Intel Xeon vs i5 - for gaming PC

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Hi everyone, I read in some other forum thread, there is another CPU names Xeon and it is without integrated graphics.
and i5 has integrated graphics.
so if someone wants to build a gaming pc with a graphics card, i5's integrated graphics has no use at all?

In the same forum there was a show off thread, the guy said Xeon is like having i7 at the cost of i5 without integrated graphics.

so my question is that, is it really good to go for Xeon for a gaming pc if you are going to buy graphics card?
or it wont make any difference?

and if it is so, why no one suggests Xeon for gaming PC builds
 
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Xeon can be used in a gaming rig, I used to own a Xeon x3210 back in the core 2 days. It was just as good as a Q6400/Q6600 at the same clock speed. The Xeon 1230 and 1240 series are just i7's without IGP and quicksync. The 1245 has these. OP, if you do not want to overclock, an Ivy 1230 v2 is a great chip for the money for a gaming rig. Games are starting to make use of more threads as Crysis 3 and BF4 have shown. That trend will continue going forward. Most do not suggest Xeon because many are not fully aware of them and what they are, or they prefer a cpu that can overclock.
 
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They have I5's without integrated graphics and most of the time they are a little cheaper than the unlocked version. The trade off though is you can't really over clock the I5's with no integrated graphics, at least not to the same level as the unlocked I5's. There really is no point in getting a Xeon. The Xeon processor is meant for servers and it won't add any insane performance increase over the regular I5. As someone said the I5 is more than enough.
 
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The xeons don't OC, don't have IGPU but are basically I7s. They sometimes are clocked lower but many have a higher cache which can actually be more beneficial than the clockspeed. Just look around your budget and see what is available. The Xeons can make pretty good gaming rigs, and they aren't "just server processors" they do both well.
 
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yeah but that xeon is actually a 3770 not a 3570 :)
 
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I was talking the price premium vs an i5. Usually it is roughly $100 for an i5 to an i7. ;)
 
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IF it takes advantage and most games are still single threaded and won't take advantage of it. He would still be better off with an unlocked version of the I5. It is still more than enough and after a few years he can over clock it to squeeze out more performance, something you can't do with the Xeon.
 
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This assumes that clockspeed will be more useful than HT in the future. I'm not saying your assumption is incorrect but if things go the other way the Xeon will be much faster than the I5, you can't add HT to it either. Point is there is no way to know which way things may go in the future. Either option would work and do so great. Kind of up to you to "guess" if the future will benefit from cores or speed.
 
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With future console ports having support for multiple cores, the i7, Xeon, and FX 83xx will be better gaming chips. Someone was posting some info awhile back that game developers are already stating FX 83xx and i7 as recommended CPU's for their upcoming game engines. THG recommends i7 for Crysis 3, i5 and FX 6300 as minimum.
 
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Right now the few games that are using more threads are for the most part only using them in multiplayer like BF4. Things are going that way but it isn't going to happen overnight. By the time we hit the point that all games are going to be making use of more threads both these processors will probably be long out of date.
 
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I agree those may be the reccomendations, but there is NO way they will ever require a $1500 system to play a game very smoothly. That would be suicide to the game. If you just look around these forums it seems the world lives on I5s and 8320s, but the average consumer's computer would cry on BF4 this isn't going to change in the future. I think honestly most titles might eventually be able to use 8 cores, but they will never build games that require this to run well for a while. I bet less than 5% of all rigs have more than 4 cores right now... I don't think as a game manufacturer I would ever build something that only 5% of the entire PC market can use. Heck the pc market is already shrinking, why slice it up even more?
 
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If not overclocking an ivy 1230 v2 is a better buy than a locked ivy i5. At only $25 price premium vs the i5, I would rather have the future multicore support. Also the The Xeon also runs a bit cooler since it lacks IGP. :)

Since I overclock normally, I would go with an FX 8320 for a new rig for myself if I had to build something now from scratch. All my upgrades though are usually done in steps and when I get a really good deal. 1.5yrs ago when I bought my 3570k, a 3570k and Z77 extreme4 at microcenter was about the best deal going.
 
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