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Here I am battling the problem of confusion... -_-

Which one is the best CPU from the three -

1.AMD FX 8350
2.AMD FX 8320
3.Intel Core i5 4670k

Okay tell me the DETAILED difference between these three and which one is the best buy...
 
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Well according to your sig you already have the 4670k.. :lol:

The BEST would be the 4670k. It also costs more. It will perform better in the majority of games, most of which the difference you actually SEE will be negligible (stutters, 60+ FPS etc.).

I would recommend an 8320 over an 8350, costs less and they're essentially the same chip.

If you're building a new rig I'd say 8320 and get a better GPU. If you still have the budget for a 4670k go with that.

Here's my draft for the difference:

The difference between AMD and intel for gaming.
Firstly, you need to decide what your priorities are, and what you will use the PC for.
Things such as: light gaming, heavy gaming, basic work (e.g. MS Office), heavy work (e.g...
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Well according to your sig you already have the 4670k.. :lol:

The BEST would be the 4670k. It also costs more. It will perform better in the majority of games, most of which the difference you actually SEE will be negligible (stutters, 60+ FPS etc.).

I would recommend an 8320 over an 8350, costs less and they're essentially the same chip.

If you're building a new rig I'd say 8320 and get a better GPU. If you still have the budget for a 4670k go with that.

Here's my draft for the difference:

The difference between AMD and intel for gaming.
Firstly, you need to decide what your priorities are, and what you will use the PC for.
Things such as: light gaming, heavy gaming, basic work (e.g. MS Office), heavy work (e.g. video editing, 3d modeling).
For the most part in current games the biggest difference will be made by the selection of the GPU. Get a great GPU + worse CPU rather than worse GPU + great CPU.

The AMD FX CPU's have many cores, which are weaker.
intel i5's have less cores, which are stronger.

The intel's consequently have better performance per core. In older games, the intels perform better as those games are optimised for good performance with only a few cores (single-threading).
In newer games, the AMD FX's really shine due to the introduction of games using more cores (multi-threading), which may continue into nextgen (unconfirmed).

The difference comes in depending on what you want to use the PC for. If you're on a tight budget, save some money and go with the AMD and spend the extra money on a better GPU that will give you better performance than any CPU could.

i5: Good for older games (single-threaded), Good for newer games (multi-threaded), Good for general work, great all-round CPU and probably the best around for current games (may change in future).
AMD: Slightly worse for older games (single-threaded), Great for newer games (multi-threaded e.g. BF4, Crysis 3), Good for light/heavy work, extra cores are great for 3d modeling and video editing or rendering, great CPU whilst costing much less than the intel. Even though it's worse in older games it will run them perfectly well and smoothly.

Regardless, both will perform well.
For an i5, I would recommend an i5 3570k or a 4670k. Why? They are king for gaming performance at the moment and since they are the k version they are unlocked and can be overclocked in future for a performance boost.

For an AMD, I would recommend a FX 6300/8320/8350 (might as well get the 8320, it's an 8350 clocked lower at stock which you can change) [Do NOT go with a bulldozer CPU, only piledriver. List here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_(microarchitecture) <-- That should all be one link, not sure why it splits.]. Why? Great multi-threaded performance for newer games and heavy work, are just fine in older games (not overkill, can deliver smooth frame rates maxed with a good GPU), and are great for productivity with a tame pricetag.

As a general guide for gaming: (FX's piledriver, intel's sandy/ivy/haswell)
- FX 4300/4320/4350 = i3
- FX 6300/6350 = i3 or mid i5
- FX 8320/8350/9xxx = i5 (k) / i7 (well-threaded games, streaming [i7 hyperthreading isn't very beneficial to gaming]).


In conclusion, budget gaming/work: AMD. Not on a budget gaming/work: i5/i7. The i5 currently delivers better performance but don't get the impression that the AMD is lagging behind. They are great for gaming and work with a really great pricetag, just not currently up there with intel. In newer games though such as BF4 the AMD's have caught up in performance and in some cases deliver better performance than the intel's for much less money. You will get great, smooth FPS with either.
Either solution will game just fine with a nice GPU, focus mainly on that.

Some non-synthetic benchmarks between the FX 83xx series and the i5/i7's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE These show the FX being better in many situations, however the i5 will be the best in the majority of games.

TL;DR - FX 8320/8350 or intel i5/i7 k. Get the best GPU possible (save some $$$ from cheaper CPU), any will be fine.
 
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Lol yes I do have Intel core i5 4670k but I have never ever used AMD FX 8320/8350 so that's why I wanted to ask which one is better... And lol I knew you would only answer as in some earlier threads also we had a huge discussion on AMD vs Intel.. :p :D

Okay I will do heavy gaming like Crysis 3, BF4 , AC 4 etc... I will do some video editing or like making 3D models but this would be very less, like once in a week...

I play Counter Strike also and it is a old game... and I know AMD will give me good fps as I had AMD FX 6100[I made a mistake buying that] and that gave me 60 FPS in CS and I think that if this garbage bulldozer can give 60 FPS then Piledrive would be its 100x...

Okay as you are having AMD FX 8320, tell me that how AMD FX's multiple cores are weak? Because I saw that AMD is really great at gaming... I really do not like Intel much, seriously, but I really have a curiosity to really understand the difference that why AMD FX is somewhat equivalent to Intel...

Okay tell me how and why AMD FX 8320 will give slower gaming performance than Intel Core i5 4670k ??

Intel never has more cores and always has less cores but still why it beats AMD in gaming?
 
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Intel wins because of it's architecture - it has far better IPC (instructions per cycle) and consequently better single-threaded performance at lower clock speeds; some benches put it as 50% better than the AMD's. Since their cores are that much stronger, and the huge majority don't utilise the 8 cores of the FX (which are weaker), the intel performs better.

I've heard that the FX performs better than the i5's in Crysis 3, and pretty equal in BF4 - since these games utilise more cores. Apps like video editing/modeling are also likely to use more cores too, so the FX can perform better there.

As for CS FPS, mine hovers around 80-120 on average in firefights, same goes for any source game.

It essentially boils down to the fact that games don't utilise all of the FX cores and since intel's fewer cores are so much stronger they will perform better as a result.
 
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Is there any way that FX cores perform well in single-threaded performance...

And yes in Crysis 2 and Crysis 3 AMD FX 8350 is on the top of the list..! and in BF4 almost both are equal...


As I am going to build a new rig that would be of AMD... I would be using this Intel too like I am going to use both AMD and Intel side by side... :p
Okay tell me whether I should buy AMD FX 8350 / AMD FX 8320 or not?

EDIT: And tell me which motherboard is better? ASUS M5A97 R2.0 or ASUS M5A97 R2.0 EVO ?
 
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8320 with a cooler.


 
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LOL ... :D obviously I am going to get a cooler ... xD
 
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I would go with FX 8350 it has the best overclockability out of the three and will actually beat it in some games (If I'm not mistaken) More cores will be utilized in the future anyway. And if you didn't already have the intel I would have suggested that you went with the 8350. I am not an AMD fan boy. I just see the potential in games using more cores. BF4 can utilize all 4 I think. In passmark it is about double as good. So if games do use all 8 cores the 8350 oced would probably be the best. Now a Intel 6 core on the other hand..... That is a different story. But price to performance the AMD FX 8350 is the best.
 
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Well we dont fucking know, so stop bullshitting please.
In the future it will be depending on strong singlecore performance AND more cores.
 
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Uh I think 9370 is good but the cons I see that it has high power consumption and it gets heated up very quick... 9370 needs a water cooler to cool it down to maintain its life... While the stock speeds are good! and everything else is good...

And they are not the same price.. It's just Christmas discount you get on that product on amazon.. While the FX 9370 is just little expensive than Intel Core i5 4670k...

 
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1) The OC difference between an 8320 and an 8350 is 50MHz (0.05 GHz).
2) The 9370 is essentially just a stock overclocked 8350/8320, no need to spend extra on it.
3) Avoid cpuboss - assigns arbitrary values using random tests to come up with a random value at the end.

deadlyghost, get an 8320 with a 990fx board if you can (M5a99X / GA-990FXA-UD(3,5,7)), or if you have to go 970 then a M5A97 R2.0 or a GA-970A-UD3. And a nice cooler.
 
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absolutely. FX 9000 is just a rushed release nothing really worth to buy.
Also a 8320 is enough and you can overclock it near 8350 easily and even more crossing 8350's boost + oc. As 8350 and 9000's are just overclocked 8320's so 8320 gets more worth for its price!

Going for AMD is better when you have some tight budget actually. Intel is always suggested if you have open budget or you want some extra threading performance of more cores in Editing / rendering programmes.
 
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I found ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 board available but that Gigabyte one was out of stock everywhere...

And are you sure that AMD FX 8320 is same as AMD FX 8350? Just the stock speed difference? Nothing else?
 
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It probably consumes ever so slightly more power than the 8350 - both are 125W tdp at stock, and since the stock speed of the 8320 is slightly lower it will probably use a bit more power when overclocked.

The OC ceiling between the 8320 and 8350 is 50 MHz (0.05 GHz) so there's almost no difference other than the price and the stock clocks.

Some have speculated that they use worse quality silicon etc. but we don't know, or that they are just lower 'binned'.
 
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You are using FX 8320 right now right? how's it? Is the performance well?

I found two more 990fx motherboards available - Asrock 990Fx Extreme3 and Asrock 990Fx Extreme 4
 
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The extreme4 has much better VRM design than the extreme3 - I'd avoid the 3.

As for my FX 8320, yeah it's decent. I'd recommend instantly overclocking to 4.0 or beyond, 3.5 is kind of average. I'm not struggling playing any games I've played so far (mainly source titles but also some others) even on my 7870.
 
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