Computer Will Not POST After Installing A Graphics Card Or After Putting The Old One Back

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Built a new computer, the links for all the parts are:
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Case: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6430030&CatId=1509
CPU: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4283004&CatId=1946
Motherboard: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963429&csid=_61
Ram: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1412140&csid=_61
DVD-ROM: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7982323&CatId=89
Hard Drive: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3232686&sku=TSD-WD10EZEX&cm_re=Homepage-_-Zone1_3-_-CatId_8_TSD-WD10EZEX
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
PSU: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276567&Sku=ULT-LSP750
I doubt you need the mouse, keyboard, and monitor. For the monitor though I borrowed my friend's as mine is coming in the mail.
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These were the parts I first installed the computer with. I downloaded Windows 7 and many programs. Played a few games. Had fun. Then, I had a graphics card come one month later. This is where it all goes sour. I plug in the graphics card and hook it up to the motherboard. I press the power on button. My computer doesn't beep like it usually does and nothing comes up on the monitor. The fans would turn on (even the graphics' card fan). After searching, I learned that the computer wasn't POSTing. Which is only the first stage of booting. I knew something was up. The fans would light up and spin like normal, but there would be no beep. It wouldn't turn off automatically, it would just stay on and not beep or display anything on the monitor. I was like, ok why don't I try using the old graphics card (onboard the motherboard ATI Radeon 3000). I plug the monitor back into the motherboard. No beep and the monitor is still blank. We did more research and tried using a paper-clip (after the computer was off of course) and resetting the motherboard by touching the two pins on the CLR_COMS. This was to reset the BIOS for any issues (even though we didn't change anything). I had the paperclip touch both pins for a full five seconds, restarted... nothing. I took the battery it out for a full thirty minutes. Nothing. I am almost certain that the PSU got overloaded because after doing calculations, I need around 625 watts for my computer (including the graphics card). My PSU does say 750 watts but it has a 78% efficiency (didn't know about the 80 certified during the time, which I will look for if I need a replacement). This brings the wattage of the PSU to around 580. I put too much wattage in the PSU without knowing. I read stories where people would plug it back into the old one and the PSU would work fine again. This is where I get really confused. Did I put so much extra wattage in the PSU that it can't recover? Did I uninstall drivers, no. But I don't think that was the issue since it didn't even POST, so it couldn't load up Windows. I was going to uninstall them after i installed the graphics card. All help is appreciated. I am guessing that my PSU is shot and I need to get a new one. If you guys know this is true, give me some recommendations on an 850-1000+ watt PSU that is under $150ish. I found one that I do like (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7580854&CatId=2534), but I am open to recommendations. I hope you all had a wonderful holiday. And if you have any questions or need further information, comment on this post and I will try to get back to you as soon as I can.
 
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Update: Now the computer doesn't turn on at all, no fans or lights. Is that a PSU issue?

Update 2: Called the Ultra company and they think theat too much wattage was going through it and it overloaded and "died". But luckily they cover it. I will get the same PSU (for free) and not use the graphics card until I buy another PSU. The graphics card that comes with my motherboard is a ATI Radeon 3000. Still better than my old mac right? XD Well now I have to see if the motherboard is also shot. But I won't be able to find out unless I get a new PSU.

I guess I solved my issue? Well now it is just a form of recommendations for 850+ PSUs that are under $150ish.
 
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I will keep everyone updated with the story. My plan is to get another PSU and then test it out on my computer. If it doesn't work, I know the motherboard is broken too.
 
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550 watts is around the exact I need actually. And thats not even taking efficiency into consideration. Realistically, I need 400 watts for the video card, 125 watts for the processor, 0 for the motherboard (?), 8 watts for both ram sticks, and 6 watts for all the USB devices. That comes to 539 watts. This number does exclude all future upgrades I plan on doing. The future upgrades is the big reason for getting a high wattage PSU, and there are going to be a lot of them. But it is great knowing I picked a good PSU by having not just you on this forum but other people on other forums tell me this is a good PSU.

Concluding, I know this is a ton of wattage, but I plan on keeping this PSU for a while and making huge upgrades to this PC with a lot of extra wattage needed. Thanks for the feedback and giving me more assurance on this brand of PSU.
 
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No, you don't need 400W for the video card! That may be nVidia's recommendation, but it is for the entire system not just the video card. Your card has a single PCIe connector; to remain within PCIe specifications, it can draw no more than 75W for the PCIe slot plus 75W for the single 6-pin connector, or 150W total. In actual use, that card will most likely draw less than 110W.
 
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Wow, that seems weird. But then how did the other one break in the first place? I guess I got a lot of room for upgrades. XD
 
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Good thing I didn't buy another PSU from that brand. Before ordering the PSU, I was looking at a lot of them and I read that Ultra is very unreliable and that it's Cosair, XFX, and a couple other brands for PSUs. Like I said before, I guess I got a lot of room for upgrades.
 
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I received the PSU today. I hooked it up and got the same result that started this thread. No beeps, but the fans turn on. Its not POSTing. I am guessing it is the motherboard. Am I right? Please help.
 
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I tried taking out the CPU and listening for a beep code. There was none. I call the motherboard company and they say is is probably a motherboard. Their warranty was fine, 3 years. I am going to return it once they except my repair claim (where they try to repair it, but I am guessing I am going to get a new one, all in all. It will be fixed). Now if this works, I just want to know how it happened in the first place. Did the PCI Express 3.0 Video Card crash the PCI Express 2.0 slot? They are said to be backwards compatible. A paper in the video card box said it and all of the internet it said it. Any ideas to how the motherboard crashed/failed?
 
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They didn't accept my return claim yet, its still under review. I am guessing it will need a good 24-48 hours. I will keep the forum updated. Also does anybody know why the motherboard crashed/failed?
 
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Place RAM & CPU into an anti-static bag (hopefully you held onto those after finishing the build)

Ideally, place the CPU back into it's anti-static foam Before putting into the anti-static bag (again, IF you kept it)

BTW, the "750watt" power supply :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276567&Sku=ULT-LSP750

Is "total Max combined" power.....
- what system really need is 12volt power
- 540watts (12volts * 42amps) (hey, but this is MAX, you need continuous power)
-270watts (peak power if typically double continuous, so divide 540watts by 2)

That's why your original PSU could NOT handle the load. It SHOULD have been rated as a "300watt" continuous power supply.... (the extra 30watts is for all the other voltages....)
 
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AMD FD4130FRGUBOX FX-4130 Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 4MB L2 Cache, 3.8GHz (3.9GHz Max Turbo), Socket AM3+, 125W

As you can see this is a 125 Watt TDP (Thermal Design Power) CPU. The motherboard you listed does not support this high 125W TDP CPU. Using unsupported CPUs can cause many problems. I would suggest you look for your revision number in the lower left corner of the motherboard and consulting the CPU Support List. You probably should be using a 95 Watt TDP CPU.

CPU Support List for Rev. 4.
http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4028
 
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Thing is though Calvin, why did it work before I installed the video card? Also for putting my CPU and Ram somewhere safe is going to be tough. I only got 1 anti-static bag and the company says you must mail in the product in an anti-static bag. Neither do I have the CPU anti-static foam. But I do have some foam that came with my monitor, I can cut it to fit. But if that won't work, any other ideas? Thanks again for the help though.
 
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