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December 24, 2013 11:18:53 AM

I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?

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December 24, 2013 11:27:11 AM

The PREDATOR said:
I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?


There are multiple reasons why you can't, and don't want to, do this.
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December 24, 2013 11:32:23 AM

You should just stick with a single, 2.5" SSD.

mSATA is for laptops without the space for even a 2.5" SSD or to be used in conjunction with a Hard Drive essentially as an SSHD (hybrid drive).

The noticeable performance past a single, half-decent SSD drops to basically NOTHING anyway.
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December 24, 2013 11:35:46 AM

USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:
I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?


There are multiple reasons why you can't, and don't want to, do this.


photonboy said:
You should just stick with a single, 2.5" SSD.

mSATA is for laptops without the space for even a 2.5" SSD or to be used in conjunction with a Hard Drive essentially as an SSHD (hybrid drive).


The noticeable performance past a single, half-decent SSD drops to basically NOTHING anyway.


I am aware, but I want to know how to Raid them together or why you can't.

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December 24, 2013 11:49:10 AM

The PREDATOR said:
USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:
I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?


There are multiple reasons why you can't, and don't want to, do this.


photonboy said:
You should just stick with a single, 2.5" SSD.

mSATA is for laptops without the space for even a 2.5" SSD or to be used in conjunction with a Hard Drive essentially as an SSHD (hybrid drive).


The noticeable performance past a single, half-decent SSD drops to basically NOTHING anyway.


I am aware, but I want to know how to Raid them together or why you can't.



"Can you", with that laptop? Maybe. I don't know.

Drawbacks?
RAID 0 is limited to the size of the smallest in the array xn. For example, 32GB + 64GB + 128GB + 128GB is merely 32GB x 4. 128GB.
Fail. With RAID 0, fail of any drive = losing the whole array.

Benefits? Unless you are routinely moving multi gigabyte files in and out, you gain little if anything over simply a larger SSD. For the main system 'drive', you gain nothing as far as speed is concerned.

For regular desktop use, RAID in any configuration is rarely needed or desired.
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December 24, 2013 11:56:23 AM

USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:
USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:
I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?


There are multiple reasons why you can't, and don't want to, do this.


photonboy said:
You should just stick with a single, 2.5" SSD.

mSATA is for laptops without the space for even a 2.5" SSD or to be used in conjunction with a Hard Drive essentially as an SSHD (hybrid drive).


The noticeable performance past a single, half-decent SSD drops to basically NOTHING anyway.


I am aware, but I want to know how to Raid them together or why you can't.



"Can you", with that laptop? Maybe. I don't know.

Drawbacks?
RAID 0 is limited to the size of the smallest in the array xn. For example, 32GB + 64GB + 128GB + 128GB is merely 32GB x 4. 128GB.
Fail. With RAID 0, fail of any drive = losing the whole array.

Benefits? Unless you are routinely moving multi gigabyte files in and out, you gain little if anything over simply a larger SSD. For the main system 'drive', you gain nothing as far as speed is concerned.

For regular desktop use, RAID in any configuration is rarely needed or desired.


Oh yea I know if one goes, all data is lost. And that there is not a lot of noticeable speed increase. I want to do a raid with two of each at 256gb to make a raid 0 knowing all the reasons not to do it but I want to. and i want to know WHY I Can't OR How I Can
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December 24, 2013 12:04:53 PM

The PREDATOR said:


Oh yea I know if one goes, all data is lost. And that there is not a lot of noticeable speed increase. I want to do a raid with two of each at 256gb to make a raid 0 knowing all the reasons not to do it but I want to. and i want to know WHY I Can't OR How I Can


Well then. Go forth and be an explorer! Teach us how to do it, or if you can't with consumer grade equipment.

That would make a good tutorial, success or fail.
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December 24, 2013 12:12:56 PM

USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:


Oh yea I know if one goes, all data is lost. And that there is not a lot of noticeable speed increase. I want to do a raid with two of each at 256gb to make a raid 0 knowing all the reasons not to do it but I want to. and i want to know WHY I Can't OR How I Can


Well then. Go forth and be an explorer! Teach us how to do it, or if you can't with consumer grade equipment.

That would make a good tutorial, success or fail.


The laptop has two Sata and two mSata ports. I was told that you can't do them together but you can do both mSata in a raid and both Sata in a raid, I want to be able to do all four in a Raid 0 and want to know why it was said that you can't do a msata and sata together or how i can do them together. :p 

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December 24, 2013 12:27:15 PM

Whoever said that, probably does not actually know, and is just going off something they heard.

If the BIOS and the RAID software sees the mSATA and SATA rdrives and 'just drives'...it might well be possible to RAID all 4.

Try it and see.
If it were me buying 4 SSD drives, I'd just get 2 x 256 or 500GB drives, and run them independently. OS and applications on one, data on the other. Same or better speed, and far less chance of fail.

Try it. Let us know what happens.
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December 24, 2013 12:38:00 PM

USAFRet said:
Whoever said that, probably does not actually know, and is just going off something they heard.

If the BIOS and the RAID software sees the mSATA and SATA rdrives and 'just drives'...it might well be possible to RAID all 4.

Try it and see.
If it were me buying 4 SSD drives, I'd just get 2 x 256 or 500GB drives, and run them independently. OS and applications on one, data on the other. Same or better speed, and far less chance of fail.

Try it. Let us know what happens.


Yea I asked the guys over at Xotic PC where they sell the Sager laptops and they never sent and email back to WHY i can't do it. I don't store important stuff on my computer so I'll take my chances. If I can do it, it will be the highest mobile computer in the world!
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December 24, 2013 12:42:12 PM

The PREDATOR said:
USAFRet said:
Whoever said that, probably does not actually know, and is just going off something they heard.

If the BIOS and the RAID software sees the mSATA and SATA rdrives and 'just drives'...it might well be possible to RAID all 4.

Try it and see.
If it were me buying 4 SSD drives, I'd just get 2 x 256 or 500GB drives, and run them independently. OS and applications on one, data on the other. Same or better speed, and far less chance of fail.

Try it. Let us know what happens.


Yea I asked the guys over at Xotic PC where they sell the Sager laptops and they never sent and email back to WHY i can't do it. I don't store important stuff on my computer so I'll take my chances. If I can do it, it will be the highest mobile computer in the world!


1 x 512GB SATA drive is marginally faster than 2 x 256 SATA drives in RAID 0.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,...

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December 26, 2013 1:23:04 AM

The MANUAL for the laptop should tell you. I couldn't find one.

I would bet that whoever told you that you can't RAID0 the M-SATA with the regular SATA is correct though.

You can spend your money however you like, but you'd NEVER see a real-world benefit and anybody you tell would just roll their eyes at how much money you wasted.

It would cost you $800 plus tax so let's round that off to $1000. Basically you'd be throwing $750 in the garbage and then not even have a BACKUP DRIVE capability which is far more important.

I strongly recommend doing THIS instead:
1) 256GB SSD (M-Sata or 2.5"; whichever makes most sense for price/performance)

2) HDD for backup using Acronis True Image.
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March 7, 2014 10:40:36 PM

The PREDATOR said:
USAFRet said:
The PREDATOR said:
I want to buy the Sager np9380-s and get 2 mSATA and 2 SSD's is it possible to set all four into raid 0?


There are multiple reasons why you can't, and don't want to, do this.


photonboy said:
You should just stick with a single, 2.5" SSD.

mSATA is for laptops without the space for even a 2.5" SSD or to be used in conjunction with a Hard Drive essentially as an SSHD (hybrid drive).


The noticeable performance past a single, half-decent SSD drops to basically NOTHING anyway.


I am aware, but I want to know how to Raid them together or why you can't.



That is not true that you can't setup RAID 0 between 2.5" SATA and mSATA drives. In the computer BIOS they look the same so you can setup one RAID 0 volume between all four drives and it will be very fast. I'm teling you this from my experience which I did on a MSI GT60 laptop and I had 3x 1TB Samsung 840 EVO mSATA + 1x 2.5" 1TB Samsung 840 EVO SATA drive so I created a 4TB RAID 0 volume.

Now if that is a smart thing to do or not that will be decided about what is the purpose of you laptop.
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March 17, 2014 7:35:00 AM

Hello Guys
I am replying to this discussion bcos I like this topic and I d like to do RAID 0 with 2x256GB mSATA SSD Plextor M5M very good SSD !
I have one M5M 256 already in machine and speeds are very fast but I can add another but I don't have second mSATA slot but I have normal SATA III slot .
ANd I want to do it the way that I will install mSATA SSD into the mSATA to SATA adapter check link below :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODcCT-PQqw

About your RAID 0 setup you can try to do 4x RAID 0 BUT you make sure that your intel chipset support creating 4xRAID 0
As far as I know I tried it on my former Vaio AW laptop I had 2x 2.5'' SSDs and I had 2x1.8'' SSDs
One 2.5'' SSD was installed in normal drive bay second was in optibay (I removd optical drive) and other two 1.8'' SSDs were installed in other drive bay which was dual SATA connector ! Everything was perfeclty setup yeah Intel RAID utility nicely showed all drives (image below)
But unfortunately I couldn't create RAID from all 4 I was gutted and I didn't understand why .. Was checking everything everywhere and I was told on one forum to check Intel chipset support on Intel site .. And YES There was list of all chipsets and all their features and it was there written that I can make RAID 0 only with two drives ! So obviously I had 4 SSDs I made DUAL RAID 0 two and two SSDs ..

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March 21, 2014 6:22:47 PM

Ethos Evoss said:
Hello Guys
I am replying to this discussion bcos I like this topic and I d like to do RAID 0 with 2x256GB mSATA SSD Plextor M5M very good SSD !
I have one M5M 256 already in machine and speeds are very fast but I can add another but I don't have second mSATA slot but I have normal SATA III slot .
ANd I want to do it the way that I will install mSATA SSD into the mSATA to SATA adapter check link below :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODcCT-PQqw

About your RAID 0 setup you can try to do 4x RAID 0 BUT you make sure that your intel chipset support creating 4xRAID 0
As far as I know I tried it on my former Vaio AW laptop I had 2x 2.5'' SSDs and I had 2x1.8'' SSDs
One 2.5'' SSD was installed in normal drive bay second was in optibay (I removd optical drive) and other two 1.8'' SSDs were installed in other drive bay which was dual SATA connector ! Everything was perfeclty setup yeah Intel RAID utility nicely showed all drives (image below)
But unfortunately I couldn't create RAID from all 4 I was gutted and I didn't understand why .. Was checking everything everywhere and I was told on one forum to check Intel chipset support on Intel site .. And YES There was list of all chipsets and all their features and it was there written that I can make RAID 0 only with two drives ! So obviously I had 4 SSDs I made DUAL RAID 0 two and two SSDs ..



I've done lots of tests with different SSD configurations (faster vs slower, 2x and 3x RAID0 etc). Long story short, in the REAL WORLD it's almost impossible to tell the difference in speed of ANY configuration of modern SSD's.

There are multiple reasons, one of which is that much of the data is buffered to the SYSTEM RAM (i.e. DDR3) and if it's accessed from there your SSD isn't even involved. For example, if you launch Microsoft Office the first time after a cold boot it may take a couple seconds on a slow HDD, but a split second on an SSD. However, closing and launching again is very fast on BOTH as much of the data is accessed from the System RAM.

RAID0 is also less reliable. My final conclusion was that RAID0 simply isn't worth it in any scenario.
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