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December 25, 2013 11:05:35 AM

I have a problem choosing between these two cards:

Gigabyte AMD Radeon R9 280X OC, 3GB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

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Gigabyte NVidia GeForce GTX 760 OC, 2GB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

I want it to be able to run games for as long as possible. Price difference is no prob. Obviously I will overclock.

One is 2gb the other is 3gb. But they are like in the same area of performance. So IDK what to do, help me choose.

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December 25, 2013 11:16:37 AM

They're actually not in the same area of performance. The R9 280X is a step above the GTX 760, so you should get that. It performs better for the most part, but if possible I'd recommend you get the 2GB GTX 770 ($340):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It performs better than both the R9 280X and GTX 760, but you get the advantage of having superior drivers from Nvidia rather than having to settle with AMD's finnicky ones.
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December 25, 2013 11:27:59 AM

Deus Gladiorum said:
They're actually not in the same area of performance. The R9 280X is a step above the GTX 760, so you should get that. It performs better for the most part, but if possible I'd recommend you get the 2GB GTX 770 ($340):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It performs better than both the R9 280X and GTX 760, but you get the advantage of having superior drivers from Nvidia rather than having to settle with AMD's finnicky ones.


I actually can't order any other cards. I chose the cards because in the country I am in they are the best bang for the buck cards I could find. Here look.

http://www.yoytec.com/index.php/cPath/26_39_94(Scroll down to the 350$ price range)
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December 25, 2013 11:34:06 AM

Deus Gladiorum said:
They're actually not in the same area of performance. The R9 280X is a step above the GTX 760, so you should get that. It performs better for the most part, but if possible I'd recommend you get the 2GB GTX 770 ($340):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It performs better than both the R9 280X and GTX 760, but you get the advantage of having superior drivers from Nvidia rather than having to settle with AMD's finnicky ones.


I've seen this claim a lot, are there any real studies or documents showing AMD having bad drivers and Nvidia good drivers? Cause as far as I can see, it's just 16-year-olds group thinking, i.e. they say something because they see others saying it too even though they don't know if it's true or not.
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December 25, 2013 11:44:13 AM

There's plenty of evidence, both for me personally and from a lot of things I've observed. For example, you'll find a lot more games specifically optimized for Nvidia than you will for AMD. Just as an example, think about how often you've seen "Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played" when starting up a game as compared to seeing AMD's logo? Yes, believe it or not that makes a difference in games. Aside from that, another example is the huge problems that surrounded/still surround the R9 290 and R9 290X wih regards to heating and fan usage. Adding onto it, look anywhere and you'll find that AMD's CrossFire is nowhere near as efficient as Nvidia's SLI, both in terms of power usage and heating, as well as in frame time variance and stuttering. And personally, Nvidia's Control Panel is far easier to use and gives way better options than anything I've seen in CCC.
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December 25, 2013 12:22:57 PM

Deus Gladiorum said:
There's plenty of evidence, both for me personally and from a lot of things I've observed. For example, you'll find a lot more games specifically optimized for Nvidia than you will for AMD. Just as an example, think about how often you've seen "Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played" when starting up a game as compared to seeing AMD's logo? Yes, believe it or not that makes a difference in games. Aside from that, another example is the huge problems that surrounded/still surround the R9 290 and R9 290X wih regards to heating and fan usage. Adding onto it, look anywhere and you'll find that AMD's CrossFire is nowhere near as efficient as Nvidia's SLI, both in terms of power usage and heating, as well as in frame time variance and stuttering. And personally, Nvidia's Control Panel is far easier to use and gives way better options than anything I've seen in CCC.


1- So you had bad personal experience with an AMD driver? I've had issues after issues with an Nvidia driver, and yet AMD drivers worked perfectly, but I'm not going to use that to make a blanket statement about all AMD and Nvidia drivers as you would.
2- "Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played" is nothing but marketing. Nvidia pays game devs to put that label on and give people the impression it runs better with the PhysX gimmick. Not to mention there's only about a dozen that use it.
3- "R9 290 and R9 290X with regards to heating and fan usage" this a because of a weak reference cooler and has nothing to do with drivers. The custom 290s of the present have no such issues. But of course Nvidia has never had overheating cards with crap coolers like the GTX 480...
4- "AMD's CrossFire is nowhere near as efficient as Nvidia's SLI" If you're living in the past yes. But they've long since released a driver that eliminates microstutter.
5- "Nvidia's Control Panel is far easier to use and gives way better options than anything I've seen in CCC." What are these extra options? And what do you need aside from V-sync, TB, AA and such?

And I'm still waiting for an official source with objective statistics and data showing Nvidia drivers are better than AMD drivers.
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December 25, 2013 12:50:08 PM

Experience speaks for itself. Maybe you can Google what you're looking for if coming in here mid post demanding 'proof' is the object of your post. I can honestly say that I wouldn't think twice about keeping you in the dark and wish you the best of luck buddy.
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December 25, 2013 1:02:53 PM

There's no need to take such an obnoxious tone for a debate that I'm not even trying to have. All I said was Nvidia's drivers are more reliable. I'm not saying they trump AMD completely and are a game changer, but between two similarly performing cards, i.e. The R9 280X and the GTX 770, there's more games optimized for Nvidia and it's better to go with Nvidia. If you're comparing two cards of different classes, i.e. the R9 280X and the GTX 760, then unless the drivers are absolutely awful (which I haven't been saying is the case for AMD) then go for the more powerful of the two, i.e. the R9 280X.

In addition, for someone so ready and willing to bash my claims, your counterarguments don't exactly do a lot of citing either.
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December 25, 2013 1:27:34 PM

I have personally had no major issues with AMD drivers.
I recently updated to 13.12 (I had been on 13.1 because 13.4 had a minor bug but it is fixed)
So far no issues. People keep repeating AMD driver issues, but NVidia was the one that released card FRYING drivers TWICE
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December 25, 2013 1:29:17 PM

Although citing AMD's change from a monthly release cycle to an "as needed" cycle doesn't really need any links to prove, and there have been a string of drivers recently so they must have been needed. :whistle: 
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December 25, 2013 1:33:35 PM

smeezekitty said:
I have personally had no major issues with AMD drivers.
I recently updated to 13.12 (I had been on 13.1 because 13.4 had a minor bug but it is fixed)
So far no issues. People keep repeating AMD driver issues, but NVidia was the one that released card FRYING drivers TWICE


Twice?
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December 25, 2013 2:27:26 PM

This isn't helping me decide guys :/ . They are both good GPUs, I just wanna know if those 50$ im paying extra than the Nvidia will make a difference. If not Ill just stick with 760 OC.
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December 25, 2013 2:32:34 PM

Charles Daher said:
This isn't helping me decide guys :/ . They are both good GPUs, I just wanna know if those 50$ im paying extra than the Nvidia will make a difference. If not Ill just stick with 760 OC.


Flip a coin mate, it's your best bet.
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December 25, 2013 2:37:44 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Charles Daher said:
This isn't helping me decide guys :/ . They are both good GPUs, I just wanna know if those 50$ im paying extra than the Nvidia will make a difference. If not Ill just stick with 760 OC.


Flip a coin mate, it's your best bet.


YOLO
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December 25, 2013 3:19:01 PM

Mousemonkey said:
smeezekitty said:
I have personally had no major issues with AMD drivers.
I recently updated to 13.12 (I had been on 13.1 because 13.4 had a minor bug but it is fixed)
So far no issues. People keep repeating AMD driver issues, but NVidia was the one that released card FRYING drivers TWICE


Twice?


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320.18
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December 25, 2013 5:16:39 PM

320.18 hasn't fried either of my cards and it hasn't been removed from the download site but I'll give you the first one as Nvidia acknowledged that.
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December 25, 2013 9:58:32 PM

Deus Gladiorum said:
There's no need to take such an obnoxious tone for a debate that I'm not even trying to have. All I said was Nvidia's drivers are more reliable. I'm not saying they trump AMD completely and are a game changer, but between two similarly performing cards, i.e. The R9 280X and the GTX 770, there's more games optimized for Nvidia and it's better to go with Nvidia. If you're comparing two cards of different classes, i.e. the R9 280X and the GTX 760, then unless the drivers are absolutely awful (which I haven't been saying is the case for AMD) then go for the more powerful of the two, i.e. the R9 280X.

In addition, for someone so ready and willing to bash my claims, your counterarguments don't exactly do a lot of citing either.

Well when people make ignorant claims I can't help but reply.
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December 25, 2013 9:59:54 PM

magneezo said:
Experience speaks for itself. Maybe you can Google what you're looking for if coming in here mid post demanding 'proof' is the object of your post. I can honestly say that I wouldn't think twice about keeping you in the dark and wish you the best of luck buddy.

This might come as shock to you but one person's experience doesn't constitute a significant statistical sample.
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