Help on a $500 build, using the bitfenix prodigy

Bryant Caceres

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Hey there guys, a buddy of mine is looking for a $500 build using mini-itx mobos, for a gaming rig. He wants a small form factor build. It would be mostly used as a gaming rig, and for college stuff, youtube, things like that.

Approximate Purchase Date: He will be buying the parts as the money becomes available to him, probably over the course of the next few weeks.


Budget Range: Around $500 the cheaper the better (his words)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, internet, movies, school work.

Are you buying a monitor: No.

Location: Manhattan, Ny, Usa

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, if he can afford it.

Your Monitor Resolution: He has an oldish monitor atm, he will most likely upgrade after the finishes the build.

Additional Comments: He's looking for a small form factor build, but also something that he will be able to up[grade from.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: He's using a $200 laptop atm, the damn thing cant handle anything.
 
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The Bitfenix Prodigy isn't that small (I have two). It's very wide for a "small" case, and you need extra clearance(s) to accommodate things like the I/O panel on the side.
Another point that hasn't been addressed is Wifi. If you want it, it'll cost you, as you need to include it in the motherboard specs (no room for a PCIe card).

You are looking at something like this for best value $500 -
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard:...

AceOfDiamonds

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Maybe something like this

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CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($77.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M-ITX Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $447.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-04 22:35 EST-0500)
 

Bryant Caceres

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Thanks for the parts list. I have a question say if later on he wants to upgrade this build, will this build hold up for an upgrade. Also whats the next best graphics card that we can put into this build. Just to give him an option if he wants to put a little more money into the build.
 

AceOfDiamonds

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The case price jumped back up $30 bucks. Anyways, the first upgrade I suggest is the CPU. You can upgrade to any Ivy bridge lga 1155 CPU like a Core i5 3570k. Then you can go for a better GPU like a radeon 7870 or 7950 or gtx 760. Make sure you check to see if these things can fit in your case.
 

Rammy

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The case is the thing that is holding you back, in terms of performance.

AceofDiamonds has the right idea in that his build you can upgrade the CPU+graphics card, it's hard to do better for the price.

The best machine you can build for $500 is significantly better than that though, ITX motherboards are more expensive than their mATX versions, and the case is quite expensive too.
For the same price you should be able to get a solid quad core and something like a HD7870. It's the case that holds you back.
 

Bryant Caceres

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Yea I've explained that to this guy, he just has his heart set on a tiny case. Can you mock up a quick parts list for the $500 build you have in mind.
 

Bryant Caceres

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If we go with the i5 3570k what would we gain?

Can you mock up a parts list with the i5 3570k in it, with the same case.
 

Rammy

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The Bitfenix Prodigy isn't that small (I have two). It's very wide for a "small" case, and you need extra clearance(s) to accommodate things like the I/O panel on the side.
Another point that hasn't been addressed is Wifi. If you want it, it'll cost you, as you need to include it in the motherboard specs (no room for a PCIe card).

You are looking at something like this for best value $500 -
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.13 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($160.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $493.74
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-05 22:58 EST-0500)
Dramatically better CPU and a decent GPU upgrade over Ace's build. You could go with FM2 platform and the X4 750/760, but you don't save much over the AM3+, and it's not as flexible.



The 3570k requires a Z77 motherboard and a CPU cooler to utilize it's value, which is more expense.
To illustrate the point -
THIS BUILD IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.96 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.26 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z77IA-E53 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.13 @ OutletPC)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (Orange) Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $582.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-05 23:07 EST-0500)
That's about as cheap as you can make a 3570k in a Prodigy, it doesn't even have a graphics card included and it's already $80 over budget. Add in a sensibly balanced graphics card, and you are looking at more like an $800 build than a $500.

The first build I linked you isn't huge, but it's a standard PC tower. You can attempt to shrink it by going to the mATX format, but it really isn't worth it as AMD builds just don't work at smaller form factors. If you attempt to transition to Intel, you end up back where you started but with an extra $60 or so to play with from savings on the case and motherboard. Here's the best I can do-
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CPU: Intel Core i3-3240 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($120.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ECS B75H2-M3(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.13 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($160.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $495.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-05 23:16 EST-0500)
It should perform fairly similarly to the AMD build, and it's a bit smaller, but I can't honestly say it is a good choice.
 
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Bryant Caceres

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Thanks for all the information Rammy! I'll see what this guy decides to go with.