Intel i5 4670K three cores?

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So been playing Guild Wars 2 and was trying to increase my FPS as I know its a pretty CPU intense game. I got a program which allowed me to unpark my cores. When looking at my resource manager in task manager I noticed that only 3 cores are listed. Also when unparking my cores with the program I used it only showed 3 cores. I thought an i5 such as this one was suppose to have 4 cores. Core temp still shows 4 listed. I guess I don't know a whole lot about my cpu chip although something just isn't adding up.

Does anyone know why this might be happening/shown this way in resource management?
 
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LOL, so we basically have the same system. your haswell CPU is faster than my sandy-bridge clock for clock so my 4.6ghz is virtually...
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Actually, GW2 is pretty terribly coded in terms of parallel computing and is horribly CPU bound. my own system (see sig) only gets about 19FPS in a big fight which just blows my mind...

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like Supahos, what program are you using and what do you mean unpark? there shouldn't be anything you need to do on the software-side to increase GW2 performance. FYI, friends have told me that an i7 chip with hyperthreading performs vastly better than an i5 in GW2
 
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for me I've tried tweaking almost all the graphics options, turning off shadows (originally on 'high) gives me a small boost to 22FPS... which is still WAY below what is capable of an OCed 7970...

my friend who has a 7870 gets over 30FPS with an i7 chip (lower clock, I think 4.2ghz?)... hence why I suspect hyperthreading actually helps in this case
 
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I have a sapphire 280x vapor if anyone is curious so yea gpu defiantly not a problem considering I overclock it as well. CPU currently clocked at 4.4 and still getting around 20 FPS in some areas. I found a video that said to boost FPS to "unpark" cores using this program. http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility Not sure if it really does what it says it does but all in all I feel like my FPS did boost slightly.

Update: I now can see all 4 cores in resource monitor. Not sure what was happening last night. Wish I would have got an i7 back when I built this thing.
 
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LOL, so we basically have the same system. your haswell CPU is faster than my sandy-bridge clock for clock so my 4.6ghz is virtually canceled out w/ your OC. your 280x is basically a 7970 too :D

as for CPU parking, the website describes the feature correctly: Intel uses this to help you save energy when not all cores need to be active. one can imagine taking a performance hit if for some reason a CPU intensive piece of software fails to call the parked CPUs into action, but I don't think GW2 is failing at that. Therefore I don't think the manager is necessary. However it is good to see that it at least found all 4 of your cores :)

As for the i7 thing... yeah, I wish I got a 2700k back in the day. the good news is I'm more or less due for an upgrade, so I may get the i7 5930K or whatever the Haswell-E chips turn out to be next year
 
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LOL, so we basically have the same system. your haswell CPU is faster than my sandy-bridge clock for clock so my 4.6ghz is virtually canceled out w/ your OC. your 280x is basically a 7970 too :D

as for CPU parking, the website describes the feature correctly: Intel uses this to help you save energy when not all cores need to be active. one can imagine taking a performance hit if for some reason a CPU intensive piece of software fails to call the parked CPUs into action, but I don't think GW2 is failing at that. Therefore I don't think the manager is necessary. However it is good to see that it at least found all 4 of your cores :)

As for the i7 thing... yeah, I wish I got a 2700k back in the day. the good news is I'm more or less due for an upgrade, so I may get the i7 5930K or whatever the Haswell-E chips turn out to be next year
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Hahah nice! This is my second build and decided I needed some more power! Will do a crossfire configuration as soon as the 280x goes back down to 300. But yea I might get rid of the parking program cus I dont wanna mess with the registry too much. I might consider upgrading to a Hasewell E in the future though. Do you know if the new E chips are going to be the same size as the Hasewell chips?? That would be sweet so I wouldn't have to change the mobo too!
 
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nope, the Haswell E chips will be a whole different animal as Supahos says

as of now, the rumored socket is going to be LGA 2011-3, which presumably won't be compatible with LGA2011 (this is Intel, we expect this lol). it is also rumored to support DDR4. all in all, you're looking at about $1k or so adding together the CPU, mobo, and maybe 8-16gb of memory
 
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people always jump on intel for this, part of this is why they've stayed ahead of amd, and honestly the enthusiast market is a tiny fraction of their business and the ONLY segment that cares about sockets at all. If you're dell or HP and intel changes sockets you were buying a new board for every pc you were building anyway. I'm surprised they even still make anywhere near as many SKU's as they do.
 
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I'm not really blaming intel for changing the socket, I understand what they're trying to do. in reality they don't make much revenue (if any at all) off of the chipset they sell to manufacturers. but while the LGA2011 socket is due for a change, I wish they would make so many changes to LGA1156/1155/and now 1150 etc. especially when they aren't making huge changes from iteration to iteration... I mean, Ivy would have not existed (or Haswell), and it won't have a big impact on the desktop market. They could've just made laptop BGA chips.

as for their SKU's, I think it's mainly due to manufacturer demand... and you're right, the enthusiast market is more of an afterthrought. though I suspect their engineers actually like us :)
 
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You think ivy and haswell aren't much of a leap, but if you go look at actual benchmarks at a sandy vs haswell at same clockspeed there is a pretty good gain. I'm not saying its mind blowing but there are some gains. We wont have to worry after broadwell anyway as all cpus will just be soldered to the board and the enthusiast market will officially die.
 
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I'm aware that there are incremental improvements with both ivy and Haswell... but honestly, if we skipped Ivy and went straight from Sandy to Haswell with a 2 year gap and something like 8-10% gain in compute speed clock for clock, it's perfectly acceptable. few enough people has reason to upgrade each generation nowadays. honestly I wouldn't mind if Intel makes a BGA series every other year and I don't think it'll be killing the enthusiast market

'good enough', and frivolous spending on mobile gadgets is what's killing the enthusiast market. I got my trusty Sandy and 7970 back at the end of 2011 and for gaming at 1080p I still have little reason to upgrade. I'm hoping that between the new consoles being 8 cores and the 4k revolution, the enthusiast market get some life injected into it.
 
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Bummer its a new socket not like im surprised. You really thing 1k just for the CPU Mobo and maybe ram. I already got 16gb ram. Can ram and windows 7 be easily switched between motherboards??
 
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RAM should be if both are DDR3 compliant. Windows 7 is easy enough as long as it's not an OEM copy in which case it should be tied to the motherboard. You can call Microsoft and have them reactivate it for you on a new mobo as long as you have a legitimate and valid reason to change it to a new motherboard.
 
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The ram is no problem at all... the windows is a different animal. If you have an OEM copy it you will likely have to call Microsoft and tell them a sob story about how you computer burnt up in a glorious blaze and the new board/processor are repair parts and hope they'll give you a new validation key. If its a retail copy I think you'll be fine either way. If it does end up being DDR4 then you'll be kind of stuck with the DDR3 but you can ebay it for close to what its worth so it won't all be a loss.
 
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I wanted a new board is not a good enough reason, you kind of have to pretend what you had died and you HAD to replace it, it wasn't your choice or you'll have to buy another copy.
 
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First of all, Ram can be easily switched between motherboards. just push down on the tabs holding them to the board and they'll pop right out. the thing you want to watch out for is what type of ram we're talking about. currently all the motherboards still in production are DDR3 so it'll be fine.

Rumor has it that DDR4 memory will be arriving with Haswell-E's chipset (x99 I believe), which means we'll need to buy new memory if that is true. I think the total cost will be that expensive because the 'E' series are for enthusiasts and different from the regular consumer chips (around $330 for an i7 4770K). currently, the cost of 'E' series haswell chips are: something like $300 for an i7 4820, $500-550 for 4930K, and $1050 for 4960k, plus a $300-400 mobo. Again, the only reason I have for getting it is the currently rumored 8 cores for Haswell-E, which hopefully will be in both the 5960K and 5930K, or whatever they end up being called
 
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Hence why I said "legitimate and valid reason". Wanting a new one is clearly not valid.
 
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a retail copy of win7 should be easily transferable without problems... OEM copies are just difficult in general. and you guys are right, "I want a new mobo" is never good enough :p
 
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I have OEM unfortunately but ive hassled with Microsoft before and they normally pull through. I know how to remove ram haha. I was just unsure if there is anything stored on the ram before making the switch? New DDR4 memory would be legit but would suck to have to buy more after dropping 115 on 16gb ram though. I didn't realize the Hasewell E are enthusist CPUs. Might be worth the upgrade if I get a raise haha.
 
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