290X with FX-8350 inconsistent performance

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aybeeray

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So about a month ago I put together this build (my first in about 10 years), and I feel like it's underperforming.

CPU - AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core
CPU Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory - Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133
Storage - Intel 530 Series 180GB 2.5" SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card - Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB with Arctic Accelero Hybrid
Case - Corsair Graphite Series 230T Orange ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply - OCZ 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V
Operating System - Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit)
Monitor - Asus VS239H-P 23.0"
QNIX QX2710 Matte 27.0"


I find that at both 1440p and 1080p my FPS is quite inconsistent, particularly when playing WoW. Specifically with WoW, my GPU clock speeds are always like 60%-80% and my CPU usage is around 25%. WoW FPS is anywhere from 25-120 fps (raids, cities, etc more near the 25 end) BF4 puts me at 40-60 FPS depending on what I'm looking at. Assassin's Creed IV runs in the 40-60 FPS range as well (using only FXAA). My video card drivers are current, and everything is at stock settings. My 290x runs at about 70C with the cooler on it. I've tried overclocking my GPU and CPU, but it offers little improvement. Also, it's a fresh format and reinstall of Windows 8.1. Of note, despite any changes I make to my RAM timings and settings in the BIOS, it always shows in Windows as 800 MHz (so 1600 in reality), though it's rated up to 2133 MHz. I don't know if this could have any meaningful impact on performance, or if it's a symptom of something I'm not setting up correctly or what. I'm at work at the moment, but can provide any logs later this afternoon when I return home.

Am I overlooking something?
 
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oh i had the same issues with wow using the amd 7870 2gb o/c before trying the amd 280x vapor-x. I knew that was the processor because my laptop ran wow better and I knew what that card was good. Couldn't confirm however, whether or not the issue stems from bottlenecking, or it simply being a shit processor is debatable. I think a lot of folk become blindsighted by numbers, and by that i mean 'x8 cores' - this doesn't mean a lot in my op.

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If I remember correctly, WoW favors Intel CPUs. I'm running an i5 and never dip below 70 FPS, although I do run in windowed mode.

Only thing I can think of is that your PSU isn't providing adequate power to your CPU/GPU, I know it's 1000W, but OCZ isn't exactly know for quality PSUs either.
 
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aybeeray

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Thanks for the reply!
Yeah, I know that WoW is more Intel-friendly, just wasn't sure if the difference was THAT big. The PSU did get decent reviews, and it's 80 plus gold certified, so I don't imagine there's much power loss under load. It puts out a decent amount of Amps per rail as well.
 
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I'm convinced that the 8350 is your problem, as is mine also. I've spent £650+ over the last week attempting to iron out the lag in bf4 ecpecially in the built up areas of many of the maps, such as zavod 311, siege of shanghai and hainan resort. Other games under perform, just like it does with yours but it depends on how cpu hungry the game is and I know assassins and bf are a nightmare for cpu sucking.

I've replaced my motherboard from the asus m5a78L LX to the asus m5a99x evo R2.0 for the 990x chipset, as well as upgraded to the gigabyte R9 290x 4gb battlefield 4 edition from the vapor-x 280x and that made absolutely no difference either. I've got windows booting from a samsung 840 pro 240gb as well as a hitachi 7200rpm analogue HDD which has only expected differences, such as boot times and map loading times.

I've set up all of the correct XMP profiles for RAM; I've even o/c'd my 8350 to 4.4ghz. I have did a fresh install of original windows 7 home premium 64 bit with all of the hotfixes and SP1.

I've disabled pagefile, tried alternate settings and no result. I am being negative here so just to throw in a possitive note - silk road and rogue transmission work flawlessly on on maxed out settings and never drops for a single second below 60fps with vsync on lol. Even paracel storm goes horrible art flag 'B' in conquest.

Temps and usage for the amd 8350 seem to be great, with low temperatures and after overclocking it seems like battlefield 4 doesnt evenuse more than 60% of each core.

I'm saving for a new mobo and an i7. I'm not messing about anymore because I've scoured forum after forum but keep hitting brick walls. Granted there are clearly plenty of people who have the same problem, but also some with the 8350 that don't have our problem, but I can't figure it out, and after a month of research, people not responding to my pleas for help and excessive amounts of collateral damage in the form of hard-earned cash, I've decided that its time to go back to what I knew in the first place - intel destroy AMD in the processor department.

Apologies for my dulcet tone buddy, but I'm just trying to give you some idea as to what your issue might be, at my expence :)

Good luck.
 
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plunderclat

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oh i had the same issues with wow using the amd 7870 2gb o/c before trying the amd 280x vapor-x. I knew that was the processor because my laptop ran wow better and I knew what that card was good. Couldn't confirm however, whether or not the issue stems from bottlenecking, or it simply being a shit processor is debatable. I think a lot of folk become blindsighted by numbers, and by that i mean 'x8 cores' - this doesn't mean a lot in my op.

 
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I went througj the same hell you did and am still stuck in it. My case matches yours word for word, and I've tried everything possible solution you spoke of... I even reinstalled Windows 8.1 (which doesn't actually gain you 20fps in BF4, at least not when you're throttled like me)

Here I am May 2014, and managed to squeeze 50-100 fps out of the rig (in my signature) with my 8350 at 4.4ghz and an R9 290 Tri-x with the stock OC on it. I also tried overclocking and that did a whole lot of nothing for me. Needed the card to reach 1125/1450 to even notice a difference, so run it stock, because this is ridiculous. I also have a close friend with an 8350 and R9 290 with the same weird low fps problems in many games, mainly cpu intensive titles. He's on windows 7 and has many older parts than me, but we both get the same low fps. We both get horrendois franerates of 30-60 in Gulf of Oman in BF3, and most bf4 maps will drop below 60, even staying under 60 with DX11, even in May 2014 with mantle officially released (50-100 with mantle ) on drivers 14.4.

Anyways, did you ever find a solution? So many people telling me switching to intel isn't needed, and that their 8350 and 280x and such are running faster than mine with a 990fx, OC'd 8350, and cooled OC'd 290...

Is there a solution, or did you just switch to Intel. If so, how does it run? Was it worth it, or did it really only help the few cpu dependant games? Not thrilled to buy an i7 and new mobo for roughly $500 for 5-10 more fps...

I'm at the end of my patience, but I want to tame this beast called the 8350 that only seems to behave for others on the internet...
 
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I went througj the same hell you did and am still stuck in it. My case matches yours word for word, and I've tried everything possible solution you spoke of... I even reinstalled Windows 8.1 (which doesn't actually gain you 20fps in BF4, at least not when you're throttled like me)

Here I am May 2014, and managed to squeeze 50-100 fps out of the rig (in my signature) with my 8350 at 4.4ghz and an R9 290 Tri-x with the stock OC on it. I also tried overclocking and that did a whole lot of nothing for me. Needed the card to reach 1125/1450 to even notice a difference, so run it stock, because this is ridiculous. I also have a close friend with an 8350 and R9 290 with the same weird low fps problems in many games, mainly cpu intensive titles. He's on windows 7 and has many older parts than me, but we both get the same low fps. We both get horrendois franerates of 30-60 in Gulf of Oman in BF3, and most bf4 maps will drop below 60, even staying under 60 with DX11, even in May 2014 with mantle officially released (50-100 with mantle ) on drivers 14.4.

Anyways, did you ever find a solution? So many people telling me switching to intel isn't needed, and that their 8350 and 280x and such are running faster than mine with a 990fx, OC'd 8350, and cooled OC'd 290...

Is there a solution, or did you just switch to Intel. If so, how does it run? Was it worth it, or did it really only help the few cpu dependant games? Not thrilled to buy an i7 and new mobo for roughly $500 for 5-10 more fps...

I'm at the end of my patience, but I want to tame this beast called the 8350 that only seems to behave for others on the internet...
 
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the Basic thing of this problem arising is due to huge power required by graphic card .... these huge graphic card needs lot of watts..to operate hence the thing is that most of people doesn't connect the external supply for the graphic card to operate....they simply attached it to the board.....and hoping to perform well....??

even a separate 6 pin/ 8 pin cable is provided to attach graphic card with the power supply....
 
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I don't think and insufficient psu would cause frame rate drops. It's not like the 12v rail gradually drops reducing performance of the gpu or cpu. They just shut off completely when over current or over temperature (when run beyond max power).

Regarding this issue, I thought bf4 had become more efficient recently. I'm getting consistent 60fps on all maps, 3 monitors, ultra 2xmsaa. Gpu is only at 70% usage and cpu 30-40% Rig pulls 350w max
 
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Hi i almost have the exacly the same rig and i have the same problem did you managed to find the problem?
Plz help me!
Thanks!
 
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jkteddy77

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I built an identical rig as well in early 2014. After MONTHS of research, multiple windows installs, bug fixes, drive installs, and swapping out new HDD's, SSD's, PSU's, even tried another 290, the only solution for me was switching to a 4790k.
Yeah, it was last resort, but as far as I see it, it's the only solution at the moment. No other parts caused the issue but the mobo and CPU. My other friends with 990fx's and 8350's STILL have the same performance issue with their rigs, so I think it's safe to say it's the 8350 bottlenecking the 290 in certain titles (which turns out to be a LOT of titles these days)

Ever since the day I plopped in my Z97 and 4790k, I haven't had a single performance issue. my 290 is at 100% gpu usage all the time when I game now, no dips or fps drops in any gpu bound titles. Most of my bios is set to efault too, didn't have to touch a thing to get it working properly and as it should.
If you're still under warranty, get a Gaming 5 Z97 and a 4690k, I highly recommend that. Better CPU performance and it will solve all of your GPU speed issues if you've tried all else.
 
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