Need help for assembly of new rig!

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So i got this build:
Case: NZXT Phantom 410
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670k 3.0GHz 6mb SK1150
RAM: Gskill Ripjaws X DDR3- 1600MHz 2X4gb
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A
PSU: XFX 750w
Disk burner: Samsung DVD-RW 24x Sata
HDD: Western Digital Green 1TB Sata III 64 MB
SDD: Samsung evo 840 120gb
GPU: GTX770 MSI twinfrozr 4gb vram edition
CPU COOLER: Hyper 212 EVO from coolermaster
Also have a USB Stick wifi connector to put in there
This is mostly a gaming rig

So this pc is mostly for gaming, now here are my questions:
1- I have seen some YT videos so i know more or less how to assemble the parts themselves, how gentle do i have to be when i install the parts? Are there parts with which i dont need to concern myself much?
2- Some of the YT videos i have seen the person assembling the computer had an anti static wristband and he warned time and time again for caution against static electricity and others the person who assembled the computer made no remarks to static electricity and had no wristband and all he said was "Dont touch the bottom part of ur CPU with nutella covered fingers", so how concerned should i be with the whole static electricity thing?

Thanks in advance :) i am really nervous, this is my first build, so any help/tips/hacks u want to share with me would be much appreciated :)
Greetings from portugal
 

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1. Just use common sense and don't handle your parts like a gorilla, you should be fine.

2. Try not to touch any of the components, the traces on the PCB or connecters, most things have places you can hold on to them without touching any of the electronics. you have to be a little careful with static electricity but again just use common sense, don't rub your socks on the carpet and grab your CPU.
You could install your PS in your case, have it turned off and plug it in the wall, that will gound your case, touch your case and that will ground all the static charge out of you, then your fine to handle your parts.
 

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Oh so i dont need to worry about static much? I was told not to build atop a carpet and use a table with no cloth on it so it wouldnt produce static.......
Gentle like, pushing them into place softly and slowly and only grabbing them by the sides right?
 

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If you have videos that's a good start.

I typically build on a kitchen table, high up enough not to kill my back, and usually has better lighting. A workbench would be fine as well.

Read the motherboard's manual at least once so you know where all the stuff is and what all the slots do.

It's a good idea once the board is in to plan out your cable routes for SATA drives, as well as any USB ports that the case has on it, no need to plug them all in right away but, it's good to have an idea ahead of time because I've built some systems where I didn't do this and had to reconfigure some paths after the fact because cables were too short or I didn't pay attention to where the ports were on the board. Not a huge deal but it's a pain in the ass.

Seeing that it's your first time, having some thermal paste on hand in case you have to reseat the heatsink on the cpu wouldn't be a bad idea. And oh yeah, don't touch the pins in the socket or on the CPU. I've accidentally touched them myself in the past and didn't suffer from it but it's a good idea to stay away.

As far as static goes, don't build in a carpet or a staticky surface, and keep your hands clean. I wouldn't stress a whole lot about wearing a static band and such but, you do want to limit it as much as possible.

The MOST important advice for your first build is to be PATIENT!

Good luck and have fun!
 
if it winter time and or a dry location...what you dont want to do is walk across carpet or pet your pets then pick up computer parts. if your floor is wood or tile your better off. take your socks off and any fuzzy slippers. try not to walk around the table. if your mom has a lazy susan or something you can put the case on and turn it it help you in your build.
the ram is keyed one way only takes some force to lock it in. with intel cpu before you put it into the cpu slot. check for bent pins with a flashlight. if there none line up the cpu and drop it in. it takes some force to close the newer intel latches.
the hard part is pushing the mb against the foam of the io shield asus shield are over padded. it take two people to install the mb. one to push and one to install the screws to lock the mb down on top of the standoffs. to help you out put the cpu and cpu cooler and ram outside the case. then do a first post outside the case to make sure the mb/cpu are posting. just go into the bios...sit at the bios temp screen for 10 min make sure the cpu cooler on right..temp should be 30-45c.
with the first boot working fine..turn the power supply off and install the mb into the case. with new motherboard do not install or remove any parts with the power cable plugged into the wall. newer mb hold voltage and you can fry your mb.
always make sure the motherboards power good led is out before you start pulling parts.
 

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Thank you everyone so much :)
The nzxt phantom 410 has good cable management so i guess i can easily plan out stuff :) since the PSU is modular the cable setup should be easier
I do have a wooden like kitchen table and a stone floor with a carpet on it i can just put it aside for a while
I do have some MX4 thermal paste which i bought in case i have to put more or put it again
I didnt know that part about removing/adding components with the power on, thanks for that :)
By the way since this is an after-market cpu-cooler do i have to buy a backplate to put in the mobo to hold the heatsink and fan in place?
Oh and i am planning to OC after a while, when i get everything set up nicely so any advices on that?
 

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Yes, that's the idea and you should be fine. Just try not to finger the edge connecters or the PCB itself and you should be fine. Handle your graphics card by the edge, the CPU by the edge and also memory. Just be careful, you know what not to touch and what is OK to grab onto. You will be fine, enjoy our build :)
 

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If the cooler you bought requires a backing plate it should have come with it, they usually do.

As for overclocking, that's a whole new topic on its own!

I unfortunately don't have the time right now so I'll leave that to others, or for another day. Cheers!
 
I use to swear by anti-static wristbands... but it is largely overblown. So long as you are not shuffling your feet on carpet the whole time, and as long as you touch the case on occasion then you will be at the same ground level as the computer parts and it isn't an issue. However, if there is thick carpet under foot then a wrist strap is not a bad idea... just potentially overly cautious.

The part about not touching the bottom of the CPU is actually quite valid, but it is due to residue rather than static. Your hands, even when freshly washed, have oil on them. Plain and simple, humans are gross. End of story. It is just best not to touch any of the contact points between components because there is a chance (however slight) that something of your grubby hands will rub off and cause a mild short between pins which can cause issues.

That said, with the several computers I have built over the years my hands have slipped onto the back side on more than one occasion with no repercussions. But then again my hands were not covered in nutella either (I prefer peanut butter!).


As for building the PC, force is almost entirely uncalled for. If you feel that you are having to musscle something into place then chances are that you need to take a step back and see what you are doing wrong. Screws should go in easily unless you have them mis-threaded or have the wrong type of screw for the job. ATX standards are very precise, so unless you bought some $5 bargain case then all holes and mountings should fit perfectly with no need for wiggle room to get things to latch properly. Cables should always have a fair amount of slack, and if you have to make them taught in order to reach then it is time to go pick up an extension.

The only exceptions to this is the CPU socket and some CPU coolers which can require a little bit of force to make a good solid connection. Just make sure that the CPU is oriented properly before bringing down the LGA bracket and your CPU should be fine for the LGA installation. I have an EVO cooler as well and it does require a little bit of force to get the 2nd screw onto the tension rod that holds the cooler to the CPU. Mind you, it should not take all of your strength or weight... but it may be on the verge of worrisome, especially your first time when the bar is fresh.

One last note on your build:
When planning out your cooling, keep a few things in mind. One big thing is that the CPU die under that heat shield is a single long piece. If you orient your CPU cooler to blow front-to-back like normal then the length of the CPU die will line up with the center 2 heat pipes of the EVO cooler, making the outer pipes essentially useless. If you mount the cooler to move air bottom-to-top then the heat pipes will be perpendicular to the CPU die and all of your pipes will be used properly. This can make a decent difference in the cooling capability of your EVO cooler, and in my system I found a 5*c drop at idle, and a 10*c drop on load simply by changing the orientation. This is much more important on newer chips as their heat density is so much higher and it is harder to disperse that to the heat sink.

Also with the EVO, the fan kinda sucks, which may become an issue during the hotter times of the year. Thankfully the stock fan on it is easy to replace, and it comes with mounting brackets to put a 2nd fan on the other side for a push-pull configuration. I got 2 nice low RPM Corsair 120mm fans for it and now it is dead silent while offering much more cooling performance. This is not really a huge deal, but something to think about down the road.

Another thing to note is that you will want to upgrade your SSD to something larger down the road. I have a 120GB SSD in my wife's computer and just with Windows, Office, a few small applicaitons, and her music and documents the drive is essentially full. That leaves no room for things like games, scratch discs, and other things that are greatly affected by the performance of an SSD. On my own rig I have ~40 games (not all of them large), plus adobe and office software and I am using ~300GB of space on my 480GB system drive. I then shoved all of my music, backups, videos and other bulk files to the HDDs. Especially games like Skyrim which have monumental area loading times it can bring your wait time between areas from ~30 sec down to ~5 sec, and trust me it gets really old late in the game when you are constantly fast traveling from area to area, and are going in and out of buildings for missions. 120GB is fine for now, but once you can afford a 500GB-1TB SSD then jump on it. I think the prices are going to drop dramatically next year, so it may not be as expensive to do as you think.

Wifi kinda sucks. I know that there are times when there is simply no way around it, but if at all possible then move to a wired connection. If you cannot get a wired connection then get a proper wirless card and some external antennas. Those USB wifi adapters are fine if you are just browsing the web in a small apartment, but if you are in a medium to large house, with lots of other devices or wifi networks in the area, then it can become an issue.

Other than that, it should be a good rig! I hope everything works well for you!
 

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So handle everything by the edges except the MOBO there i should be more carefull right? I should handle it where there are no circuits then?
Yeah i understand Rocketninja, please do forget the OC topic........i may do some research on it later, i am not going to OC anything soon anyway
And dont worry u already helped a lot :) thank you
 


The EVO comes with a backplate. Install the backplate BEFORE putting the motherboard in the case. Depending on your working conditions you may be forced to install the cooler before putting the mobo in place as well, but preferably this should be done afterwards.

 

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I think you have the idea now and should do just fine and end up with a great build, it's a lot of fun and you will enjoy putting everything together.

Get you rig running smooth and stable before you mess around with OCing. Take notes of what the temps and performance are when it is stock, that way you have something to compare your OC to.
 

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Soo much information on 1 reply CaedenV :p Thank you
So u are saying setting up the EVO cooler with an orientation Up to down will increase the number of used pipes in the heat sink?
And yes i might upgrade and put more fans on the case and on the CPU cooler itself but that will be later down the road when i OC and if i see the temps are getting high :)
Yeah the only reason why i didnt get a 1tb HDD and a 1tb SSD is because the cost at the moment is a bit hard to justify, but once it drops down to an accceptable price i might upgrade to a 1tb or a 500gb SSD
Yes i know Wifi sucks but my house's ethernet cable is already stretched thin as it is and i already had a bunch of trouble with it so i cant move it any further, anyways my house is decently big but the Router is like 1-2meters from me in the same room (I game in the living room :p ,useless information right here) so i dont know if it gets that bad, i know if i start moving away more i loose reception bars but where i am i get full signal
The reason i am planning on getting a USB wifi adapter instead of a PCI wifi card is because i am planning on going SLI so i want my GPU's to have as much room as they can possibly have.....
I was planning on instaling the RAM then CPU then CPU cooler backplate then cpu cooler itself then move it to the case..
 

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Thanks endeavour :) yes i am having a lot of fun just researching, when i thought about building a pc and started i looked at the GPU benchmarks for BF4 i saw GTX 760, R9 280x HD7770 and i didnt understand shit :p, same goes for CPUs and pretty much everything :p now i do have a better idea and its been a fun and educating journey :) cant wait to assemble it
 

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CaedenV says:
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One last note on your build:
When planning out your cooling, keep a few things in mind. One big thing is that the CPU die under that heat shield is a single long piece. If you orient your CPU cooler to blow front-to-back like normal then the length of the CPU die will line up with the center 2 heat pipes of the EVO cooler, making the outer pipes essentially useless. If you mount the cooler to move air bottom-to-top then the heat pipes will be perpendicular to the CPU die and all of your pipes will be used properly. This can make a decent difference in the cooling capability of your EVO cooler, and in my system I found a 5*c drop at idle, and a 10*c drop on load simply by changing the orientation. This is much more important on newer chips as their heat density is so much higher and it is harder to disperse that to the heat sink.
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Cool info :)
 


If you are in the same room as your wifi router then the USB adapter is probably fine... but then again a 50' Ethernet cable is what... $3 online? Why not go wired if you are that close in the first place? Wireless is only good for devices that move all the time. If your rig is not moving every few weeks then just get the right length of wire to make it work.

As for cooling, it is just as much about noise as it is about cooling. There is no reason for modern high end computers to sound like vacuum cleaners anymore. Even with air cooling you should still be able to keep your rig cool while keeping the noise produced nearly nonexistent, or at least well below the ambient noise in the home. But then again that may just be my age showing. I suppose when I was younger the noise coming from my system never bothered me one bit lol
 

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:p lets just say there are some female residents that are already pissed because of the aesthetics of having a desktop in the living room and dont want to run cables, besides my Router is connected in a maze of wires so even if i went wired i would have to get a lot of cabling work done
True :) i picked this case because of the looks, the room , the dvd bay removal option and the overall silence (reviews i read say its very silent) i will put some more fans in the case But i dont think ill get much noise will I?
At least not as much as my Laptop
 

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They're a good idea but not necessary.

I never used to use them until my latest build, the case just happened to come with them. I've had this build for over 2 years now and I've never had to blow it out once, it's always clean in there, whereas before, without the filters it was dusty all the time.

Oh yeah, my case is in the same room as a wood stove as well, and it STILL doesn't get dirty in there.
 

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I've never shopped for them but I imagine they aren't too hard to find.

Here's a link similar to your question:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1743283/phantom-410-psu-dust-filter.html

apparently silvertek sells magnetic filters that attach on the outside of the case.

That's what I have on my case, magnetic filters that you can remove and vacuum off.