Asus GT640-DCSL-2GD3 or GTX760-DCMOC-2GD5?
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Rossini Urban Caoili
December 14, 2013 5:39:32 PM
I have an ENGTX260 Glaciator Plus/HTDI/896MD3 and am now looking to replace with either a GT640-DCSL-2GD3 or GTX760-DCMOC-2GD5.
The form factors are smaller and better suited for my PC case meaning I could possible go SLI when I have the funds to get another.
I don't understand the spec comparison at all and want to be able to run Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 Which is better?
The form factors are smaller and better suited for my PC case meaning I could possible go SLI when I have the funds to get another.
I don't understand the spec comparison at all and want to be able to run Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 Which is better?
More about : asus gt640 dcsl 2gd3 gtx760 dcmoc 2gd5
Lessthannil
December 14, 2013 5:48:44 PM
I just got the 670 mini, should perform about the same as a 760 with 5-10%. I must say, its great for the size. But the two you compared are completely different. One uses external power and the other runs off the board. It's like comparing a go cart and a golf cart. Both have their uses. If you want gaming performance, obv pick the 760mini (which isn't out yet?) or the 670 mini. If you want a card that can play very light games and play blu-rays in a HTPC, you could get a 640 if it were cheap enough to consider.
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Rossini Urban Caoili
December 14, 2013 5:51:44 PM
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Rossini Urban Caoili said:
I have an ENGTX260 Glaciator Plus/HTDI/896MD3 and am now looking to replace with either a GT640-DCSL-2GD3 or GTX760-DCMOC-2GD5.The form factors are smaller and better suited for my PC case meaning I could possible go SLI when I have the funds to get another.
I don't understand the spec comparison at all and want to be able to run Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 Which is better?
The 760 crushes the 640 so hard it isn't even funny. With that said, both games you named are quite intensive, and a 760 won't come close to maxing out either game in 1080p with 60fps~
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Lessthannil
December 14, 2013 5:53:15 PM
Rossini Urban Caoili
December 14, 2013 5:59:25 PM
robax91 said:
I just got the 670 mini, should perform about the same as a 760 with 5-10%. I must say, its great for the size. But the two you compared are completely different. One uses external power and the other runs off the board. It's like comparing a go cart and a golf cart. Both have their uses. If you want gaming performance, obv pick the 760mini (which isn't out yet?) or the 670 mini. If you want a card that can play very light games and play blu-rays in a HTPC, you could get a 640 if it were cheap enough to consider.As I mentioned I don't have a clue on what the specifications mean, My ENGTX260 Glaciator Plus/HTDI/896MD3 is running via the separate PSU connection. May have to save up some Amazon vouchers in order to make a bit of a saving and hopefully sell my GT640.
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Rossini Urban Caoili
December 14, 2013 6:04:00 PM
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
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Rossini Urban Caoili
December 14, 2013 6:15:52 PM
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Yes but those cards are full form factor, I should also mention I run at custom resolution (1824x1026) as it looks better on my screen.
I don't necessarily want to max out games, Just for them too look good enough (Better than what I currently have)
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Rossini Urban Caoili said:
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Yes but those cards are full form factor, I should also mention I run at custom resolution (1824x1026) as it looks better on my screen.
I don't necessarily want to max out games, Just for them too look good enough (Better than what I currently have)
Well if you're not going to be playing at 1080p and you don't care for maxed settings, then a 760 or anything in that genre would be perfect for you. I didn't mean to make the 760 sound weak, it's just as I said, a mid-range card. Not bad for modern gaming, but not amazing by any means either.
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Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Time for a wake up call... If you were an AMD fan, just because the 7970 was a top line card doesn't mean that it beat the top line or 2nd when it was released. Here is an article with benchmarks from Tom's Hardware itself. As you can clearly see, the 670 outperforms 7970 in most tests and the 280x is basically a 7970 with a new PCB, new stickers, an a few tweaks. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that means the only cards (factory settings) that AMD has that beat the 670 are much more expensive and very few (290, 290x, 7990 [which is basically an SLI, same as how I excluded 690 from earlier comparison). Hope you seek benchmarks from now on to further your knowledge rather than baseless fandom. Game performance is what matters. If you want to have AMD smash Nvidia cards, talk about compute power.
Article from Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
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robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Time for a wake up call... If you were an AMD fan, just because the 7970 was a top line card doesn't mean that it beat the top line or 2nd when it was released. Here is an article with benchmarks from Tom's Hardware itself. As you can clearly see, the 670 outperforms 7970 in most tests and the 280x is basically a 7970 with a new PCB, new stickers, an a few tweaks. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that means the only cards (factory settings) that AMD has that beat the 670 are much more expensive and very few (290, 290x, 7990 [which is basically an SLI, same as how I excluded 690 from earlier comparison). Hope you seek benchmarks from now on to further your knowledge rather than baseless fandom. Game performance is what matters. If you want to have AMD smash Nvidia cards, talk about compute power.
Article from Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
I never even brought up the 670! What is wrong with you? This post is a bout the 760. lol
you're out of your mind if you think the 760 beats out a 280x! Totally ludicrous!
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Here is more proof if you think that the 760 is stronger than a 280x or 7970.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-radeon...
And an In game video.
http://youtu.be/E51XQ-bIu-g
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-radeon...
And an In game video.
http://youtu.be/E51XQ-bIu-g
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IAmSparta
December 14, 2013 7:23:17 PM
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Time for a wake up call... If you were an AMD fan, just because the 7970 was a top line card doesn't mean that it beat the top line or 2nd when it was released. Here is an article with benchmarks from Tom's Hardware itself. As you can clearly see, the 670 outperforms 7970 in most tests and the 280x is basically a 7970 with a new PCB, new stickers, an a few tweaks. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that means the only cards (factory settings) that AMD has that beat the 670 are much more expensive and very few (290, 290x, 7990 [which is basically an SLI, same as how I excluded 690 from earlier comparison). Hope you seek benchmarks from now on to further your knowledge rather than baseless fandom. Game performance is what matters. If you want to have AMD smash Nvidia cards, talk about compute power.
Article from Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
If game performance is all that matters, are you forgetting about Mantle and true audio? the 280x will definitely beat the 670 when they come out with true audio and mantle, plus these cards (r9 series) have just recently come out, so you are not accounting the earliness of the drivers for these cards. The 670 came out around a year and a half ago and the 280x was just recently released this year. Nvidia has had a year to perfect drivers, Amd hasn't.
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IAmSparta said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
Quakemz said:
The bottom line is that the 760 is MUCH stronger than a 640. But the 760 is still a mid-range card at best. Not quite right. The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better... (680, 770, Titan, 780, 780TI) without getting an SLI setup.
There are also a handful of AMD cards that beat the 760 including the 7970, 280x, 290, 290x, and hell maybe even the 7950. The 760 is a mid-range card. If you think it is a high-end card, you're mistaken.
Time for a wake up call... If you were an AMD fan, just because the 7970 was a top line card doesn't mean that it beat the top line or 2nd when it was released. Here is an article with benchmarks from Tom's Hardware itself. As you can clearly see, the 670 outperforms 7970 in most tests and the 280x is basically a 7970 with a new PCB, new stickers, an a few tweaks. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that means the only cards (factory settings) that AMD has that beat the 670 are much more expensive and very few (290, 290x, 7990 [which is basically an SLI, same as how I excluded 690 from earlier comparison). Hope you seek benchmarks from now on to further your knowledge rather than baseless fandom. Game performance is what matters. If you want to have AMD smash Nvidia cards, talk about compute power.
Article from Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
If game performance is all that matters, are you forgetting about Mantle and true audio? the 280x will definitely beat the 670 when they come out with true audio and mantle, plus these cards (r9 series) have just recently come out, so you are not accounting the earliness of the drivers for these cards. The 670 came out around a year and a half ago and the 280x was just recently released this year. Nvidia has had a year to perfect drivers, Amd hasn't.
+1 for the backup.
I still cant believe this guy thinks a 760 is stronger than a 280x...constantly blowing my mind. lol
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First off, he was talking about a 760 mini which will be OC'd compared to factory 760, much like the 670 mini is with the original (So you might get some benches from the test GPUs but there are no retail cards yet). I never said that the 760 could outperform the 280x, you made that up yourself. Go ahead and read the posts. I said that there aren't many GPUs that can beat it, I should have included the 280x. My argument is that you called it a mid range card, when it outperforms a ton of other GPUs that are considered mid tier. Also, I kept pointing to the 670 mini because THE OP SAID HE WANTED FORM FACTOR. If you can't even read the OP and understand that, then why are you here? He is looking for something small in size, and because the 760mini isn't even available yet, I have suggested the 670 mini and stated why it's a great choice. I'd know because I own one. Between the choices the OP asked for the 640 and the 760 mini, I'd say neither. Get a 670 mini if you want a tiny card with a bunch of power.
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robax91 said:
First off, he was talking about a 760 mini which will be OC'd compared to factory 760, much like the 670 mini is with the original (So you might get some benches from the test GPUs but there are no retail cards yet). I never said that the 760 could outperform the 280x, you made that up yourself. Go ahead and read the posts. I said that there aren't many GPUs that can beat it, I should have included the 280x. My argument is that you called it a mid range card, when it outperforms a ton of other GPUs that are considered mid tier. Also, I kept pointing to the 670 mini because THE OP SAID HE WANTED FORM FACTOR. If you can't even read the OP and understand that, then why are you here? He is looking for something small in size, and because the 760mini isn't even available yet, I have suggested the 670 mini and stated why it's a great choice. I'd know because I own one. Between the choices the OP asked for the 640 and the 760 mini, I'd say neither. Get a 670 mini if you want a tiny card with a bunch of power.First off, at that point I was talking to you, not the OP. Also, he has the 760 in the title...so how am I wrong in talking about the 760??? Just because I didn't type "mini" after every time I said 760 doesn't mean I didn't imply it. The OP stated it in his initial post.
And you did call the 760 stronger than the 280x. Just indirectly.
"The 760 is about as powerful as a 670.... only a few GPUs are significantly better" Those are YOUR OWN WORDS!!!
You said the 760 is as powerful as the 670, so A=B
You also said that the 280x is as powerful as the 7970, so C=D
So if A and B are the same, and C and D are the same, then you state that either A or B is stronger than C or D.
You got beaten by your own words.
You also said he could get the 640 if it was cheap enough. Re-reading this post is fun! lol
He is trying to play Crysis 3 and witcher 3....let's see how that works for him on a 640. So silly.
I know the 760 is a capable card. I never said it wasn't. It just doesn't compete with the top of the line cards, hence "mid-range."
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Furthermore, here are some benchmarks that include both the 670, 670mini, 7970, and 7970Ghz edition. The 7970 and 7970Ghz edition outperform both the 670 and the 670mini at almost every game, and some of the games by a decent amount.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...
More-so, I even found a hierarchy chart showing all the cards in question and their performance in comparison to one-another. Straight from Tom's itself.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
As you can clearly see, they group the 670 and the 760 together, and the 7970/280x a full level above both of them.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...
More-so, I even found a hierarchy chart showing all the cards in question and their performance in comparison to one-another. Straight from Tom's itself.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
As you can clearly see, they group the 670 and the 760 together, and the 7970/280x a full level above both of them.
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What those benchmarks showed me is that benchmarks are unreliable (or that you searched for ones that were opposite the ones I posted). Comparing Techpowerup and Tom's benchmarks, both tell a different tale. However, for some reason I'm more inclined to believe Tom's because some of the benchmarks on that link had the 7950 outperforming a 680, which could happen, but is highly unlikely considering tons of other benchmarks that say otherwise. Drivers, specific cards, test bed, specific titles, settings/optimizations... who knows. Regardless of our differing opinions and whatnot, AMD really isn't a choice for him unless they came out with a form factor that I don't know about. Maybe small 7750 would be short enough, but it wouldn't be a big improvement or allow him to get high frames at his 1800x1000(ish) resolution.
To the OP: My 670 was $249 with a $50 rebate ($200 total and it came with 2 free games) off newegg and is form factor (is exactly the length of the motherboard). It would be hard to find an equivalent card with that performance/price that is form factor. The highest temp I've seen it run at when running Skyrim with mods at Max (ultra with max aa and as) is 66c (60Hz v-sync). I would even recommend it over the 760mini when that comes out unless you are wanting some features only available to the 700 series. You should tell us about your budget and the amount of card length space you have available. If you can have some motherboard overhang for length, that will open up some other possibilities and maybe even some AMD cards.
To the OP: My 670 was $249 with a $50 rebate ($200 total and it came with 2 free games) off newegg and is form factor (is exactly the length of the motherboard). It would be hard to find an equivalent card with that performance/price that is form factor. The highest temp I've seen it run at when running Skyrim with mods at Max (ultra with max aa and as) is 66c (60Hz v-sync). I would even recommend it over the 760mini when that comes out unless you are wanting some features only available to the 700 series. You should tell us about your budget and the amount of card length space you have available. If you can have some motherboard overhang for length, that will open up some other possibilities and maybe even some AMD cards.
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robax91 said:
What those benchmarks showed me is that benchmarks are unreliable (or that you searched for ones that were opposite the ones I posted). Comparing Techpowerup and Tom's benchmarks, both tell a different tale. However, for some reason I'm more inclined to believe Tom's because some of the benchmarks on that link had the 7950 outperforming a 680, which could happen, but is highly unlikely considering tons of other benchmarks that say otherwise. Drivers, specific cards, test bed, specific titles, settings/optimizations... who knows. Regardless of our differing opinions and whatnot, AMD really isn't a choice for him unless they came out with a form factor that I don't know about. Maybe small 7750 would be short enough, but it wouldn't be a big improvement or allow him to get high frames at his 1800x1000(ish) resolution.To the OP: My 670 was $249 with a $50 rebate ($200 total and it came with 2 free games) off newegg and is form factor (is exactly the length of the motherboard). It would be hard to find an equivalent card with that performance/price that is form factor. The highest temp I've seen it run at when running Skyrim with mods at Max (ultra with max aa and as) is 66c (60Hz v-sync). I would even recommend it over the 760mini when that comes out unless you are wanting some features only available to the 700 series. You should tell us about your budget and the amount of card length space you have available. If you can have some motherboard overhang for length, that will open up some other possibilities and maybe even some AMD cards.
I agree that a 670mini or 760mini would be the best thing for him. I even suggested it in an earlier comment. I never said he should get an AMD card, I only brought up cards that would outperform a 760. My point in the argument is that a GTX760 is a mi-range card. Definitely on the higher-end of mid-range. But still mid-range nonetheless. All the cards that beat the 760 are the high-end cards. That was my whole point. I even posted a hierarchy chart from here showing the 670 and 760 below all the cards I had said. Again, I'm not saying either card is bad or not capable of what he needs.
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Rossini Urban Caoili
December 19, 2013 2:22:21 PM
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
What those benchmarks showed me is that benchmarks are unreliable (or that you searched for ones that were opposite the ones I posted). Comparing Techpowerup and Tom's benchmarks, both tell a different tale. However, for some reason I'm more inclined to believe Tom's because some of the benchmarks on that link had the 7950 outperforming a 680, which could happen, but is highly unlikely considering tons of other benchmarks that say otherwise. Drivers, specific cards, test bed, specific titles, settings/optimizations... who knows. Regardless of our differing opinions and whatnot, AMD really isn't a choice for him unless they came out with a form factor that I don't know about. Maybe small 7750 would be short enough, but it wouldn't be a big improvement or allow him to get high frames at his 1800x1000(ish) resolution.To the OP: My 670 was $249 with a $50 rebate ($200 total and it came with 2 free games) off newegg and is form factor (is exactly the length of the motherboard). It would be hard to find an equivalent card with that performance/price that is form factor. The highest temp I've seen it run at when running Skyrim with mods at Max (ultra with max aa and as) is 66c (60Hz v-sync). I would even recommend it over the 760mini when that comes out unless you are wanting some features only available to the 700 series. You should tell us about your budget and the amount of card length space you have available. If you can have some motherboard overhang for length, that will open up some other possibilities and maybe even some AMD cards.
I agree that a 670mini or 760mini would be the best thing for him. I even suggested it in an earlier comment. I never said he should get an AMD card, I only brought up cards that would outperform a 760. My point in the argument is that a GTX760 is a mi-range card. Definitely on the higher-end of mid-range. But still mid-range nonetheless. All the cards that beat the 760 are the high-end cards. That was my whole point. I even posted a hierarchy chart from here showing the 670 and 760 below all the cards I had said. Again, I'm not saying either card is bad or not capable of what he needs.
Cheers for all the answers.
I may end of choosing the EVGA 640GT 2GB as it's cheaper and I can eventually get a second card for SLI.
Ideally I would go for the ASUS 670 or 760 but they are currently too expensive, Unless they go down by £100 in the next 4-5 months.
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Rossini Urban Caoili said:
Quakemz said:
robax91 said:
What those benchmarks showed me is that benchmarks are unreliable (or that you searched for ones that were opposite the ones I posted). Comparing Techpowerup and Tom's benchmarks, both tell a different tale. However, for some reason I'm more inclined to believe Tom's because some of the benchmarks on that link had the 7950 outperforming a 680, which could happen, but is highly unlikely considering tons of other benchmarks that say otherwise. Drivers, specific cards, test bed, specific titles, settings/optimizations... who knows. Regardless of our differing opinions and whatnot, AMD really isn't a choice for him unless they came out with a form factor that I don't know about. Maybe small 7750 would be short enough, but it wouldn't be a big improvement or allow him to get high frames at his 1800x1000(ish) resolution.To the OP: My 670 was $249 with a $50 rebate ($200 total and it came with 2 free games) off newegg and is form factor (is exactly the length of the motherboard). It would be hard to find an equivalent card with that performance/price that is form factor. The highest temp I've seen it run at when running Skyrim with mods at Max (ultra with max aa and as) is 66c (60Hz v-sync). I would even recommend it over the 760mini when that comes out unless you are wanting some features only available to the 700 series. You should tell us about your budget and the amount of card length space you have available. If you can have some motherboard overhang for length, that will open up some other possibilities and maybe even some AMD cards.
I agree that a 670mini or 760mini would be the best thing for him. I even suggested it in an earlier comment. I never said he should get an AMD card, I only brought up cards that would outperform a 760. My point in the argument is that a GTX760 is a mi-range card. Definitely on the higher-end of mid-range. But still mid-range nonetheless. All the cards that beat the 760 are the high-end cards. That was my whole point. I even posted a hierarchy chart from here showing the 670 and 760 below all the cards I had said. Again, I'm not saying either card is bad or not capable of what he needs.
Cheers for all the answers.
I may end of choosing the EVGA 640GT 2GB as it's cheaper and I can eventually get a second card for SLI.
Ideally I would go for the ASUS 670 or 760 but they are currently too expensive, Unless they go down by £100 in the next 4-5 months.
Just know that one 640 will not get you anywhere close to the performance you desire. Even 2 of them in SLI probably won't do what you want...I hate to be honest but 2 640s will still be somewhat weak. Also, are you sure you have enough room in your case for 2 GPUs? I know you were worrying about form factor...So you might wanna make sure your case can handle 2 640s. Honestly you would be better off just buying a 670/760. Or maybe something like an AMD R9 270 if they come out with a mini version.
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