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December 10, 2013 8:35:41 PM

Trying to maximize the system for the price. He wont budge on the SSD. Other than that if its better but remains in budget,let us know what you think.

Single Monitor @ 1920x1080

- Updated for changes I liked in Sprortfreak23's suggested build. (Thanks)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($529.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar SolutionAF-2 (Green/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG E2211TB-BN 22.0" Monitor ($153.56 @ Mwave)
Total: $2041.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-11 01:07 EST-0500)
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2013 8:43:12 PM

I would do the following. You can stay with your case but otherwise this would save you a bit of money. And I changed your quad channel ram to dual channel since your on haswell.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($529.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB Video Card ($457.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG E2211TB-BN 22.0" Monitor ($153.56 @ Mwave)
Total: $1986.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-10 23:44 EST-0500)
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December 10, 2013 9:09:20 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2iwo8
who knew? A gtx 780 ti and a 1 tb ssd in a $2k budget or wait for the r9 -290x with aftermarket coolers. You don't need an i7 or 16gb for games. Even the optical drive is optional. Software is either downloaded or retrieved through usb.
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December 10, 2013 9:18:34 PM

sportfreak23 said:
I would do the following. You can stay with your case but otherwise this would save you a bit of money. And I changed your quad channel ram to dual channel since your on haswell.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($529.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB Video Card ($457.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG E2211TB-BN 22.0" Monitor ($153.56 @ Mwave)
Total: $1986.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-10 23:44 EST-0500)


Not sure about the power supply you listed, but I liked everything else. Thanks
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December 10, 2013 9:22:30 PM

Au_equus said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2iwo8
who knew? A gtx 780 ti and a 1 tb ssd in a $2k budget or wait for the r9 -290x with aftermarket coolers. You don't need an i7 or 16gb for games. Even the optical drive is optional. Software is either downloaded or retrieved through usb.


The 290 is out of stock, so we're waiting anyways.
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2013 9:22:48 PM

Well beside the platnium listing it should be enough wattage for your build and its semi modular so a bit more cleaner on cables.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1750bbef...

You can consider this one as well, which is fully modular and 80+ gold. Its more wattage but its only $80 an excellent buy as both are seasonic manufractured like the one you picked

Edit: The partlist on your first post hast the micro atx board btw. Must have copy the list when I selected the wrong one. I edited to an ATX but its up to you if u don't mind.
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December 10, 2013 9:32:04 PM

sportfreak23 said:
Well beside the platnium listing it should be enough wattage for your build and its semi modular so a bit more cleaner on cables.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1750bbef...

You can consider this one as well, which is fully modular and 80+ gold. Its more wattage but its only $80 an excellent buy as both are seasonic manufractured like the one you picked

Edit: The partlist on your first post hast the micro atx board btw. Must have copy the list when I selected the wrong one. I edited to an ATX but its up to you if u don't mind.


Yeah, I'll change it. Thanks for the help.
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2013 9:32:46 PM

no problem anytime, just select a solution when your all set. :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2013 9:40:46 PM

There's really no benefit to getting an i7 over an i5. The only difference is a tiny bit of L3 cashe and hyperthreading... Any game that's properly coded will be using floating-point calculations, which hyperthreading doesn't affect.

Same goes for 16GB of RAM. Presuming this computer will be used for gaming only (some people on these forums like to jump down other posters throats for that assumption), then there's no reason to get more than 8 GB of ram. 8GB is enough to simultaneously run battlefield 3, photoshop, AND 30 tabs in chrome.

Okay, I know he won't budge on the SSD, but let me throw this at him: It's a pointless waste of money. SSDs are wonderful... for some things. You can put windows on it, and it will boot way quicker and be much snappier. You can install photoshop to it and it will open nearly instantly. You can put MMOs or single player games which have annoying loading screens (looking at you, skyrim) on it to make those go away.

But most games? What happens if you load first in CoD? You get to be the first one on the map, which just means you get to stand there as the yellow numbers count off the start of the match. Same thing goes for most games - they get absolutely ZERO benefit from being on an SSD. Neither does data - you aren't going to be able to tell the difference when you load a word doc. A huge excel spreadsheet might be the only exception. As for his porn collection, the videos aren't going to be prettier from being on an SSD, nor will a hard drive have any trouble reading them fast enough to play them back quickly.

For $200, pretty much, he could get a 120GB SSD, which is more than enough to put windows, all your programs, and several ~20TB games on, AND a 2TB hard drive. The other thing to consider is that without another drive, there are going to be a lot of things that windows reads and writes to a LOT, which usually get shuffled onto a hard drive... that means his $500 SSD is going to wear out quicker.

For a build this pricey, you seriously should be spending more on the case. The difference from $50 to $100 means side panels that are MUCH better designed and that won't warp, cable management, a front panel that won't break, and USB 3.0. It's worth it.

I would consider going with a different PSU - 750w is overkill unless he plans on going with a Crossfire setup in the future; a 650W would be fine.

Does he really need a blu-ray player. Consider that you can easily stream or download 1080p content from ALL over the place online, and that you usually have to pay for special, badly designed, buggy software just to be able to USE blu rays in your blu ray player (You can't just use VLC media player; blu-rays are DRM locked), and it seems foolish... especially when you really don't even need a CD player for much of anything any more, since windows can be installed from a USB stick.

Also, again, with a build this powerful, why aren't you going with a really nice monitor? I would look at a 120/144Hz monitor from BenQ or Asus. I would lean towards the 120Hz BenQ over the 144Hz Asus; they're nicer and the 144Hz is mostly a marketing gimmick.
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December 10, 2013 10:01:24 PM

^ those are valid points and I agree with most of them. With $2k you can get so much better but that $500 on a SSD really is making this build look more like a $1500 build with a i7.
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December 10, 2013 10:06:27 PM

DarkSable said:
There's really no benefit to getting an i7 over an i5. The only difference is a tiny bit of L3 cashe and hyperthreading... Any game that's properly coded will be using floating-point calculations, which hyperthreading doesn't affect.

Same goes for 16GB of RAM. Presuming this computer will be used for gaming only (some people on these forums like to jump down other posters throats for that assumption), then there's no reason to get more than 8 GB of ram. 8GB is enough to simultaneously run battlefield 3, photoshop, AND 30 tabs in chrome.

Okay, I know he won't budge on the SSD, but let me throw this at him: It's a pointless waste of money. SSDs are wonderful... for some things. You can put windows on it, and it will boot way quicker and be much snappier. You can install photoshop to it and it will open nearly instantly. You can put MMOs or single player games which have annoying loading screens (looking at you, skyrim) on it to make those go away.

But most games? What happens if you load first in CoD? You get to be the first one on the map, which just means you get to stand there as the yellow numbers count off the start of the match. Same thing goes for most games - they get absolutely ZERO benefit from being on an SSD. Neither does data - you aren't going to be able to tell the difference when you load a word doc. A huge excel spreadsheet might be the only exception. As for his porn collection, the videos aren't going to be prettier from being on an SSD, nor will a hard drive have any trouble reading them fast enough to play them back quickly.

For $200, pretty much, he could get a 120GB SSD, which is more than enough to put windows, all your programs, and several ~20TB games on, AND a 2TB hard drive. The other thing to consider is that without another drive, there are going to be a lot of things that windows reads and writes to a LOT, which usually get shuffled onto a hard drive... that means his $500 SSD is going to wear out quicker.

For a build this pricey, you seriously should be spending more on the case. The difference from $50 to $100 means side panels that are MUCH better designed and that won't warp, cable management, a front panel that won't break, and USB 3.0. It's worth it.

I would consider going with a different PSU - 750w is overkill unless he plans on going with a Crossfire setup in the future; a 650W would be fine.

Does he really need a blu-ray player. Consider that you can easily stream or download 1080p content from ALL over the place online, and that you usually have to pay for special, badly designed, buggy software just to be able to USE blu rays in your blu ray player (You can't just use VLC media player; blu-rays are DRM locked), and it seems foolish... especially when you really don't even need a CD player for much of anything any more, since windows can be installed from a USB stick.

Also, again, with a build this powerful, why aren't you going with a really nice monitor? I would look at a 120/144Hz monitor from BenQ or Asus. I would lean towards the 120Hz BenQ over the 144Hz Asus; they're nicer and the 144Hz is mostly a marketing gimmick.


The monitor/case were really just placeholders. I agree I think some things about it are unnecessary, and could be use towards some slight upgrades. Overall I think he's ready to pull the trigger on the build. We're looking at the monitor you suggested, and considering some cases. He is planning to SLI, with 780s down the road. We appreciate the effort in your reply.
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December 10, 2013 10:18:41 PM

How soon down the rode would he go SLI with 780's? if its a couple of months you could just buy this PSU then:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1850bbef...

Reason is, I'm not quite sure the 750W will handle 2 780's in SLI, maybe if not overclocked alot. I run my 780's on a corsair 860w and have no problems playing with them.

Someone clarify if you can do 780's in sli with the 750 W PSU then your good to go.
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December 10, 2013 10:25:46 PM

sportfreak23 said:
^ those are valid points and I agree with most of them. With $2k you can get so much better but that $500 on a SSD really is making this build look more like a $1500 build with a i7.


sportfreak23 said:
How soon down the rode would he go SLI with 780's? if its a couple of months you could just buy this PSU then:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1850bbef...

Reason is, I'm not quite sure the 750W will handle 2 780's in SLI, maybe if not overclocked alot. I run my 780's on a corsair 860w and have no problems playing with them.

Someone clarify if you can do 780's in sli with the 750 W PSU then your good to go.


Not overclocking anything until it begins to show its age. It will be awhile before we do anything with SLI

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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2013 10:37:46 PM

Alrite well, have fun with the build. :p 
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