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December 23, 2013 1:38:00 PM

Just hoping for some opinions on which I'd be better off going with. (Building my first gaming PC)

Thank you.

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December 23, 2013 1:40:10 PM

I'd say GTX 770
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December 23, 2013 1:40:37 PM

i would go with the gtx 770
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December 23, 2013 1:40:46 PM

GTX 770 wins in most games at 1080p. R9 280x at higher resolutions
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December 23, 2013 1:54:04 PM

I've read that the 280x's are hard to find at the moment anyway? I'll be playing at 1080p.
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December 23, 2013 1:55:34 PM

Kempffer said:
I've read that the 280x's are hard to find at the moment anyway? I'll be playing at 1080p.


Get a 770 then, its wins in most games at 1080p
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December 23, 2013 2:27:08 PM

Gtx 770 is best at 1080p, though if you're saving cash on r9 280x then it's also a good choice, like over here 280X directcu 2 is cheaper than stock 770.
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December 23, 2013 5:49:27 PM

Where do people come up with "GTX 770 is best at 1080p"? I bought a GTX 770 specifically for BF4 and returned for a 280x. The 770 cannot keep up with the 280x with all the eye candy on, no ifs ands or buts. However, the 280x is hard to find and is at a premium price. I sure wouldn't pay $400+ for it; they're like buying ammo 6 months ago.

Wait for supplies to keep up with demand and prices drop. By then there will be 290 reference cards as well.


http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32990-gigabyte-r9-280...












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December 23, 2013 6:36:03 PM

@slime
That's because bf4 is an and title.
And 90% of those benches were amd optimized.
The availibilty for the280x is limited and it is 100$ more expensive.
The obviouse choice is the 770.
I thought we already discussed your grotesquely biased opinions?
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December 23, 2013 6:47:04 PM

@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.
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December 24, 2013 1:25:31 AM

Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


Thank you sir. Would you mind telling me if the build I'm currently planning on is all good? I'm concerned whether or not I need to buy a sound card because I have a Astro A40 headset with a very nice mixamp and I've been told no sound card is needed, I don't plan on using speakers. Also, the ethernet cable connects directly to the motherboard, correct? Or is a network adapter necessary?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($337.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1181.86

Thank you in advance.
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December 24, 2013 2:22:54 AM

I`d still say it`s about the price between these 2, and right now the R9 280x are flying off the shelves, hence the bigger prices atm.

I have about the same build as you, except for the case. I got my R9 280x Matrix with 60$ cheaper because the shop didn`t have the Toxic I ordered. 2 days later, when they re-stocked, all the R9 280x were 100$ more expensive than a week before.

I bought mine in the sweetest spot possible as I can see, and I`m really happy. Running BF4 on Ultra with everything up at 70+ FPS at all times.

I had to add 2 more fans directly in front of my GPU to make sure it stays cool, but that`s because of my SFF build.

I really don`t regret going with the red team.
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December 24, 2013 3:13:26 AM

Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


Thank you sir. Would you mind telling me if the build I'm currently planning on is all good? I'm concerned whether or not I need to buy a sound card because I have a Astro A40 headset with a very nice mixamp and I've been told no sound card is needed, I don't plan on using speakers. Also, the ethernet cable connects directly to the motherboard, correct? Or is a network adapter necessary?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($337.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1181.86

Thank you in advance.


I've tested sound cards and i cannot tell the difference between my mobo's midrange chip versus it.
In fact, the card sounded muddier.
Yes, that mobo has a realtek lan port capable of Ethernet connection. It should be more than enough!
That build also looks really solid.
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December 24, 2013 11:01:40 AM

Djentleman said:
Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


Thank you sir. Would you mind telling me if the build I'm currently planning on is all good? I'm concerned whether or not I need to buy a sound card because I have a Astro A40 headset with a very nice mixamp and I've been told no sound card is needed, I don't plan on using speakers. Also, the ethernet cable connects directly to the motherboard, correct? Or is a network adapter necessary?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($337.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1181.86

Thank you in advance.


I've tested sound cards and i cannot tell the difference between my mobo's midrange chip versus it.
In fact, the card sounded muddier.
Yes, that mobo has a realtek lan port capable of Ethernet connection. It should be more than enough!
That build also looks really solid.


Could you recommend a monitor for me? I'm having a hell of a time finding one. I'd like to stay at $200 or lower, and as much as people say the ms response time isn't a big deal, I'd prefer 5ms or less just to be sure.

Thank you. :) 
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December 24, 2013 11:12:18 AM

Overclocked 280X vs stock 770, is it fair??
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December 24, 2013 11:39:03 AM

Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


Thank you sir. Would you mind telling me if the build I'm currently planning on is all good? I'm concerned whether or not I need to buy a sound card because I have a Astro A40 headset with a very nice mixamp and I've been told no sound card is needed, I don't plan on using speakers. Also, the ethernet cable connects directly to the motherboard, correct? Or is a network adapter necessary?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($337.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1181.86

Thank you in advance.


I've tested sound cards and i cannot tell the difference between my mobo's midrange chip versus it.
In fact, the card sounded muddier.
Yes, that mobo has a realtek lan port capable of Ethernet connection. It should be more than enough!
That build also looks really solid.


Could you recommend a monitor for me? I'm having a hell of a time finding one. I'd like to stay at $200 or lower, and as much as people say the ms response time isn't a big deal, I'd prefer 5ms or less just to be sure.

Thank you. :) 


varundbest said:
Overclocked 280X vs stock 770, is it fair??

If you don't care about response times and hertz, then i would go ips.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-...
I've tried this one.
It has fantastic viewing angles and is a decent ips. Color reproduction is better than you would find on a TN panel is at an awesome price.
I really can't advise any others because i haven't tried them. :p 

@varund
Also the fact that he posted 3 hugely amd optimized titles.

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December 24, 2013 11:54:26 AM

Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


It's always fun to cherry pick isn't it?

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/09/ms...


http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5925/visiontek-radeon-...







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December 24, 2013 11:57:01 AM

Djentleman said:
Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
Kempffer said:
Djentleman said:
@op
"It’s a close-run thing between these two cards at the checkout, but there’s a clear winner when it comes to actual performance. The GeForce GTX 770 takes a clear lead in Bioshock Infinite, and its average framerates in Crysis 3 are much higher – and in Battlefield 4, an AMD-branded game, it’s still easily able to handle top graphics levels. It does this using less power, too, which can never hurt.

Both of these cards are able to handle top-end games, but Nvidia’s GPU is ahead in more of our benchmarks. That’s why it’s our choice if you want to buy a graphics card for a little over £200"-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/amd-radeon-r9-28...

Get the 770, you won't regret it.


Thank you sir. Would you mind telling me if the build I'm currently planning on is all good? I'm concerned whether or not I need to buy a sound card because I have a Astro A40 headset with a very nice mixamp and I've been told no sound card is needed, I don't plan on using speakers. Also, the ethernet cable connects directly to the motherboard, correct? Or is a network adapter necessary?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($337.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1181.86

Thank you in advance.


I've tested sound cards and i cannot tell the difference between my mobo's midrange chip versus it.
In fact, the card sounded muddier.
Yes, that mobo has a realtek lan port capable of Ethernet connection. It should be more than enough!
That build also looks really solid.


Could you recommend a monitor for me? I'm having a hell of a time finding one. I'd like to stay at $200 or lower, and as much as people say the ms response time isn't a big deal, I'd prefer 5ms or less just to be sure.

Thank you. :) 


varundbest said:
Overclocked 280X vs stock 770, is it fair??

If you don't care about response times and hertz, then i would go ips.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-...
I've tried this one.
It has fantastic viewing angles and is a decent ips. Color reproduction is better than you would find on a TN panel is at an awesome price.
I really can't advise any others because i haven't tried them. :p 

@varund
Also the fact that he posted 3 hugely amd optimized titles.



I believe you claimed the 770 > 280x in BF4 which is demonstrably wrong. One could also note you didn't even ask the OP which games he will be playing, but instead provide a biased response with a cherry picked chart.

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December 24, 2013 2:06:52 PM

@Slimething
I called you a liar, that's all i remember.
I know the 280x is better in bf4. You're memory is lacking.
I wish their was a way to stifle you; either that, or block you.
But nope, i continue to see you spouting your ignorant bias on the forums trying to protect a company that doesn't care about you.
You come onto a thread where OP is trying to find a good card at 1080p for a good price. The 280x in his location is 100$ extra, and you still try and suggest it saying
"770 get roflstomped at 1080p" showing biased benchmarks of amd optimized titles and expect me to not call out on your stupidity.

You really are walking on a twig of an argument.
You can't even come up with your own. Making a vague statement "Biased response with a cherry picked chart". Are you a parrot?
The cards are so similar it's painful.

I'm done though. OP has made his decision, and we should help him.
As for you, i'm done.
Oh yeah, good job with the name.
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/404/2v5v.jpg
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December 24, 2013 2:46:42 PM

Op must be confused,
R9 280X good but 770 is better at 1080p at least(4gb version of 770 is another matter), I wont go further on that. 280X is basically 7970. I generally ask people to go for 280X but if 770 is cheaper or off equal price, go for it if 280X is cheaper then it's best bang for buck!
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December 24, 2013 5:15:08 PM

I just have one last question concerning my build, I've read the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO has trouble fitting in the NZXT Source 210 case, so I've decided on the Source 220 instead. Does anybody know if the CPU cooler will fit in that case? I'd rather not bend the case to try and make room for it as I've read other people do.
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December 25, 2013 4:08:17 AM

varundbest said:
Op must be confused,
R9 280X good but 770 is better at 1080p at least(4gb version of 770 is another matter), I wont go further on that. 280X is basically 7970. I generally ask people to go for 280X but if 770 is cheaper or off equal price, go for it if 280X is cheaper then it's best bang for buck!


Yeah, it's like debating the 680 to 7970.
Which never won because they both had their benefits.
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December 25, 2013 4:09:23 AM

Kempffer said:
I just have one last question concerning my build, I've read the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO has trouble fitting in the NZXT Source 210 case, so I've decided on the Source 220 instead. Does anybody know if the CPU cooler will fit in that case? I'd rather not bend the case to try and make room for it as I've read other people do.


I read some reviews, and that case can hold the 212, but just barely.
You should be fine.
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December 25, 2013 11:08:06 PM

varundbest said:
Overclocked 280X vs stock 770, is it fair??


Djentleman said:
@Slimething
I called you a liar, that's all i remember.
I know the 280x is better in bf4. You're memory is lacking.
I wish their was a way to stifle you; either that, or block you.
But nope, i continue to see you spouting your ignorant bias on the forums trying to protect a company that doesn't care about you.
You come onto a thread where OP is trying to find a good card at 1080p for a good price. The 280x in his location is 100$ extra, and you still try and suggest it saying
"770 get roflstomped at 1080p" showing biased benchmarks of amd optimized titles and expect me to not call out on your stupidity.

You really are walking on a twig of an argument.
You can't even come up with your own. Making a vague statement "Biased response with a cherry picked chart". Are you a parrot?
The cards are so similar it's painful.

I'm done though. OP has made his decision, and we should help him.
As for you, i'm done.
Oh yeah, good job with the name.
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/404/2v5v.jpg
This is for you ^


varundbest said:
Op must be confused,
R9 280X good but 770 is better at 1080p at least(4gb version of 770 is another matter), I wont go further on that. 280X is basically 7970. I generally ask people to go for 280X but if 770 is cheaper or off equal price, go for it if 280X is cheaper then it's best bang for buck!


That's right, you called me a liar, and NO you did not say the 280x > 770 in BF4; you did the same thing as here, simply make a statement that is not backed by facts. In that thread the OP listed 3 games, with BF4 being the most GPU intensive. You gave him faulty information with expectations that a 770 will run BF4 well at Ultra settings. It does not; I had one and it could not handle the game at those settings; stutter and lag spikes constantly. Why would you tell someone to get a 770 when the 2 other games were mundane GPU intensive compared to BF4?

A sure sign one is losing the argument is when they resort to ad hominem attacks rather than present facts.

For your reviewing pleasure:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1886820/gtx-770-...

Another person chimed in also calling me a liar because I said my system does not run hot, so I posted a video providing the cpu/gpu temps.

I've looked at multiple benchmarks for 280x vs GTX 770 @1080p performance. There are only a few that strongly favor the 770 which you probably think are not nVidia titles ROFL. The 280x is superior in the majority of tests when all are averaged out, particularly with the latest drivers. Synthetic benchmarks do not reflect what your claims are either.

You said there's no way I can run BF4 at 70 FPS at max settings even though Hardocp got 65. So here's a video for you too. Ezvid did not record it all that well compared to the first one so it looks like crap, possibly due to data hdd write speed issues, but the FPS can plainly be seen. I don't care to redo it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5esfc3Vk78

FRAPS results (FPS is capped at 100):
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
26954, 364140, 51, 100, 74.021

Now it is time for you to post a video using the same map, full server Operation Locker for this server: BanZore.com 24/7 Hardcore Operation Locker #1200 tickets# which is usually full. Shanghai buries the 770 on Ultra settings, so here's a fair chance for you to try and get some good FPS. Put up or shut up. Either that or apologize for calling me a liar, otherwise count on being called out when providing "advice" that is so utterly biased it is laughable.

What you did for this OP was post a cherry picked benchmark for Bioshock in order to sway the OP's decision, when there are several others that show both cards having similar results.

BTW, I would not recommend the 280x at the current price points. Also, in more serious gaming higher FPS is preferred over eye candy, so I tweak to approach 100 avg FPS and the lowest input lag possible, which the 21.5" IPS monitor you recommended will not provide.
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December 25, 2013 11:26:17 PM

280x = 7970
770 = 680
/Thread
They are both the same tier, anyone who says one performs better in everything is stupid.
It's all subjective.
OP lives in the us, i play bf4 ultra, he shouldn't have issues.
You argument is filled with holes.
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December 27, 2013 12:42:33 AM

Djentleman said:
280x = 7970
770 = 680
/Thread
They are both the same tier, anyone who says one performs better in everything is stupid.
It's all subjective.
OP lives in the us, i play bf4 ultra, he shouldn't have issues.
You argument is filled with holes.


280x = 7970 Ghz

So when are you going to post a video of your FPS at the max settings in BF4? I'm very interested if the Shanghai craps out your system as it did in mine. Not everyone is satisfied with being good 'nuff.

My current settings are (apparently Toms Hardware doesn't support Imgur):
Medium settings except for Terrain and Mesh quality are Ultra, 2x msaa, SSAO.
http://imgur.com/wsHwMri


I just played about 15 minutes on Op Locker. Will you call me a liar again? Shall I post another video to prove it? Where's your video?
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
72469, 567609, 81, 181, 127.674

Why is that important? Because even 60 FPS is not that great and because for the Asus VG278HE or similar monitor to be worth buying, the video card must be able to provide consistently high FPS under all conditions; 60 FPS doesn't get it, and neither do 60 hz monitors. I know very few serious gamers that are satisfied with 50-60 FPS, and the poor saps being told they'll have a killer setup at that framerate will be wanting. While you think you are giving good advice, it may be for some, but in time they'll wonder why so many others seem quicker on the draw than they are and getting owned, when it may be mostly a factor of their hardware causing input lag etc. It all adds up.

So, I'm dialing the GPU (and PC as a whole) in to get the sharpest video quality at the highest possible FPS to determine if the 280x is worthy of the better monitor. I think now if lowering the Terrain and Mesh (the two most important) quality to High or Medium from Ultra, the magic number may be achievable. To be honest, I don't see much difference in video quality from the current settings and Ultra anyway. To each his own.

After two weeks of testing, the 770 just didn't cut it, so back to Newegg it went. I'm still not certain about this 280x either, but it is a head above the 770 so far for BF4. If Mantle turns out being anything close to DICE's hype, it won't even be an argument anymore, and that's why I'm waiting.

Your best bet is to stop giving advice unless the OP doesn't care about performance, and that includes recommending monitors that SUCK for serious gaming. First ask what their expectations are; do they want the full Monty eye candy or do they want speed and to dominate their opponents. If they want both, neither cards will make the grade and they'll need to spend >$600. And that is the point I was making from the start.

That's my last post on this matter.


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December 28, 2013 3:11:26 AM

770 and 280x are both in the same tier.
You're falling into the age old nvidia vs amd fanboy war.
Of course the 280x performs better in BF, it's an amd title. That doesn't make the 280x better than it. Get off your high horse, and use logic.
Mantle isn't out even at their promised dec. date.
It's going to fail like glide did, shouldn't even be apart of any argument.

I had a 290 and tested it versus my 770. There was only a 10fps difference. Wasn't worth the heat and coil whine.
@op when do you get your system?
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December 28, 2013 11:44:16 AM

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770 and 280x are both in the same tier.
You're falling into the age old nvidia vs amd fanboy war.
Of course the 280x performs better in BF, it's an amd title. That doesn't make the 280x better than it. Get off your high horse, and use logic.
Mantle isn't out even at their promised dec. date.
It's going to fail like glide did, shouldn't even be apart of any argument.

I had a 290 and tested it versus my 770. There was only a 10fps difference. Wasn't worth the heat and coil whine.
@op when do you get your system?


Not sure yet, hoping to order everything and have it built by this coming friday. But maybe not until next monday as I'm a little short on my budget.
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December 30, 2013 12:23:06 PM

Owned both ati and nvidia cards. Nvidia wins every time. Like the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. Every ati card I've owned always gave me some sort of issue. Mostly due to drivers I'm sure. Just like thier possessors amd/ati are a few steps behind the rest.
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December 30, 2013 6:59:39 PM

This is just my two cents. The GTX 770 will be a much better choice. 280X will run hotter and most of those benchmarks did not have BF4 tweaked or any tweaks really for that matter. When you buy a Nvidia card you can use useful tools like Nvidia inspector to get the most out of your card and to maximize performance. With BF4 tweaked to perform above 60FPS and VSync on you can get a solid 60 FPS with no screen tearing using a GTX760 let alone a 770. Also, I advise against Windows 8, it looks more like a tablet then a real PC and has many issues. Go with Windows 7 64Bit and ViewSonic is a low cost monitor brand that offers great quality, check them out. Hope I helped.
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December 30, 2013 11:30:26 PM

i have one thing that we all can agree on instead of fighting over which one on is better *cough cough* R9 280x but this does have its know problems like coil whine so sadly i cannot recommend getting it and windows 8 is well windows 8, words cat describe my disappointment in that OS i hope they bring back the Windows 7 feel back or at least have that option
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December 31, 2013 8:25:17 AM

Gtx 770 but pick up a 4GB version because games like bf4 and graphically intensive games are using more then 2 gb now and will be using even more in games to come
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December 31, 2013 9:16:27 AM

If it were like a month ago i would say the 280x it was 100 bucks less then, not only that but no one is sure is mantle is gunna be amazng or the biggest flop ever. If mantle were out and its great, then 280x if you wanna play it safe and not hope on mantle like i am i would say 770, both will max out most games at 1080 anyways
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December 31, 2013 8:11:41 PM

Panteraleo said:
If it were like a month ago i would say the 280x it was 100 bucks less then, not only that but no one is sure is mantle is gunna be amazng or the biggest flop ever. If mantle were out and its great, then 280x if you wanna play it safe and not hope on mantle like i am i would say 770, both will max out most games at 1080 anyways


It was 30$ less.
But yeah. The litecoin miners are what gobbled them up.
I think it's a rather futile endeavor if you ask me.
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January 2, 2014 2:13:24 AM


Not sure yet, hoping to order everything and have it built by this coming friday. But maybe not until next monday as I'm a little short on my budget. said:

Not sure yet, hoping to order everything and have it built by this coming friday. But maybe not until next monday as I'm a little short on my budget.


@op
If your budget can handle it get a 120GB (or larger) ssd to use as a boot & BF4 drive! The loading times are LARGELY reduced with an ssd, not to mention the general feel of the computer being much improved. I personally like the Samsung 840 or 850 range but pretty much any brand will do, they all provide a better experience over an hdd.

As for 770 vs 7970, I have both & I'd say get whichever is cheaper the time. If it's close on price then I'd probably say 770, but only if 1080p is your target resolution. BF4 *just* fits into the 2GB you get on the normal board.
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January 2, 2014 3:12:54 AM

I heed you one warning. I am going to buy the 280x, but after extensive research, a lot of users are reporting numerous problems with it (artifacts, lag, and DOA's). This might be partly due to it being a very recent GPU and AMD is still working out the kinks. Buy with this precaution. Other than that, a very good card for its price. Spotted it for $240.
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January 18, 2014 12:02:11 PM

I finally finished my build and it's running great, with one exception, my 1600MHz RAM is running at 1333MHz, I'm told I need to set it to 1600MHz in the Bios myself. I'm not sure how to do so?
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April 11, 2014 8:19:51 PM

Kempffer said:
I finally finished my build and it's running great, with one exception, my 1600MHz RAM is running at 1333MHz, I'm told I need to set it to 1600MHz in the Bios myself. I'm not sure how to do so?


just curious which GPU did you end up getting?
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