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December 14, 2013 4:03:58 PM

looking to build my first gaming PC - JUst curious as to what power supply i will need so that the system runs smoothly, here are the specs:

MB: MSI Z87-MPOWER
CPU: i5-4670K
RAM: 16GB CORSAIR VENGEANCE 1600
VGA: GIGABYTE GTX 760
SSD: SAMSUNG 256GB
HDD: SEAGATE 4TB 5900RPM 64MB CACHE

The GTX 760 recommends power supply of 500w, but im not too sure if this is the total pwer needed for the whole system, or if that is for the VGA card alone?

I am still deciding on a case, but i will be going full tower, that is certain. I am also unsure if i will need water cooling, or just regular fans. If used for games, i will most likely only be playing for 1-2 hours tops. Will it make much of a diference where the computer is in my house? It will be in my living room, which is always at a reasonable temperature.

Thanks for your help, please keep in mind that i am an absolute newbie to this!
December 14, 2013 4:21:23 PM

Allan Wilson said:
looking to build my first gaming PC - JUst curious as to what power supply i will need so that the system runs smoothly, here are the specs:

MB: MSI Z87-MPOWER
CPU: i5-4670K
RAM: 16GB CORSAIR VENGEANCE 1600
VGA: GIGABYTE GTX 760
SSD: SAMSUNG 256GB
HDD: SEAGATE 4TB 5900RPM 64MB CACHE

The GTX 760 recommends power supply of 500w, but im not too sure if this is the total pwer needed for the whole system, or if that is for the VGA card alone?

I am still deciding on a case, but i will be going full tower, that is certain. I am also unsure if i will need water cooling, or just regular fans. If used for games, i will most likely only be playing for 1-2 hours tops. Will it make much of a diference where the computer is in my house? It will be in my living room, which is always at a reasonable temperature.

Thanks for your help, please keep in mind that i am an absolute newbie to this!

One question: Are you going to be overclocking with the 4670K? If so, how much of a OC?
If you're not overclocking, air cooling will work just fine even when running at high loads. I would think that the recommended wattage is for the whole system, since 500W is a lot for the graphics card alone. For the PSU, you always want to go higher than the recommended PSU wattage like 620W or even higher to future-proof it, just in case you want to upgrade. And just my opinion, but you should get a 7200RPM drive, they are getting more and more common nowadays.

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December 14, 2013 4:21:40 PM
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A good quality 500 watt PSU will be fine. I personally would go for a little higher watts.
What is your budget for your PSU and case? If i know i can recommend some.
Also what country are you in?
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December 14, 2013 6:44:34 PM

Yeah I was considering spending the little bit more and getting a 7200 hdd, I haven't bought anything yet. I'm not too sure if I'll be OC, I honestly don't even know what exactly it is, or the benefits but I'll look into it.

I haven't got a specific budget on the case or psu, I was hoping to go up to $200 for the case and up to $150 for the psu. I'm in Australia, getting most of the components from msy.com.au I've shopped around and they seem the cheapest by a long way. The build so far is going to cost just under $2k, allowing 200 for the case and 150 for the psu.
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December 15, 2013 1:07:48 AM

A good case and power supply is around $254.00 here
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/12j2f

I don't know if you can get them cheaper from the websites you use.
Of course the case is a choice of personal preference, the power supply is an Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply which i highly recommend:)  It's made by Seasonic for Antec and Seasonic make some of the best power supply units in the world:) 
I used an Antec Pro Gamer 520 watt power supply unit in my last computer and it was silent and never had any problems with it.

I looked up your system on partspicker. I modified the ram as the corsair vengeance is overpriced, changed the hard drive to a 7200rpm model, added a non stock CPU cooler(included stock coolers are never that good) in case you wanted to overclock and it came to $1658.00

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2kAC5
Overclocking will make that CPU faster and you will get more performance from it. I have an AMD FX8320 and i have it overclocked to 4Ghz from the original 3.5Ghz. This makes my CPU perform the same as the more expensive AMD FX8350.
If you are sure you are not going to overclock i recommend getting the non K version of the CPU as the K on the end of i5-4670K means it has an unlocked multiplier and is an overclocking friendly version. The non K version is $24 cheaper.
Can you please look at what i recommended and let me know what you think?
Then we can modify or replace components you are not happy with:) 
Also if you have any questions feel free to ask

December 15, 2013 1:25:22 AM

For your selection of components, I recommend you purchase the Phantom 101 NZXT Case. I personally have 3 of those and I love the look of it. About your power supply I'd recommend a total amount of 650 - 700 Watts just for some extra backup.
December 15, 2013 3:21:46 AM

Thanks for all the info Jay, I had a look at the part picker website, msy still works out slightly cheaper, as you forgot to include the vga card, same price on both sites $359. I'm probably going with a 750w power supply. I think it may be a bit of over kill but I want this machine to last me awhile.

As far as the case is concerned, I'll probably go with the Thermalake: http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=8841

or the coolermaster:
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-sgc5...
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December 15, 2013 3:35:26 AM

Ah yes i forgot the card.Oops:) 

What 750 watt power supply were you thinking of? Power supplies vary in quality so much you can't really just go for the wattage. Amps on the 12v rail are more important.

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December 15, 2013 3:35:57 AM

Cases are always personal preference:)  Those 2 are nice
December 15, 2013 3:40:23 AM

I haven't really looked into it too much, did you have one that you would recommend? I would prefer going over the top, just a little. I may want to upgrade in the future.
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December 15, 2013 3:58:07 AM

The Seasonic 760w '80 Plus Platinum' Modular Power Supply is an awesome unit if you have it in your country.

The Antec High Current Gamer 750W Modular HCG-750M is also made by Seasonic and rebranded by Antec.It's a good quality quiet power supply unit and will allow for future upgrades
http://www.cplonline.com.au/antec-high-current-gamer-75...

Either way if you choose one of those 2 or another i would recommend getting a modular unit.



December 15, 2013 12:35:44 PM

What is a modular unit? Lol sorry, still new to this
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December 15, 2013 12:44:24 PM

It's okay:) 
A non modular unit will have every cable included with the PSU coming out of the back of it which means that all the cables which aren't used will be taking space up in your case. It can be awkward to find the space sometimes and it disrupts the airflow. This is a non modular unit

Messy:) 

A fully modular unit has no leads coming out of the back of it and you just plug in and use the ones needed. This is the back of a fully modular unit.


A partly modular unit will have the main required leads coming out of the back with extra ones to plug in.

December 16, 2013 12:47:01 AM

Ok.... I think I'm getting there, my head is hurting lol part of me wants to just goto Harvey Norman or Good Guys, but then I realise how crappy the machines are compared to doing one yourself:)  I'm not too sure if I needed to add the sound card or not, but I did anyway. I've removed the 4tb hard drives, as I have some external drives lying around that I can use, plus it will save me some $$ on the initial build. Here's what I've got so far, any opinions, Good, bad, or otherwise will be greatly appreciated!
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/allan82w/saved/39O8
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December 16, 2013 1:05:14 PM

HI:) 
Sorry it takes so long to reply i'm in the UK.
I've looked over the build and it looks good.
You have picked a very high quality motherboard with enhanced audio. I'm not sure if you will need a sound card.
Usually i would suggest a sound card over onboard audio but because of the quality of the audio on this board it might be good to wait and see how it performs. Adding a sound card later once the system is built would be easy if you found the sound not up to the quality you want.
You have also chosen the D-Link DWA-171 802.11a/b/g/n/ac USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter when the motherboard has built in wifi so you won't need it:) 


I'm not so sure about the graphics card for that money. I'm now going to look up some benchmarks and then i will do another post:) 
Once you have built your first pc you will never buy a pre built one again:D 
I built my first computer 15 years ago and will always do it.
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December 16, 2013 1:24:57 PM

Right i have looked up the graphics card and 4gb of memory is pretty pointless unless your gaming at a resolution over 1920x1080 or using a much more powerful card.
You would actually get a little more performance if you picked this graphics card for $339.00 because it has slightly a higher clock speed
http://www.cplonline.com.au/msi-gtx760-2gb-hawk-n760-ha...

Or you could go for the AMD 280x 3gb for the same price as the GTX760 4gb here
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=613...

You could also go for this AMD 280x 3gb as the cooling on these cards is very good and quiet. It is $389.00 but your now saving $49.00 because you won't need your USB wifi adapter:) 
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/51848-r9-280x-gamin...

To look into this a little further it would be helpful to know what games you are planning on playing. I have included a couple of benchmark charts for you to look at the performance on different graphics cards including the 280x and GTX760.
Please look at them and let me know what you think.


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December 17, 2013 2:46:32 AM

Okay happy gaming :) 
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