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Building Gaming PC for Next-Generation Games at Max Settings, Where to Start

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December 9, 2013 11:27:28 AM

Hello Again,
I posted yesterday with some presumptions about a build I had been entertaining. The overall goal is to run new games, at max settings, for the next few years. I quickly realized that I was very uninformed, and in no position to determine how to accomplish this. So I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where to start, and perhaps help me create a build that will accomplish this. I have no experience, and no parts yet. I need to select a processor, graphics card, and motherboard, first and foremost. Thanks.

Approximate Purchase Date: Early-Mid 2014

Budget Range: Maximum of $3000 USD

System Usage: High resolution, multi-screen gaming

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, multiple

Parts to Buy: All

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Location: Washington, D.C. (USA)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: Undecided

Additional Comments: Quiet would be nice

Overall Goal: Run next-gen games like Watch Dogs and Battlefield 4 on Max settings, and create a PC that will last several years.

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December 9, 2013 11:34:01 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hHS0


Leaves you with $800 to spend on monitors and should demolish anything you put in front of it.
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December 9, 2013 11:37:18 AM

Supahos said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hHS0


Leaves you with $800 to spend on monitors and should demolish anything you put in front of it.


Wow, that was fast, and a good suggestion. Only question: why the 4770K? I still can't seem to determine why there are so many i7 processor options, and what the effect is on my build. EDIT: fixed typo.
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December 9, 2013 11:37:51 AM

just geta 270x instead
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December 9, 2013 11:40:35 AM

nddz said:
just geta 270x instead


on a $3,000 budget? you can't run multiple screens at 1080 with that card or even close to it.




If you want it to be able to play the next gen games (and with your budget I assume you want the best) then I would want the extra threads for the future. That rig will play anything out today maxed out and should do anything you ask of it (short of multi screen 4k gaming) for a long time... not sure even two 780 TIs will handle 3 screens of 4k.
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December 9, 2013 11:59:28 AM

Gutlesswolverine said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hI7N
Go for titan as you will be using multiple screens


So, a Titan is a better long-term strategy than the 780 ti?

Also, what is the significance of the mobo change from the Asus Maximus VI to the ASRock Z87 Extreme4?
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December 9, 2013 12:00:55 PM

I'm thinking that the best idea is to get one titan, then upgrade to two of them with SLI in some years when that becomes a necessity. Is that a workable strategy?
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December 9, 2013 12:07:36 PM

Lowie1771 said:
Gutlesswolverine said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hI7N
Go for titan as you will be using multiple screens


So, a Titan is a better long-term strategy than the 780 ti?

Also, what is the significance of the mobo change from the Asus Maximus VI to the ASRock Z87 Extreme4?



cheaper, and less OC potential, but its not a bad board.

As for the titan vs 780TI its kind of a toss up the 780 is a good bit faster on a single rig I'm not sure its been proven one way or the other on multi screen rigs. Just know whatever you do (780ti or titan) when(if) you add a second one you'll need a new power supply most likely. I still think I would go with the 780 Ti but His argument isn't without merit.

I suspect he wanted to save a few bucks b/c upgrading to the titan hurt your monitor budget pretty bad.

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December 9, 2013 12:13:51 PM

Supahos said:

cheaper, and less OC potential, but its not a bad board.

As for the titan vs 780TI its kind of a toss up the 780 is a good bit faster on a single rig I'm not sure its been proven one way or the other on multi screen rigs. Just know whatever you do (780ti or titan) when(if) you add a second one you'll need a new power supply most likely. I still think I would go with the 780 Ti but His argument isn't without merit.

I suspect he wanted to save a few bucks b/c upgrading to the titan hurt your monitor budget pretty bad.



If I'm going to need to get a new power supply, perhaps my interests would be best served simply investing in a more powerful one from the get-go?
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December 9, 2013 12:18:09 PM

What supahos is saying is right. Titan hurt your monitor budget.
But in the long run, it will help you. After maybe a couple of years, you can add another titan in sli and get a badass gaming rig.
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December 9, 2013 12:19:36 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hJ9D

okay then try that lol. 1000W of 80gold PS for slightly less. Not a huge fan of the colors on it but if I remember correctly you can turn them off.
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December 9, 2013 12:23:26 PM

Gutlesswolverine said:
What supahos is saying is right. Titan hurt your monitor budget.
But in the long run, it will help you. After maybe a couple of years, you can add another titan in sli and get a badass gaming rig.


Supahos said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hJ9D

okay then try that lol. 1000W of 80gold PS for slightly less. Not a huge fan of the colors on it but if I remember correctly you can turn them off.


Seems solid, any concerns with the RAM exceeding the recommended voltage for the Haswell or is that not an issue?
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December 9, 2013 12:26:11 PM

That is a non issue. Will run that way for the next 5 years and never know it. That is some big time fast memory and pretty dang cheap right now too for some reason considering its 16 gb.
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December 9, 2013 12:28:10 PM

Forgive me if im stupid, but wouldn't the titan help him better on a 3 monitor rig?
Supahos, great build +1.
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December 9, 2013 12:28:30 PM

Supahos said:
That is a non issue. Will run that way for the next 5 years and never know it. That is some big time fast memory and pretty dang cheap right now too for some reason considering its 16 gb.


Very cool. Any particular reason the Rosewill 1000W power supply is cheaper than the Seasonic at 850W? That doesn't seem right
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December 9, 2013 12:34:24 PM

Seasonic is THE number one name in Powersupplies and therefore they demand a premium. Rosewill makes some garbage supplies(the one listed is not a garbage supply, just saying rosewill does make a few cheap ones that are't 80+ rated at all), but the 80 Gold supplies are all tested thoroughly enough that none of them are bad supplies or they wouldn't meet the required specs.


I dont' disagree with the titan argument, I just couldn't figure out a way to fit it into the budget and still leave room for 3 monitors, without skimping on something else that would help. A $3000 budget sounds limitless, but at the end of the day I guess it doesn't matter what the budget is you still end up making decisions :) 
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December 9, 2013 12:44:27 PM

Supahos said:
Seasonic is THE number one name in Powersupplies and therefore they demand a premium. Rosewill makes some garbage supplies(the one listed is not a garbage supply, just saying rosewill does make a few cheap ones that are't 80+ rated at all), but the 80 Gold supplies are all tested thoroughly enough that none of them are bad supplies or they wouldn't meet the required specs.


I dont' disagree with the titan argument, I just couldn't figure out a way to fit it into the budget and still leave room for 3 monitors, without skimping on something else that would help. A $3000 budget sounds limitless, but at the end of the day I guess it doesn't matter what the budget is you still end up making decisions :) 


Well I suppose I should clarify that I'm only going to get one monitor to start with XD sorry, I should have made that clear earlier. So advice on which monitor to get is welcome here as well, thanks!
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December 9, 2013 12:53:03 PM

Oh if you only want to buy 1 monitor with that budget then you've made this much easier....

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hK8b

Uses a titan, 1000w power supply if u want to sli later, and includes a 27" monitor, Widows 8.1, and a Blu ray drive/dvd/cd burner
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December 9, 2013 12:58:05 PM

Supahos said:
Oh if you only want to buy 1 monitor with that budget then you've made this much easier....

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hK8b

Uses a titan, 1000w power supply if u want to sli later, and includes a 27" monitor, Widows 8.1, and a Blu ray drive/dvd/cd burner


Excellent suggestion. Although I'd 86 the optical drive; I don't plan on doing anything with disks at all really. And I think I have some Windows lying around, although I will need an OEM copy for this, right?
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December 9, 2013 12:59:53 PM

Also, I've heard good things about getting 2 smaller SSDs and RAID-ing them together, so I think that should be a consideration.
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December 9, 2013 1:01:21 PM

Yes you will need another licence and hell I didn't know if you might watch a blu ray on it at some point, or needed it to install the windows from the beginning so if I'm doing a complete build I always toss one in just in case. you could also upgrade to a 500gb SSD and stay on budget if you choose to do so. OEM is cheaper, but you can't change many parts on your computer before Microsoft deems it a new computer and you're SOL. I'm not sure what triggers a new computer to them but sometimes they are pretty ticky.
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December 9, 2013 1:02:49 PM

Lowie1771 said:
Also, I've heard good things about getting 2 smaller SSDs and RAID-ing them together, so I think that should be a consideration.


This is a little bit faster though honestly with the newer Samsung SSDs (like the one I have listed in your build) it will be insanely fast either way. I don't fully trust SSDs so two of them having to both function perfectly in order for my system to work is not something I'd desire lol, but that is just me.
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December 9, 2013 1:19:01 PM

Supahos said:
Lowie1771 said:
Also, I've heard good things about getting 2 smaller SSDs and RAID-ing them together, so I think that should be a consideration.


This is a little bit faster though honestly with the newer Samsung SSDs (like the one I have listed in your build) it will be insanely fast either way. I don't fully trust SSDs so two of them having to both function perfectly in order for my system to work is not something I'd desire lol, but that is just me.


An option to mitigate that concern is to raid 1 them so that there's always redundancy. Doesn't improve performance though.
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December 9, 2013 1:22:51 PM

I think a raid 1 setup with SSDs is silly, much easier to just have it auto backup to a platter drive at 4 am or something every day, that costs you maybe half as much and its actually a safer setup since its not also on a ssd :p 
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December 9, 2013 1:26:05 PM

Supahos said:
I think a raid 1 setup with SSDs is silly, much easier to just have it auto backup to a platter drive at 4 am or something every day, that costs you maybe half as much and its actually a safer setup since its not also on a ssd :p 


Yeah, that's a much better suggestion than fofo's. I have a 1TB HDD that I'll use as my main media storage, then one or two SSD's for the OS and games and the 2TB for backups.
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December 9, 2013 2:44:07 PM

Supahos said:
I think a raid 1 setup with SSDs is silly, much easier to just have it auto backup to a platter drive at 4 am or something every day, that costs you maybe half as much and its actually a safer setup since its not also on a ssd :p 


You're right, I'd never recommend doing that, but if your had an extreme paranoia about SSDs failing it might make you sleep better.

In my system I have all of my SSDs housing my OS and game library, while a 3TB houses all of my backups. I'd much rather have to go through the slight inconvenience of having to restore manually than effectively waste an SSD on raid 1.

HOWEVER, I'd argue that raid 1 is safer than a backup. The chances of both your SSDs breaking at the same time is effectively none. And raid 1 perfectly replicates the drive, rather than many backup utilities only saving your data, leaving you to reinstall all the programs after a failure.
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December 9, 2013 2:51:27 PM

Lowie1771 said:
Hello Again,
I posted yesterday with some presumptions about a build I had been entertaining. The overall goal is to run new games, at max settings, for the next few years. I quickly realized that I was very uninformed, and in no position to determine how to accomplish this. So I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where to start, and perhaps help me create a build that will accomplish this. I have no experience, and no parts yet. I need to select a processor, graphics card, and motherboard, first and foremost. Thanks.

Approximate Purchase Date: Early-Mid 2014

Budget Range: Maximum of $3000 USD

System Usage: High resolution, multi-screen gaming

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, multiple

Parts to Buy: All

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Location: Washington, D.C. (USA)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: Undecided

Additional Comments: Quiet would be nice

Overall Goal: Run next-gen games like Watch Dogs and Battlefield 4 on Max settings, and create a PC that will last several years.


You only need a i5 for gaming
Not really fond of the titan at this point btw
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December 9, 2013 2:59:54 PM

Might run out of Vmemory if he truly goes "high resolution multi screen" (1440p or 4k later) so I think the titan would be a better choice and it does fit in his budget. And the I5s already have a bit of an issue running BF4 maxxed out, the I7s already show a bit of a boost that gap isn't going to get smaller in the "next few years" as he mentioned.
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December 9, 2013 3:49:15 PM

Supahos said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2hHS0


Leaves you with $800 to spend on monitors and should demolish anything you put in front of it.


Supahos said:
nddz said:
just geta 270x instead


on a $3,000 budget? you can't run multiple screens at 1080 with that card or even close to it.




If you want it to be able to play the next gen games (and with your budget I assume you want the best) then I would want the extra threads for the future. That rig will play anything out today maxed out and should do anything you ask of it (short of multi screen 4k gaming) for a long time... not sure even two 780 TIs will handle 3 screens of 4k.

didn't knew he is getting multiple screens soz

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December 10, 2013 6:18:46 AM

I still dont think i7 is needed just me tho and a titan? Just the thought that the 780ti beats the titan without the 6 GB of ram bothers me and paying 1k just for ram is eh i would rather take the faster gpu but then again i game on 1 1440p monitor. I mean the titan is high end just its getting owned by the 780ti which kinda makes a person think a bit
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December 10, 2013 6:27:57 AM

determinologyz said:
I still dont think i7 is needed just me tho and a titan? Just the thought that the 780ti beats the titan without the 6 GB of ram bothers me and paying 1k just for ram is eh i would rather take the faster gpu but then again i game on 1 1440p monitor. I mean the titan is high end just its getting owned by the 780ti which kinda makes a person think a bit


Yeah we went back and forth on that a bit. Seems from what I've seen the 780 ti is faster on a single screen up to 1440 resolution. The 4k tests and multi screen high def shows that the memory makes a big difference. If you never plan on going 4k for gaming, or running more than 2 screens of 1080 I would guess you would be fine with 3gb, anything more I think the 6 will help more than the full Keplar core of the 780
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December 10, 2013 10:06:36 AM

So if the goal is multi-screen gaming in the long run, I'm still better off with the Titan?
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December 10, 2013 11:18:37 AM

I think so, at 4k alone they've shown that a single screen can actually use like 3.2 gb of memory on the titan and its actually faster than the 780 TI at those times. I guess the question is do you really think you'll go with more than 2 screens of 1080, or 2 screens of 1440+? If not get the 780TI and save $250, if you think it is a real possibility then the titan might be worth it for you.
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