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Looking at these two computers and need some advice. Asus is more but has only GT640 card while Dell has wireless and GTX645 card. I am mainly getting it for Adobe CC (Photoshop/Illustrator) I do not game. is the GT640 card with 3GB dedicated ok for Adobe? Should I save the $100 and go with the Dell?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Desktop+-+16GB+Memory+-+2TB+Hard+Drive/1362128.p?skuId=1362128&productCategoryId=pcmcat143400050013&id=1219050992109#tab=overview
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/xps-desktop-12gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/2148111.p?id=1219070380085&skuId=2148111&st=dell 8700&cp=1&lp=2
 
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The better idea is to build your own desktop to save a lot of money and also to make one of your choice for your work. Those computers have good parts but except in terms of motherboard. The manufacturers really create a lot of profit by selling those crappy ones.
 
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Building a desktop isnt as hard as it seems, im just 15 years old and i built mine for christmas, i just used the manuels the parts came with ( especially the motherboard one ) and the newegg how to build a pc tutorial and everything works except i need a wifi adapter compatible with windows 8.1 :), it isnt as hard as it seems
 
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then store bought computers like dell acer gateway most times come with a ''locked'' bios and may prevent you from doing any upgrades and are to be used as is as was said above if you plan to have somthing you can fully use and upgrade build your own you can find alot of threads here at toms of folks with them walmart computers that invest in a upgrade just to find it wount work due to a bios fix to prevent that on there computers... this is not done to hurt there enduser but to protect them and there products from bad warenty claims and returns at there cost from a person doing somthing to it and sticking them for it,,, good luck.
 
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2rzq8
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2rzq8/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2rzq8/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($80.06 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.48 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($64.10 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $929.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-28 11:08 EST-0500)

i may have overdomne it a little, it can be tweaked to cost less
 
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As everybody said its not that hard to build a desktop system, how do you feel about it! Are you ready to take a plunge ? If so we will work with you joined shoulders and help you make build a fantastic Desktop PC. We will arrange everything for you, from picking components to assemble a final build. Are you ready ? It will be a fun trust us.

 
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Thanks - I will create a new question in systems and see if I can price out something better for around the same price. I do have a techie relative who I think can put it together for me. I just have no idea what motherboard to buy etc... but I will post that in the right place.
Thanks everyone.
 
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I think I will try it - or at least price it out. I am thinking I should go with an i7. The only limitation I have is that I have $500 of Best Buy gift cards to use towards it so will have to get at least some of it from there. My budget is around $950 (not including monitor)
 
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Thanks for all the info. I was thinking I needed to go with the i7, do you think that would be better? Also, are people still staying away from Windows 8?
 
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Look, honestly if you choose i7 it will cost you more overall, and there is not much of a difference in terms of performance between i5 and i7, and will cost you less.

Now you can go with this list or you can go with Tehflamex list :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($58.86 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech MK520 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Laser Mouse ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-28 12:27 EST-0500)


 
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ya dude it not as hard as you think to do your own build and then you got self satafaction and a little pride in your computer and learn afew things along the way that makes troubleshooting easyer and you got somthing you can work with.. it is the better road to travel.. with them store bought computers your locked down with what they gave you and will more then likly not upgrade when needed... plus you got folks here at toms that when you get an issue there here to try to help you out and get you back on track.. do your own build.
 
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Look, honestly if you choose i7 it will cost you more overall, and there is not much of a difference in terms of performance between i5 and i7, and will cost you less.

Now you can go with this list or you can go with Tehflamex list :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($58.86 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech MK520 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Laser Mouse ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-28 12:27 EST-0500)


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Thanks - that looks good. I have a question about the graphics card - is the Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB the same thing as a Nvidia GeForce GTX 650? Also, I need an internet connection - what do you recommend for that? I don't need wireless for the desktop but probably would for my printer unless I can add a port for that?
 
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+1 on the i5 over the 7 for the normal everyday user/gamer. if it was me looking at that last parts list [of corse to each his own].. i would do i5 over 7 4x4 1600 mem.. spend for a at least 650+ psu... opt.drv. with blueray read for movies.. preixx mx1000 gaming mouse [20$] i got one and it is way nicer then i eaven thought it was going to be [nice] just for me i see were i would spend a little here and save a little there.... but the in the end it what you want ...
 
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Ok so I guess I could go with the i5 if it won't make that much difference with Photoshop. There are a bunch of i5's - how do I pick? is this one good? Intel - Core™ i5-4670 3.4GHz Processor on sale for $218.98.
 
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now I am really looking forward to building. Does this bundle seem like a really good deal from Tiger Direct.
Intel Core i7-3770 3.40 GHz Quad Core Processor and ASUS P8Z77-V LX Intel 7 Series Motherboard Bundle $399.99 for both
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8564602&csid=_22
I know nothing about motherboards so I don't know if this is a good one. or should I just go with the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard that was recommended above?
 
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thats just me for my use. i7 seems like overkill for me and i am not made of money for the $100 diff it would be spent on a dvd with atleast a bluray read.. and a higher psu incase i wanrted a larger card or x-fire/sil i now use a 850w but still i dont think i would go lower than 650w and try to stay quility branded built.. that build list is for ivebridge wich is ok we will stick to that for now

go look at newegg at the i5 here and read some reviews...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
 
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The Intel Core i5-3570k on that link does look like it gets great reviews. It says it comes with Intel HD Graphics 4000 - I want a dedicated graphics card not that one. Does it matter that it is included? I am not sure how that works. Also, probably a total newbie question but how do usb ports work when you build your own? do you have to buy them? Do they connect to the motherboard?



 
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yes thats the way its going nowadays, but you turn that on chip vid. off and use a card, no big deal and if or when the card was to go bad you do got some backup to keep going intill you can fix or get a new vid card...2-- what ever the amount of lets say usb 3 ports are thats whats on the board look at the back panel and you will see some ports there and then some points on the board to hook up to like your front panel usb and so forth ,,, why dont you go to asrock and download the mamual for that board and read it some and get a feel of what your looking at and there should be some how to videos around to watch .. like me there was my first time to just like everybody else... you got to go do it to do it. live and learn you mite find it to be your new hobby. and true you can run into some issues and there is a learning curve. but what dont?? was the first time you rode a bike you were a pro at it ? if yoou dont give it a try and learn how you will never know i'm not trying to push you into anything you got to make up you own mind... like i said there was a first time for me also..
 
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No they are different cards. GTX 650Ti Boost 2GB is better in performance. You can subscribe to any good local ISP for internet connection. You can add a port for printer with a SWITCH or HUB or ROUTER.



 
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so have you decided on anything yet? If you already have you should refer to these videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls ~ how to build a pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok ~ installing windows and drivers
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