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December 22, 2013 9:05:16 AM

I have Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 motherboard, AMD FX 6100 Black Edition CPU, 4 GB DDR3 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6450 GPU of 1 GB DDR3. If I maximize out my RAM and buy a decent SMPS of 750 watt, then what is the highest range GPU I can fit on my motherboard?

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a b V Motherboard
December 22, 2013 9:33:00 AM

any GPU will technically fit in ur board, but ur CPU will bottleneck anything faster than a GTX760
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December 22, 2013 10:43:05 AM

GTX 760 is a mid range GPU. Can't my CPU hold any high end or enthusiast GPU from Nvidia (such as GTX 690, GTX 780 Ti) or AMD Radeon (such as HD 6970, HD 7970)?
No doubt Intel are best as far as CPU is concerned but AMD is not that much bad either. It is the only rival to Intel in the whole world for CPU (at one time, AMD Athlon x2 processors had outperformed Intel Dualcore and Core 2 Duo processors). Even in gaming comparison websites such as gamedebate or futurecommunity, this processor is amongst the top 100 gaming CPUs. I have read many downs for this processor (lack of gaming performance, weak cores/module architecture in CPU etc.), but still then have the guts to buy this CPU. I found that in many gaming cases this CPU outperformed Intel Core i3 processors and going neck to neck or slightly lower than Intel Core i5 processors (Intel Core i5 CPU does not have hyperthreading whereas AMD FX 6xxx CPU have hyperthreading).
Do not think that I am humiliating Intel. They are still the best, but very overpriced in case of CPU. Should have brought down the price a bit lower.
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a b V Motherboard
December 22, 2013 9:25:14 PM

kaushik37 said:
GTX 760 is a mid range GPU. Can't my CPU hold any high end or enthusiast GPU from Nvidia (such as GTX 690, GTX 780 Ti) or AMD Radeon (such as HD 6970, HD 7970)?
No doubt Intel are best as far as CPU is concerned but AMD is not that much bad either. It is the only rival to Intel in the whole world for CPU (at one time, AMD Athlon x2 processors had outperformed Intel Dualcore and Core 2 Duo processors). Even in gaming comparison websites such as gamedebate or futurecommunity, this processor is amongst the top 100 gaming CPUs. I have read many downs for this processor (lack of gaming performance, weak cores/module architecture in CPU etc.), but still then have the guts to buy this CPU. I found that in many gaming cases this CPU outperformed Intel Core i3 processors and going neck to neck or slightly lower than Intel Core i5 processors (Intel Core i5 CPU does not have hyperthreading whereas AMD FX 6xxx CPU have hyperthreading).
Do not think that I am humiliating Intel. They are still the best, but very overpriced in case of CPU. Should have brought down the price a bit lower.


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a b V Motherboard
December 22, 2013 9:38:16 PM

i agree that at a time AMD's CPUs were very good rivals to Intel, but they aren't anymore, so much so that Intel has relaxed and hasn't made any decent performance improvement in their last three generations
the FX-6100 is from the Bulldozer architecture which was pretty much a fail, the Piledriver is much better but its top of the range CPUs can only match an average i5
it only outperformed the i3 in games that are heavily multi-threaded, and u would need atleast an 8320 to come up to an i5
don't think i'm praising Intel either, just stating facts
FYI - Hyper-threading is an Intel term, AMD does not use it, they call modules what Intel call cores and then each module is divided into 2 of what AMD calls cores
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December 23, 2013 8:44:27 AM

Thanks for your kind information. I just wanted to know a few more things.
(1) I have found that high end or extreme GPU as GTX 780 Ti, GTX 690 or HD 6970, HD 7970 would support my CPU and motherboard, but may or would not perform to its maximum range. How much is the truth behind this?
(2) Experts say that FPS range would not be upto the maximum if I fit a high end GPU above GTX 760 or its equivalent Radeon. Does this FPS related to the monitor screen size alongside GPU? If that is so, would I get better graphics if I reduce my monitor screen resolution or replace the larger monitor with a smaller one?
(3) GTX 690 and GTX 780 Ti or HD 6970 and HD 7970 are high end GPU with more or less same high price range. What is the difference then between them in specifications (I mean to say the difference between GTX 690 and GTX 780 Ti or HD 6970 and HD 7970)? I have not found any such big differences between them.
Also I would recommend that Intel should not relax so much for their advanced technology over AMD. Time does not remain same all the time. We all know what huge amount of loss had happened to Nokia, after believing they are much more ahead of Samsung in smartphone market at one time. If Intel would bring only decrease of CPU size and not much of improvement in the upcoming CPU generations, then would sooner or later meet the same fate, as Nokia in smartphone market.
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December 23, 2013 8:53:51 AM

I am sorry to tell, but I do not agree totally with you. The latest AMD FX 9590 and AMD FX 9370 CPU may beat Intel Core i5 CPU 4th Generation.
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a b V Motherboard
December 23, 2013 9:13:38 AM

1. yes, that is exactly what i said, it will botteneck anything above a 760 and will not let it perform to to its true potential
2. A CPU bottleneck can not be solved by reducing screen size/resolution, a GPU bottleneck however can be solved that way. this is because the GPU actually drives the pixels on the screen so the lesser pixels there are the faster the same GPU will drive them. however if ur CPU is limiting the GPU then it cannot perform to its potential regardless of the number of pixels
3. all these cards u stated are based on totally diffferent processors and have other differences
GTX 690 - 2 GK104 chips on one board, a single GK104 is found in in GTX 680, 760, 770 and 670 with different amount of cores enabled. the amount of cores in each GK104 of the 690 is somewhere halfway between a 670 and 770
the GTX 780Ti features the GK110, the same also found on the GTX Titan and 780, but on the 780Ti all of the chip's cores are fully enabled (not even a Titan can boast of this) making it the fastest card with a single GPU chip on the market right now
HD 7970 and R9-280X are actually the same card based on AMDs Graphic Core Next architecture and features a Tahiti chip, which until recently was AMDs flagship chip until they launched Hawaii with the R9-290/X
the HD6970 is based on the Cayman chip
the FX-9XXX beat an average i5 only in heavily multi-threaded tasks, while using twice as much power, generating twice as much heat and also costing twice as much as an i7

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December 23, 2013 10:04:51 AM

So, to install a high end Radeon or Nvidia GPU, really have I to change my CPU? Would I also have to change my motherboard?
If so, then please recommend me the best AMD CPU and AMD/Nvidia GPU combination with the highest range in case of extreme level gaming at the lowest possible price. (Please mention the price in Indian Rupees; 1 USD = 62 INR).
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 4:52:00 AM

ur motherboard is AM3+ so any latest FX CPU can fit in, i would recommend the 8320 for the best price-performance, OC it to about 4.5
for the GPU, u really need to decide a fixed budget so u can look at things in that particular range only. what is ur monitor resolution and what games u wanna play in what settings?
btw I'm from India too so we can discuss prices in Rupees only
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December 24, 2013 4:59:23 AM

I'll be honest with you,I've got an amd phenom IIx6 1090t oc'ed to 3.8ghz and there is no bottlenecking on my r9 280x(essentially a 7970) so if you can oc your cpu a littel bit,there will be absolutely no bottlenecking unless of course you record using fraps or dxtory or stream.The guy above me has little to no knowledge in bottlenecking with amd cpu (no offense).my cpu oc'ed to 3.8ghz only utilizes 40-55% cpu usage in most demanding games like skyrim,battlefield 4,call of duty ghost etc so yeah you do not need to change your cpu.
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December 24, 2013 5:02:52 AM

But if you haven't bought the cpu yet I would recommend getting the 8 core fx cpu instead and maybe a r9 280x since its 24800 RS compared to the gtx's 30000-33000 RS which is around 100-150$ increament and there is like almost 2-5% increasement in performance
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December 24, 2013 8:03:11 AM

I want to play all the latest games in very high settings. My screen resolution is 1366x768. Please just recommend me the highest possible range of GPU my CPU AMD FX 6100 can withstand, at the lowest possible price.
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December 24, 2013 8:04:35 AM

I have already bought the AMD FX 6100 CPU. The GPU which you recommend, is it better than the HD 7970?
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December 24, 2013 8:10:02 AM

My Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard supports upto PCI Express 2.0 x16 bus interface whereas the R9 280X GPU has PCI Express 3.0 bus interface. Would this GPU fit my motherboard?
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December 24, 2013 8:57:09 AM

Hello,yes the gpu would fit in your monitor,my 890gxm-g65 has a pci 2.0 but the gpu is backward comptabile and these gpu don't even use all of the memmory of the 2.0 pci bus,and if you're gonna play on that resolution you don't need anything bigger than a r9 270x and a r9 280x is essentially the same shit as 7970 but cheaper.R9 270x is 15500 in india
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December 24, 2013 9:58:01 AM

I am happy to see that I can fit high end GPU on my motherboard and CPU. My confusion is in these high end GPU. HD 6970 and HD 6990, HD 7970 and HD 7990, R9 270X and R9 280X are all high end cards. I mean to say that these GPU can play even the most extreme graphic demanding games as Devil May Cry 5, Far Cry 3 etc. at HD 1080p monitor on high settings. What is the basic then between them as all of them has the more or less the same performance (excepting price and generation)?
Also, would I be able to fit any high end Nvidia GPU on my motherboard? Please mention that also the same way you have detailed about Radeon GPU.
How much price is the R9 280X? Is it under Rs. 30000? I cannot spend more than that.
Finally, I have LG 16 inch LED E1641 CRT type monitor. It neither has HDMI port nor DVI port. Could I fit these high end GPU on my monitor or would I have to sell my CRT LED (which I obviously would not like it if yes for recommendation of selling)?
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December 24, 2013 10:04:05 AM

Please provide me the best way you can about how a PCI Express 3.0 bus GPU can support a motherboard having PCI Express 2.0 bus?
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 10:28:42 AM

You can theoretically use a 780ti (or similar) GPU with a 760G Motherboard but it still be like joining a rocket launcher to a tricycle. With you Motherboard overclocking is not recommended.

Difference between PCIE 2.0 & 3.0 is basically bandwidth, you are looking at a couple frames difference between them.

My recommendation - get a 1080p monitor/fx 6300 with a gtx 760/770
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December 24, 2013 11:01:13 AM

Cannot I just use the VGA to DVI or VGA to HDMI converter and realted cables to view instead of replacing my monitor?
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 11:27:48 AM

You can, but what is the point? You get a card that can push BF4 to 120FPS on ultra 1080P and play it on a 720p 60hz monitor (in which 600FPS is the limit), you just won't get the experience you paid for. To put that into perspective try think buying a lamborghini and driving it in a playground.

If you can try buying FX-6300, 1080P (min 20inch) monitor, R9 270X graphic card. This way you will get the most balanced experience.
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 12:08:32 PM

Agree. LOL Driving a lambo in a playground.
You don't need to spend 30 grand in a card if you just wish to play at 1366x768 resolution.
the 6990, 7970, 780Ti and such are very high end cards.
Something like the 760 (20 grand on flipkart) would be enough. And use the remaining 10k for a good 1080p monitor(of course you can choose to wait for g-sync to come to India.)
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December 24, 2013 7:39:28 PM

And to answer your question,r9 280x is 24800,Never ever buy from an online e-tailer.They rip you off by like 5000 RS.Always look for a local electronic store,and make sure u get the msi version of the r9 280x but if they don't have it any other will work.
And since your just playing on 720p you don't need more than a r9 270x but if you want to be future proof r9 280x is the best bang for its buck IN INDIA.I repeat In India for high end gpus,r9 280x sells for around 30000 in e-taillers and 24800 in locazl shops,or 22000 at nehru place.and r9 280x is essentially the same thing as gtx 770,
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December 24, 2013 7:49:42 PM

And by the way you do not need more than a 550-600w bronze 80 plus to run r9 280x with ur set up.I've got a 890 gxm,phenom IIx6 and r9 280x and my psu is a 550w 80+ bronze and it runs just fine.Don't forget to oc to 3.6-3.8ghz when you get that gpu,the nvidia cards aren't the best bang for its buck in india.gtx 760 is essentialy 15% better than a r9 270x and is 24000 while a r9 280x is 24800 and it has a increament of around 30-40% than a r9 270x.
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December 24, 2013 9:59:25 PM

Hello,unfortunaetly I have no knowledge regarding monitor display ports,I have a hdmi 1080p monitor so the port wasn't an issue for me.I'd say its time to sell ur monitor and get a 1080p monitor,you could always go with a r9 270x and play on maximum settings at 50+fps too and buy a monitor with the rest of the money
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December 24, 2013 10:09:29 PM

I do not want to change my motherboard and CPU for now. I would change it later. Just finally please recommend the following, all for the lowest possible price and giving the highest extreme gaming experience:
(1) SMPS suitable for high end GPU.
(2) High end GPU.
(3) HDMI/DVI port supporting HD monitor.
Also please mention the price details.
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 10:45:55 PM

I will give answers in the same order of your questions:

1) Seasonic Eco 600W (4K in markets, 4.5K Online)

2) This question is really confusing beacuse above you mentioned you want the lowest price possible but here you say you want a High end GPU, but however I will go with a AMD R9 270X or Nvidia GTX 760 based upon your brand preference. (GTX 760 is more powerful): 18K-21K (Online)

3) BenQ GW225HM : 9K (I use it and it is excellent)
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December 24, 2013 11:56:10 PM

GTX 760 is a mid range GPU, then also is it really powerful than the high end GPU R9 270X or R9 280X?
How much GPU memory would I get from these cards (such as 2 GB DDR3, 3 GB DDR3 or like that)?
Cannot I fit any GPU more powerful than the GTX 760?
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 11:57:58 PM

I bought it for 7.5K from Snapdeal like 4-5 months ago. It is the exact same model though.

BTW: You have selected a best answer for your post this will make other osers think that your problem is solved and thus ignoring your post, Remove the best answer.
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a b V Motherboard
December 24, 2013 11:59:41 PM

GTX 760 is more powerful than R9 270X but not more than R9 280X, if you tell me your exact budget I will be able to chose a suitable GPU.
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December 25, 2013 12:01:31 AM

My budget is not more than Rs. 30000 for GPU.
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 12:05:52 AM

Your processor will bottleneck anything above a 760, sell your FX 4130 for 3-4k and buy atleast a FX-6300.

If you really want to stick a 30k GPU to a 4k motherboard and 6k CPU (Which no one in the forum will recommend), get a Galaxy Nvidia GTX 770 from Flipkart for 29K.
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 12:08:02 AM

Look, which monitor are you going to use?
If you're going to use your 1366x768 resolution, I'll just suggest you the 30000 card, but it'll end up using only 40-50%(effectively amounting you to having wasted money by buying too powerful a card).
If you're going to go for 1080p, then something like a 760 or 280x is enough for you.
Anything more powerful than that will not run at its full potential(because of your CPU).
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 12:16:10 AM

cst1992 said:
Look, which monitor are you going to use?
If you're going to use your 1366x768 resolution, I'll just suggest you the 30000 card, but it'll end up using only 40-50%(effectively amounting you to having wasted money by buying too powerful a card).
If you're going to go for 1080p, then something like a 760 or 280x is enough for you.
Anything more powerful than that will not run at its full potential(because of your CPU).


Exactly!
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 2:03:48 AM

Get a 760.
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December 25, 2013 5:17:36 AM

I'll give you the lowest price graphic card that can run any game on maximum settings with a decent 50+ fps so you won't notice the difference.
THE ANSWER IS
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R9 270x Sapphire
Any local electronic store will have it
Its only 15500 compared to other gpu which are a whooping 24000-29000
But a r9 280x is 5% lower in performance wise in gaming than a gtx 770 and is 3000-5000 Rs cheaper.
With a r9 280x you are guaranteed to have 70+ fps on any game.
Just OC your cpu and you'll be fine.
Get an aftermarket cooler like a hyper 212 evo up ur multiplier and voltage and voila there you go.
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 11:30:32 AM

kaushik37 said:
OK. Finally being clear, I have AMD FX 6100 CPU with Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard, alongside LG 16 inch CRT LED monitor. Excepting the RAM, motherboard, CPU cabinet box, HDD etc., what will be the possible amount to spent if I buy the following to upgrade my PC:
(1) Good 750 watt SMPS (also please recommend if it can hold high end GPU power or should I have to go for a higher power SMPS).
(2) High end GPU as HD 7970, R9 280X or GTX 770 (no matter whether it bottleneck my CPU or motherboard, I have the guts to buy it; moreover, I do not want to change my GPU every time, I would buy it permanently to use for at least the next 10 years).
(3) HDMI, DVI and D-SUB supporting LED monitor.
I want the SMPS and monitor at the lowest possible price, keeping in mind that my GPU can cost between Rs. 20,000 and Rs. 30,000.
Also, please explain me how a PCI Express 3.0 GPU can fit on a PCI Express 2.0 motherboard.


After reading all the posts i have some advice for you:


At the resolution you want to play, the MAIN factor holding back your fps is your processor.


A 3.0 card fits a pci 2.0 slot because the technology is backwards compatible. (The only limiting factor is physical case size and watts on power supply)
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December 25, 2013 8:24:55 PM

I would not like to change my CPU or motherboard now. Planning to change it later. Already I would spend enough of my money to buy that GPU (GTX 770, HD 7970 or R9 280X, 750 watt SMPS and 22 inch LED HDMI monitor. Think would be nearly cost around Rs. 50,000 overall?
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 9:34:47 PM

Which SMPS are you going for?
Don't cheap out on it -- putting a 30 grand GPU in a 750W SMPS costing 1500 will almost guarantee its premature death. Go no less than the corsair tx750 at 7200.
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a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2013 10:25:49 PM

You should upgrade your RAM too, BF4 and other new games need 8GB RAM
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December 26, 2013 12:38:25 AM

Then if I get the following, what will be the possible price in total?
(1) 1x8 GB DDR3 667 MHz RAM (I have 4 GB DDR3 667 MHz RAM early on installed, so the total RAM will become 12 GB, more than enough to play Far Cry 3, Battlefield 4, Need For Speed The Rivals etc.).
(2) 1 High end GPU as GTX 770 or HD 7970 or any other Nvidia/Radeon GPU more or less equivalent to them.
(3) 1 Corsair/Cooler Master 750 watt SMPS of features capable to hold my CPU and all other components.
(4) 1 22 inch LED monitor having HDMI, DVI and VGA port of very good company like LG, Samsung or like that.
Please provide me the latest price of them I mentioned above. I am not going to change my motherboard GA-78LMT-USB3 and CPU AMD FX 6100 for now. Will change it later. No matter whatever issues I get with my CPU and motherboard for that high end GPU in games or other applications, I will still manage with it, as I know that at least my CPU and motherboard would not blow away due to my new buying GPU.

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a b V Motherboard
December 26, 2013 12:56:15 AM

Your Money, Your Choice.

Your motherboard won't support 1x4GB and 1x8GB, It either has to be 2x4Gb or 1x8GB (Decreased performance).
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a b V Motherboard
December 26, 2013 12:57:13 AM

Your motherboard does not support 667 MHz RAM modules. Go for 1333 MHz modules, and check which frequency modules are already installed, that'll help to make sure they're compatible.
Go for the Corsair, Cooler Master are not that good.


8GB RAM - 4.9k for 1333MHz
770 - 29 - 30k(normal) 35-36k(AMP/Lightning)
Corsair TX750 7.2k
BENQ monitor 9.7k

Total 51.8 - 57.8k for all components.
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a b V Motherboard
December 26, 2013 1:03:28 AM

gameboy1998 said:
Your Money, Your Choice.

Your motherboard won't support 1x4GB and 1x8GB, It either has to be 2x4Gb or 1x8GB (Decreased performance).


How to tell that? I was under the impression that sizes can be paired as desired, only frequencies matter.
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a b V Motherboard
December 26, 2013 1:11:56 AM

You do know that changing the mobo will invalidate your windows, and you'll get blue screen on boot if you try to boot from the new mobo, right?
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a b V Motherboard
December 26, 2013 1:16:45 AM

cst1992 said:
Your motherboard does not support 667 MHz RAM modules. Go for 1333 MHz modules, and check which frequency modules are already installed, that'll help to make sure they're compatible.
Go for the Corsair, Cooler Master are not that good.


8GB RAM - 4.9k for 1333MHz
770 - 29 - 30k(normal) 35-36k(AMP/Lightning)
Corsair TX750 7.2k
BENQ monitor 9.7k

Total 51.8 - 57.8k for all components.


Sizes cannot be paired as desired, most times even same frequency RAM can't be paired also. It is advised to buy the same model of RAM to upgrade your old one.

Also, the OP already has 4GB RAM so he just has to buy a single stick of another 4GB RAM of the same model.
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December 26, 2013 1:17:47 AM

Right. Faced that problem before when upgrading to AMD FX from Intel Dualcore. But now because of advanced installation features in Windows 7 or 8, I would not have to worry that much about HDD contents. I would only format the Windows installation drive partition only, leaving the other partitions and thus its contents untouched. Only I have to install the suitable drivers for my PC then, which would not be a problem. Takes only 1 to 1.5 hours for installation of all drivers and Internet Security. After then, all the necessary software to be installed.
These will all have to be done if I would only replace my motherboard otherwise that is not going to happen.
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