Help With Fan Controller Math

ryguystye

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I'm trying to run three 80mm computer case fans in parallel off of an external 9v power supply. I'd like to use a single potentiometer to control the speeds of all 3 fans, but I'm not sure how many ohms I need for the pot. Can someone help me figure it out? Thanks.
 
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You would generate massive amounts of heat in that thing.

You would be better with a voltage divider with a fixed and variable resistor followed by a transistor in a emitter follower configuration. This way the transistor does all the work and does nor burn up your nice potentiometer.

In order to figure out a single resistor value, you need to know the exact load of the fans combined.
You would generate massive amounts of heat in that thing.

You would be better with a voltage divider with a fixed and variable resistor followed by a transistor in a emitter follower configuration. This way the transistor does all the work and does nor burn up your nice potentiometer.

In order to figure out a single resistor value, you need to know the exact load of the fans combined.
 
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Hmm,ok. So what if I use more than one potentiometer? Can I use 3 of them along with the parallel fans? I would still like to use the 9v power adapter to power the fans, since I already need 9V to power something else. The 9V adapter I have is rated for 1A, so it has enough to power everything connected to it, assuming my fans (I haven't received them yet, but have seen pictures of the label) are around .18A each. Are there any other options? I'm a noob and am not too familiar with using voltage dividers or transistors, unless I see a diagram with the exact setup I need. Thanks
 


The easiest & very effective solution (if your case has an open bay is to purch a fan controller, such as:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811992007

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811992005

There are others as well, even inexpensive PCI rheostats, usually limited to 2 fans each:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811995073

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118217
 
I am a big fan of just running a pci bracket fan controller. Some of them are nothing more than a voltage divider + transistor.

Just to give you an idea of how they work, think about being able to vary voltage without with 2 resistors(one fixed on variable.). Now at the end of the day this works great by has low current unless you use lower value resistors and that just eats power.

So you place after this a transistor to do the heavy lifting. It takes whatever it sees at the base and spits it out at the emitter(it has losses so a transistor will never push out 9 volts.), the collector is tied to the +9 volt supply.

The nice thing about this vs a voltage regulator based fan controller is it will work with almost any voltage. 9 Volts should not be an issue.

Here is a voltage divider calculator. Try R1 as 5k(this would be the one you would want variable thay way when turned down to near 0 it would allow 9 volts to pass.) and R2 as 6.5K. That would give you down to about 5 volts(bit less because of the transistor losses).

Now the transistor would take the output voltage at the base and the full 9 volts(from before R1) at the collector and the emitter should put out voltage near what is coming into the base.

Not it is important to know I do not build these things, but I have seen fan controllers based on this design. It is not the most efficient(transistor has to shed the extra power just like a linear voltage regulate would) and the transistor will get hot(may need a heatsink at lower speeds and higher loads.).

This is one of those voltage divider + transistor setups.
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I think I might want to do something with voltage divider (wait, so potentiometer+fixed resistor=voltage divider?) and transistor, but I'm having trouble visualizing how everything is connected. Would you be able to draw up a quick diagram showing what's connected to what, with the fans and psu and everything? Thanks for the help!
 
I will give you a drawing, but you may need to make some tweaks for your setup.

Will edit this post with an image a bit later today. I have been playing with that since I mentioned it.

This is what I have as a fan controller. I did not built it, but got it with my case.

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The variable resistor and the fixed resistor form a voltage divider allowing control from about 4 or 5- tonearly 9 volts(how close depends on the transistor in use. They all have a loss). The resistor divider has very low current and can not even turn over a fan. It can run an opamp or other low power device but not even the lowest power computer fan will work this way. you would need far lower resistance levels and that is why a variable resistor alone is not a great idea.

Now because the wiper on the variable resistor is what sends voltage over the the transistor you get even better range(vs not connecting the other side of the variable to the fixed resistor) because when it is all the way over the the left, you have almost no resistance(nearly full voltage) and a small bit of current will be used in the bottom resistor(it is a small load) and the other side of the variable resistor. Again these higher values are why you do not generate much heat. If you made this with low value parts things would heat up allot.

The transistor has its collector at the positive side of the power supply and gets the voltage from the divider at its base. it will follow the voltage it sees at the base and push the same amount(minus transistor losses) out the emitter. This side is now connected to the fans positive and the negative is connected back to the power supply.

You see the diode next to the transistor. It is to protect the transistor. Please add it. It will not make things work any better, but you still want it. IT should also prevent reverse voltage from damaging the transistor it self. Some will have this built into the transistor. The data sheet can tell you for sure.

I can not stress enough that if you are not comfortable doing this, these devices can be picked up rather cheap online pre made.

I have seen some that use a voltage regulator as well(different design, in this case the transistor sheds the extra voltage. the other setups use a regulator to do it), but even those should work, they just will not go down as low(but most times low enough that your fan would not start anyway).

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I would also like to add that you have to ensure you get a decent gain transistor. My cheapies(aka robbed from old devices) are not high enough and require in a darlington pair configuration(2 transistors so that one can make up extra gain current for the next. The downside to this is more voltage loss. this is something you do not want on a 9 volt supply. You will already loose 0.7-1 volt as it is off the top end) to power fans without pulling too much from the base. It is mostly a limit of the voltage dividers limited current.
 

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Thanks, that schematic really helps. I think I'd feel like I'd be able to put it together myself. Besides the resistance values for the pots, what other ratings should the components have? I'm trying to buy from Mouser.com and their 5k pots have different power ratings and I'm not sure what specs the transistors should be rated for.
 
A tip120 is a high gain transistor, but it will have about 1.4 volts of loss. This maxes you out at 7.4(vs 8.3) volts.

You want this high gain(current) so that the resistors do not have to be lower values. Lower values will allow more current, but will also waste more power and get hotter. So if you have higher gain you need less current at the base on the transistor do deal with the fan load. Your divider is lucky to be able to push 2ma so the fans needing many times that needs a good transistor.
 

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Only 7.4V? Hmm, I think I might want more power for my fans. If I were to attempt the same setup with 12V, would the resistor ratings (5K and 6.5K) be different? What would I change?
 
Those are the ratings from a prebuilt controller, you can setup other values, but those seem to work well. at 12 volts you get about 6-11.3 volts over the full range with a single high gain transistor(you want higher gain so the base does not need to pull much current from the limited current supply of the divider).

You can have 8.3 off 9 volts with the right transistor just the tip120 or other darlington pair transistors will have a lower voltage..