs web site. I don't know why Dell lists it as "Venus Pro". Venus Pro refers to the new GPU architecture, not the model of the GPU itself. If this is a workstation part, why does Dell include a decidedly non-workstation grade i5-4200U processor with it? Notebookcheck did a test of this laptop and it passed with flying colors, including in game tests running at a reduced resolution 1366x768 resolution:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-3540-...

The review is excellent and very thorough.

In my experience, the Dell Latitude line are more business oriented. The kind of laptops you can put on a desktop at a business meeting without looking like a dork. They're thinner and lighter, and actually better built, all in all slicker machines than the Inspiron line. The mobile Intel Core processors use the same architecture as the desktop processors. The cores are basically the same. The only difference is that they're clocked slower to preserve power. (well that, and the mobile i5 and low power i7 CPUs are actually dual core with hyperthreading unlike the desktop parts).

Now in the portable space there are two kinds of CPUs, 15-17watt and 35watt TDP CPUs. The i5-4200U is the 15watt part, while the i5-4200M is 35watt. Yes, the U models are slower, but not by much. There were so many improvements in the IPC of Intel Core CPUs that I wouldn't be surprised if the i5-4200U is roughly comparable to a desktop i3 from a 2-3 years ago or a 35watt TDP i5 from a couple of years ago. For games or anything more CPU intensive, I'd prefer the M part (35watt TDP), but if the laptop happens to be overall very nice, I might consider it with a U part. You get 20-25% less pure CPU performance, but longer batter and quieter fan.

I am actually surprised with the price of this laptop on Dells web site. $779 for a laptop with an IPS 1920x1080p screen, high end graphics, and ULV i5 CPU that can run Battlefield 4 at med settings and Crysis 3 at low settings sounds great to me. To be fair, for $800-ish there may be machines with similar performance available, but most come with a lower resolution, non-IPS, or otherwise relatively a garbage screen. While 1366x768 looks good enough in games on 15 inch screen, 1080p is a must for web browsing, editing text, and pictures and other graphics.

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January 9, 2014 10:47:32 AM

jacobian said:
The answers above are quite an exaggeration. You guys are out of your mind if you think "Venus Pro" is some kind of special workstation part. It's basically Radeon 8850M. It's advertized as such on AMDs web site. I don't know why Dell lists it as "Venus Pro". Venus Pro refers to the new GPU architecture, not the model of the GPU itself. If this is a workstation part, why does Dell include a decidedly non-workstation grade i5-4200U processor with it? Notebookcheck did a test of this laptop and it passed with flying colors, including in game tests running at a reduced resolution 1366x768 resolution:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-3540-...

The review is excellent and very thorough.

In my experience, the Dell Latitude line are more business oriented. The kind of laptops you can put on a desktop at a business meeting without looking like a dork. They're thinner and lighter, and actually better built, all in all slicker machines than the Inspiron line. The mobile Intel Core processors use the same architecture as the desktop processors. The cores are basically the same. The only difference is that they're clocked slower to preserve power. (well that, and the mobile i5 and low power i7 CPUs are actually dual core with hyperthreading unlike the desktop parts).

Now in the portable space there are two kinds of CPUs, 15-17watt and 35watt TDP CPUs. The i5-4200U is the 15watt part, while the i5-4200M is 35watt. Yes, the U models are slower, but not by much. There were so many improvements in the IPC of Intel Core CPUs that I wouldn't be surprised if the i5-4200U is roughly comparable to a desktop i3 from a 2-3 years ago or a 35watt TDP i5 from a couple of years ago. For games or anything more CPU intensive, I'd prefer the M part (35watt TDP), but if the laptop happens to be overall very nice, I might consider it with a U part. You get 20-25% less pure CPU performance, but longer batter and quieter fan.

I am actually surprised with the price of this laptop on Dells web site. $779 for a laptop with an IPS 1920x1080p screen, high end graphics, and ULV i5 CPU that can run Battlefield 4 at med settings and Crysis 3 at low settings sounds great to me. To be fair, for $800-ish there may be machines with similar performance available, but most come with a lower resolution, non-IPS, or otherwise relatively a garbage screen. While 1366x768 looks good enough in games on 15 inch screen, 1080p is a must for web browsing, editing text, and pictures and other graphics.



Thanks for such an informative reply. Have you been a little bit early, I would have definitely chose Dell Latitude 3540, but I changed my decision to a cheaper Dell Inspiron 15 and getting a PS4 for games.
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March 2, 2014 9:21:14 AM

That gpu is equal to or better then the nvidia gtx660m cpu should be fine example plays ffxiv standard settings 1600x900 res 40+ fps

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