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Known Facts: PC vs Console (NOT A FLAME WAR! Friendly discussion only)

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December 31, 2013 7:56:06 AM

LATEST UPDATE/EDIT (DD/MM/YY) : 12/01/14 15:47 GMT
[IN CONSTRUCTION]
It IS already done, but I want people to check if everything adds up, as there are some things I can't confirm by myself


There's very likely already a thread like this, but due to the fact I couldn't find a category to put this on, I decided to make one :\

So, yeah, I'm bringing "war", but I wanted war in a, how do I say it, undeniable way, so I wanted to provide a list of known facts for both platforms (Note: I will not include the Wii U for I do not know much about it, if anyone has one, please post about it and I might add it in)

As for PS4 vs Xbox One, that's a whole different thing, the "Consoles" here are both Xbox One and PS4.

Comment on anything I may have done wrong here, we're all human, and I want this to be a thread worthy of being read and respected.

The (Master Race :p ) PC

Pros
01-Superior Graphics.
02-More flexible in terms of what you're willing to pay.
03-Easy to modify both in software and hardware by the consumer. (Hardware wise: Oculus Rift, Multi-Monitor, Sound cards, etc. Software wise: Games, Bugs, Glitches, Mods, .cfg/.ini files, resolution, graphical/performance detail, etc). 1*
04-Upgradeable.
05-No online fee on top of the one you pay for your internet.
06-Litecoin/Bitcoin/Dogecoin mining (dat Dogecoin...). (You can always cut some slack of your electricity bill at minimum caused by the computer's power drain) 2*
07-Much larger/diverse/open selection of games.
08-(Online Shops) AMAZING Game sales when they can cost you as little as 30$ for the Legendary Edition of Skyrim, in case you don't already have it ;) .
09-Backwards compatibility possible on almost every single game released on PC previously.
10-You have the option to record any amount of time you want with .dem files and keep them very low in space, you can also record with whatever you like and well, install WHATEVER you like!
11-You "can" play console games using numerous emulators. 3*
12-You have the pin-point precision of the mouse and the dozens of keys on your keyboard. 4*
13-You have multiple OS options (especially on the FREE Linux based OS) and can change from one another with the right tools.
14-You are able to choose how MUCH Detail/Graphics you want so you have free choice over how you want the game to perform/look.
15-Less Expensive games than the counter-parts on consoles in some countries. 11*

Cons
01-They consume a (minimum) x2 the amount of Wattage drain over the Console. 2*
02-You have to pay a bigger sum of money up-front to match the Performance of the Consoles. 5*
03-You run into a lot more crashes/errors/bugs/glitches/drivers incompatibility.
04-Easy to modify both in software and hardware by the consumer. 1*
05-You have to constantly make sure drivers are updated (BIOS, CPU, GPU, etc...) to keep your system up-to-date. 13*
06-Mostly ALL are larger than Consoles (Desktop PCs) and generally make more noise.
07-General Cleaning/Maintenance. 6*
08-Viruses and Hacking is much more easy to happen to you on a PC if you don't pay for the correct anti-virus (Windows).
09-Some games might not run properly or at all on you OS (Linux and Steam OS mainly I guess).
10-You will (very) likely find mouse and keyboard a lot less comfortable than a controller. 4*
11-You might spend above 500$ on your upgrade depending on what and from what you're upgrading from/to (This includes: Motherboard, CPU, GPU and RAM).
12-You have to restart upon many driver updates on a lot of occasions. 7*
13-You have to pay an extra minimum 100$ if you're going with Windows. 8*




The (Peasant :p ) Console

Pros
01-Smaller than most computers (laptops can be smaller, but cost a lot more... So I'll keep with Custom Built Desktop PCs).
02-They're all the same, so everyone is on the same level of graphics and performance and they're a lot easier to program for in terms of compatibility issues and different setups.
03-A lot cheaper up-front and provide a tremendous amount of value. 5* 14*
04-No need to constantly update as System Updates take care of that in Obligatory Packages not so regularly. 13*
05-You can expect for every single AAA game to always come out for that console in the following 5-7 years. (And always run considerably good)
06-Mostly Top-Notch exclusives that do not come out for PC until a certain period or never do.
07-Easy Streaming and/or recording to Twitch. 9*
08-Less Power is drained and they are very quiet. 10*
09-If you pay the online fee, you can get FREE Games monthly Cloud saving, Dedicated Servers, early previews of games and very good Discounts!
10-You have much more friendly UI and fluid multitasking.
11-Controllers are very comfortable over keyboard/mouse. 4*
12-You don't have to worry not even close as much about Hacking, Viruses, Overheating, etc.
13-You can install an OS, I'm sure if not now, soon lol. 3*
14-Oh, and yeah, TV, Voice controller, Quick On-Off, Snap, Apps, etc. All those marketing features.

Cons
01-10 year maximum lifespan until a new console is brought up (although on this generation, I'm willing to say it can be 7-8 years... maybe even less)
02-Games are more expensive in some countries than their PC counterparts (does not apply to Exclusive games). 11*
03-You have to pay a minimum of 50$ a year to play online on most games.
04-Not upgradeable and if tried can ruin your warranty.
05-Much smaller selection of games (NUMBERS, I'm not talking QUALITY)
06-2x2.0 USB Ports maximum 12*
07-They can overheat easily if you put them in very confined spaces. (Sounds stupid to be in here I know, but most people buy these because they're smaller and think they can shove it in a hole)
08-Only 1 way to input/output video (HDMI). (NOT SURE, someone please confirm this please)
09-Graphics can only get worse on the long run.
10-General Cleaning/Dust. 6*
11-No need to constantly update as System Updates take care of that in Obligatory Packages not so regularly. 13*
12-The being more cheap than Computers doesn't really apply in all countries/Regions (Venezuela, Brazil, etc). 14*

That is it! No conclusion, you choose! Please, comment what you think about this list!

Extra information (*)

1* This is a double-edged sword as it can lead to lack of privacy, Hackers, Malware, etc. But it can also leads to faster debugging, more UGC, and more longevity for games.
2* Bitcoin/Litecoin/Dogecoin usually defeats that Con.
3* I know this is illegal, but it's a fact, same goes to pirating of Windows OS', games and programs.
4* The general consensus is that controllers are much more fun to play with, and yes, while you can play with them on the PC, but in some games (FPS Games, Top-Down RTS, etc) the Mouse/Keyboard will make you rage when you're playing head-to-head at them with a controller over a Mouse/Keyboard. IF The Steam Machine Controller does indeed pay-off in precision, It still won't beat the large number of hotkeys/shortcuts the keyboard can have.
5* PC Gaming can sometimes be seen as an Investment, you pay a lot up-front, but it can be cheaper in the long run over buying a new console every generation of them. Also, remember this is RIGHT NOW, the Price of PC Components will drop to a point where it's better to buy a 400$ PC than a 400$ Xbox One (Admit it, you know the Xbox One is going to drop the prices haha)
6* Reason why it's on both Cons? Because I hate doing it :)  but on the Consoles you only have to worry about the cleaning part, not the software "cleaning" or Antivirus Runs.
7* It's true, the consoles also do this when they install a System Update, but on PC, driver updates can come much sooner than System Updates... Also (and if I'm wrong tell me) some games on PC require you to restart upon installing the latest Patch for the game. (needs examples)
8* Pirating, that's all I'm saying. And yes, you can get Linux for free, but as I said previously, you might get worse performance and not all games are yet supported.
9* The keyword is "easy", but the PC does have a larger option in Recording/Streaming Software to fit your needs.
10* This stands from my experience with a console and a PC next to it. Trust me, consoles are VERY quiet, it's like a whisper.
11* Portugal, that's where I live, I can confirm that at least here. But I guess maybe not on EA games... ;) 
12* I said this because PC's can easily have 4 3.0 USB and 4 2.0 USB Ports, in the same tower/system.
13* Even if they are less regular, they are mandatory nonetheless if you want to play online with your friends... Choice is key, and in this case the PC wins because of choice and loses in the case of ease-to-use. So yeah, just wanted to make sure everyone got that.
14* Please switch these out accordingly to where you are buying from, and take note, this is a BIG Con, if you have this Con, well, look at the price at least I when comparing it to the PC.

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a b 4 Gaming
December 31, 2013 8:46:27 AM

Be careful in arguing "facts" vs. "opinions". This could be an interesting thread if emotion is left out of the mix and folks stick to facts.
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December 31, 2013 8:59:42 AM

COLGeek said:
Be careful in arguing "facts" vs. "opinions". This could be an interesting thread if emotion is left out of the mix and folks stick to facts.


I'm not sure what you mean as much in the case of "emotion", but I do understand this.
I've had the PS3 roughly since it came out for 7 years (and yup, you guessed it, YLoD'ed...)
Now I've been saving for 2 years (I'm 17 now, couldn't really get that much work either, but that's my privacy) for a PC and learning about them.

As I meantioned above, I WANT people to tell me if something is wrong, I'm not taking that "[IN CONSTRUCTION]" out until everything is worked out.

EDIT: OH you're talking about the Peasant/Master Race tags? Well, I just want this to be a bit more fun to read, but if it's a bit too 4th wally (I think that doesn't really apply here but oh well), I can take it off no problem. Also, Yahtzee from The Escapist is my reason for that :p 
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a b 4 Gaming
December 31, 2013 9:19:18 AM

The labels are not the issue. When threads like yours get started, they often lead to massive flame wars that digress into pointless arguments, trolling, name calling, and folks getting banned.

What gets left out are fact based discussions (thus the hope to see the emotions left out of the mix) that could actually enlighten users/gamers, regardless of which side of the PC vs. console argument they come down on.

We shall see with this thread.
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December 31, 2013 9:26:00 AM

COLGeek said:
The labels are not the issue. When threads like yours get started, they often lead to massive flame wars that digress into pointless arguments, trolling, name calling, and folks getting banned.

What gets left out are fact based discussions (thus the hope to see the emotions left out of the mix) that could actually enlighten users/gamers, regardless of which side of the PC vs. console argument they come down on.

We shall see with this thread.


There are some things I wrote I'm not sure and that I need confirmation, maybe that can hold back some sparks :\ I want to learn a bit more about each of these platforms. I was thinking about including the Steam Machine as a 3rd Pros and Cons. But that will be only when these ones are fixed.
Another thing, should I change categories? Or is this one right?
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January 3, 2014 2:04:12 PM

COL, (I don't know if this is considered bumping or not)
But so far not a single battle has even started xD
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a c 225 4 Gaming
January 3, 2014 3:21:23 PM

One small thing is that you'll be fine as long as you have a decent free antivirus like avast! (and as long as you don't visit dodgy sites frequently)

Consoles also generally have compulsory firmware updates which require a restart too

The lifespan of consoles is legit, however last/this generation's systems (the 360 and PS3) actually lasted alot longer than the previous (Xbox and Gamecube essentially 5 years or so) given how they used fairly high end components from their respective era

The legendary PS2's last released game was Fifa 13 this year if I recall correctly

Also one of the perks of a PC gamer with a fairly high budget is multi monitor gaming and compatibility with new gizmos like the Occulus

All in all it's great to have both, so you can just sit on the fence and laugh while people flame each other to no end (I certainly don't hope this thread to turn out that way though :p )
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January 3, 2014 5:13:55 PM

rolandzhang3 said:
One small thing is that you'll be fine as long as you have a decent free antivirus like avast! (and as long as you don't visit dodgy sites frequently)

Consoles also generally have compulsory firmware updates which require a restart too

The lifespan of consoles is legit, however last/this generation's systems (the 360 and PS3) actually lasted alot longer than the previous (Xbox and Gamecube essentially 5 years or so) given how they used fairly high end components from their respective era

The legendary PS2's last released game was Fifa 13 this year if I recall correctly

Also one of the perks of a PC gamer with a fairly high budget is multi monitor gaming and compatibility with new gizmos like the Occulus

All in all it's great to have both, so you can just sit on the fence and laugh while people flame each other to no end (I certainly don't hope this thread to turn out that way though :p )


1st point: I never said you wouldn't be fine, but it's still a much bigger risk than on the console side and you do have to pay for them if you want "real" protection. Free doesn't really protect you these days... (funny, I do have avast antivirus :D  haha)

2nd point: While consoles do have an obligatory update, they are far less common than ALL the updates you get on daily basis on a computer with a fair amount of programs, however you reminded me of something, it's an OBLIGATORY update... Going to add right now lol :) 

3rd point: When I say lifespan I mean "trending" (I hate that word, but I think it suits here well enough), of course people might still play PS1 and PS2 this very day, I play PS3 myself! And I can say it's alive and well, but it's not something the friends (virtual mostly I suppose) of that person might still be playing with him. And the reason for me giving a 7-8 year lifespan is just because most people these days seem to be going from consoles to PC instead of PC to consoles, but I do accept that there are people that if not in contact with any other platform prior, they'll probably go to console. And that's why consoles are still alive AND all the Pros mentioned on my list. I'm adding that as well.

4th point: I mention this with the Pro:
"Easy to modify both in software and hardware by the consumer."
But I'll put that in parenthesis

5th point:
Me neither and I hope everyone is like you :) 

Thank you for your lines of thoughts in this thread ;)  & btw, do you own any next-gen system? If yes, could tell me if my 6th Con on consoles is true?

Oh, and I'm adding number so Cons are easier to situate lol

EDIT: Crap forgot about the antivirus point, edited accordingly.
Another EDIT: I thought more clearly, and I'm not adding the 3rd point, because now that I think better, that's a bit more of an "emotional" fact I guess... Maybe I didn't get it & the reason why I underlined "Fifa 13" was well, idk it seems to be a "weak" game in my opinion, I don't take in consideration because a very small amount of people play it on the PS2 when compared to PS3. As for the "high end components from their...." it's because it's exactly because of the faster evolution of components that I think it'll last less, 10 years max I think is enough for any console and 6-7 minimum, but that's more "theory" than fact so I tend to keep away from that if possible, hence the parenthesis. As for the "compulsory" just underlined it because I forgot that :p .
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a c 225 4 Gaming
January 3, 2014 5:44:45 PM

I own an original Xbox, PS3 and a PC, no next gen machine yet (I'll wait a few years for new editions first)

It seems that they do only have a pair of USB ports (at the front for PS4 and rear for Xbone)

Also, cheaper peripherals for PC? compare the Playstation eye etc. to the price of a regular PC webcam for instance

Also, video comparison between next/current gen consoles and entry/high end PC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHogNolObqk

I love the e-peen statement he makes in the video :D 

Regarding updates, Windows Update also has a tendency to bork sometimes (once they made a video driver update "critical" and it nearly screwed me over) which is big con for me, resulting in me disabling it and leaving my machine to fend for itself with avast which admittedly does a pretty good job (it also helps that I don't visit shady sites ahaha)

Games are just an interactive medium for entertainment, it's mind boggling how these gamers like to flame each other over the preferred choice of platform, and not just the arrogant high end PC gamer, but also some hardcore console fans who feed the flame even more

The media blatantly makes gaming a scapegoat for anything bad happening in the world, they should be the ones getting flamed

Many gamers have been playing since the Atari or NES days, and I highly doubt that all of them are murderers now doing time behind bars
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January 4, 2014 7:20:31 AM

rolandzhang3 said:
I own an original Xbox, PS3 and a PC, no next gen machine yet (I'll wait a few years for new editions first)

It seems that they do only have a pair of USB ports (at the front for PS4 and rear for Xbone)

Also, cheaper peripherals for PC? compare the Playstation eye etc. to the price of a regular PC webcam for instance

Also, video comparison between next/current gen consoles and entry/high end PC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHogNolObqk

I love the e-peen statement he makes in the video :D 

Regarding updates, Windows Update also has a tendency to bork sometimes (once they made a video driver update "critical" and it nearly screwed me over) which is big con for me, resulting in me disabling it and leaving my machine to fend for itself with avast which admittedly does a pretty good job (it also helps that I don't visit shady sites ahaha)

Games are just an interactive medium for entertainment, it's mind boggling how these gamers like to flame each other over the preferred choice of platform, and not just the arrogant high end PC gamer, but also some hardcore console fans who feed the flame even more

The media blatantly makes gaming a scapegoat for anything bad happening in the world, they should be the ones getting flamed

Many gamers have been playing since the Atari or NES days, and I highly doubt that all of them are murderers now doing time behind bars


Ok then, I guess my 6th con on the console side is correct, updated.

Well, the funny thing is, I'm using a Playstation Eye camera right now, that just proves my point in how PC can be so modifiable to take components that were meant for consoles (reason why they've changed their connections to proprietary or at least Xbox One has with ther Kinect USB... But I would not be surprised if there was a conversor to normal USB :p  ) oh, and I also use a Playstation 3 controller, I'm not fond of the Xbox's analog stick positioning or at least not used to it.

Thank you for the video too :)  I'll watch it right now

As for the updates, update errors have also happened with some updates on specific consoles too, the one that comes to mind atm was one with the PS3, that I even had to stay offline just to make sure I wouldn't make my PS3 brick... I think it was "something.14" that later got update to ".15" the next days or so. And the Windows borking as never happened to me before or anyone I know... So, I'll just leave it like it is right now... sorry :\

I agree with the whole flame wars concept, but I really like how consoles are competing with PCs right now, not to mention the Steam Machine which in my opinion, it's a really tough contender for being better than PC... Same reason why I'm holding off on buying my PC until it comes out, even if I did have the money right now lol :p 

Don't get me started on media s*** (sorry about the swear, but truth be told) but I do admit that there are some really sick people in the world, that's for sure. Saw a video of ReviewTechUsa talking about how a man kidnapped a woman because he wanted, wait for it....
a PSP.
No comment... you can go search the video if you want, I'm not as brave as you to post links on the forums :|

I've been playing since PS1 and I've been in contact with the Spectrum too :) 
(keep in mind I was born on 1996, so cut me some slack ok? xD)
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a c 225 4 Gaming
January 4, 2014 4:48:10 PM

The steam machines are PCs so a casual user can buy one and also install Windows on it, a big plus for sure if it's priced well

I too have kept my PS3 offline for quite a while, a year or so if I recall correctly :lol: 

You grew up with a ZX spectrum and PS1? that's quite the childhood right there, I never grew up with any consoles except for a cheap ripoff NES on-a-chip
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January 5, 2014 8:58:56 AM

rolandzhang3 said:
The steam machines are PCs so a casual user can buy one and also install Windows on it, a big plus for sure if it's priced well

I too have kept my PS3 offline for quite a while, a year or so if I recall correctly :lol: 

You grew up with a ZX spectrum and PS1? that's quite the childhood right there, I never grew up with any consoles except for a cheap ripoff NES on-a-chip


I didn't play them all the time if that's what you're getting at lol, but I did play on them for sure, even this weird game called Paradise Cafe... google that out ;)  kk (Mod please don't ban for putting this content (title) here xD)
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a c 225 4 Gaming
January 6, 2014 7:07:16 AM

Haha oh dear that is a great childhood

Looks like the Wii U actually had some decent sales as of late

http://www.sidhtech.com/news/xbox-one-vs-nintendo-wii-u...

I really hope the pc ports during this console generation will be decent, given that they're running on an x86 architecture :D 
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January 7, 2014 2:31:31 PM

I'm hoping the 8-core AMD cpu's will finally shine :)  I'm not buying an Fx 8350 processor, but I'm also a somewhat long way from getting my PC, so I might hold a bit to see if maybe I should go with the AMD (I think it has a very very upper hand on rendering and streaming, and I'll be doing that so... :p  but I'm currently on hold, because nonetheless Intel beats AMD in very complex calculations and per-core-performance... we'll see, my advise if for people who are getting their PC on like March/April to hold on on buying the Motherboard and CPU :p  just saying)
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a c 225 4 Gaming
January 7, 2014 2:47:34 PM

It's certainly worth waiting, mantle and the next generation of GPUs are on their way as well

One of my biggest regrets from the past few years was going for a Wolfdale E8500 back when everyone said only two cores were needed, should have gotten an i5-750 haha :lol: 
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January 8, 2014 2:22:34 AM

Played over 15 years on PC then 5 years with Xbox 360 as I loved it... now back to PC Gaming mostly due to steam and to new gen consoles lacking of different things. I do think eventually is a decision made on taste and habit. (The Oculus took a good 30% in my decision to go back to PC Gaming) and systems are far more reliable now and it is fun to play with case and components.

As long as free to play stay away from Console and PC Gaming (well except MMORPG) I am a happy gamer with either console or PC :D 
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January 8, 2014 7:05:16 AM

Trustdesa said:
Played over 15 years on PC then 5 years with Xbox 360 as I loved it... now back to PC Gaming mostly due to steam and to new gen consoles lacking of different things. I do think eventually is a decision made on taste and habit. (The Oculus took a good 30% in my decision to go back to PC Gaming) and systems are far more reliable now and it is fun to play with case and components.

As long as free to play stay away from Console and PC Gaming (well except MMORPG) I am a happy gamer with either console or PC :D 


True, there is no such thing as gamers needing to be on a PC or on a specific platform to be one, as long as you're playing games, you're already a gamer lol & As for F2P, yeah, people really need to look deep to find good ones right now, with all this micro-transactions going about -,-'
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a b 4 Gaming
January 8, 2014 7:45:47 AM

Personally I would say that Bitcoin and Similar are a Con rather than a Pro, or at least my reaserch showed it (as i was interested in it for a while so i decided to run a batery of simulations and tests to see if it was worth it or not).
Obviously this is not a 100% certainty, just an estimation.

Other things not mentioned:

PC PRO: Mods.... Probably the highest pro i can ever think of for a PC. If you love a game, you can learn a bit of code and mod it... and if you are too lazy for that, Im sure with so many gamers someone did it for you already.

Another PC PRO: Games can be modified. This means if there is a bug or issue with the game, and the developers dont fix it, there is a good chance some gamer will.

And well... Kinda the fact that you can use the PC for non-gaming like work, and similar. I know consoles are catching up to this but they still have a long way to go.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 8, 2014 8:50:02 AM

While consoles in general are less expensive than PCs there are exceptions.

In Brazil consoles are extremely expensive. The PS4 sells for R$3,999 ($1,800 USD) and the Xbox One sells for R$2,200 ($1,020 USD).

Below depicts why the PS4 is so expensive. It would seem that MS was able to negotiate lower taxes imposed on the XBOne by the Brazilian government.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/10/22/sony-exp...
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January 8, 2014 8:54:12 AM

cats_Paw said:
Personally I would say that Bitcoin and Similar are a Con rather than a Pro, or at least my reaserch showed it (as i was interested in it for a while so i decided to run a batery of simulations and tests to see if it was worth it or not).
Obviously this is not a 100% certainty, just an estimation.

Other things not mentioned:

PC PRO: Mods.... Probably the highest pro i can ever think of for a PC. If you love a game, you can learn a bit of code and mod it... and if you are too lazy for that, Im sure with so many gamers someone did it for you already.

Another PC PRO: Games can be modified. This means if there is a bug or issue with the game, and the developers dont fix it, there is a good chance some gamer will.

And well... Kinda the fact that you can use the PC for non-gaming like work, and similar. I know consoles are catching up to this but they still have a long way to go.


1st point: I only mentioned the mining part as it is the only one that I know that is truly beneficial, I do not count the selling part or any other part if there is one lol ANYcoin mining is always beneficial to decrease you electricity bill at minimum and maybe even get something out if it depending on where you live (normally people forget that not every country has America's cheap selectivity bills, just saying)

2nd&3rd point: Pro number 3: Easy to modify both in software and hardware by the consumer. (Hardware wise: Oculus Rift, Multi-Monitor, Sound cards, etc.)
However, will add that to the software part inside the parenthesis

4th point: Pro number 10: You have the option to record any amount of time you want with .dem files and keep them very low in space, you can also record with whatever you like and well, install WHATEVER you like & Pro number 7: Much larger/diverse/open selection of games.
However, again, will edit this to make it more clear.

Thank you for your post :) 
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January 8, 2014 9:10:44 AM

jaguarskx said:
While consoles in general are less expensive than PCs there are exceptions.

In Brazil consoles are extremely expensive. The PS4 sells for R$3,999 ($1,800 USD) and the Xbox One sells for R$2,200 ($1,020 USD).

Below depicts why the PS4 is so expensive. It would seem that MS was able to negotiate lower taxes imposed on the XBOne by the Brazilian government.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/10/22/sony-exp...


completly forgot about that... damn, will add that to the Cons then but keep the Pro one up as well as it is specific and I guess I'll make a 14* explaining everything.

Thank you for your post :)  & one more thing, I know that it's quite a deauchbeggary ( :\ sorry about the spelling if I wrote it wrong) but it only seems to affect a smaller portion of the demography, which was the reason why I left it out, but I think that maybe was a bit too "factual" of me :(  I can't be that cold :p 
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January 8, 2014 10:01:02 AM

devilgodspider said:
Trustdesa said:
Played over 15 years on PC then 5 years with Xbox 360 as I loved it... now back to PC Gaming mostly due to steam and to new gen consoles lacking of different things. I do think eventually is a decision made on taste and habit. (The Oculus took a good 30% in my decision to go back to PC Gaming) and systems are far more reliable now and it is fun to play with case and components.

As long as free to play stay away from Console and PC Gaming (well except MMORPG) I am a happy gamer with either console or PC :D 


True, there is no such thing as gamers needing to be on a PC or on a specific platform to be one, as long as you're playing games, you're already a gamer lol & As for F2P, yeah, people really need to look deep to find good ones right now, with all this micro-transactions going about -,-'


Yep I am not too much fussy about PC Vs Console... PC evolves everyday console are fix hardware as long as there are quality games that is it!

I may be a bit mean but I consider people paying for microstransactions (sorry the words) IDIOTS... you pay real money to buy virtual things? No way... sell me the game and let me enjoy and it would be the same even if the overal price would be equal to purchasing the game.
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January 8, 2014 10:09:45 AM

Trustdesa said:
devilgodspider said:
Trustdesa said:
Played over 15 years on PC then 5 years with Xbox 360 as I loved it... now back to PC Gaming mostly due to steam and to new gen consoles lacking of different things. I do think eventually is a decision made on taste and habit. (The Oculus took a good 30% in my decision to go back to PC Gaming) and systems are far more reliable now and it is fun to play with case and components.

As long as free to play stay away from Console and PC Gaming (well except MMORPG) I am a happy gamer with either console or PC :D 


True, there is no such thing as gamers needing to be on a PC or on a specific platform to be one, as long as you're playing games, you're already a gamer lol & As for F2P, yeah, people really need to look deep to find good ones right now, with all this micro-transactions going about -,-'


Yep I am not too much fussy about PC Vs Console... PC evolves everyday console are fix hardware as long as there are quality games that is it!

I may be a bit mean but I consider people paying for microstransactions (sorry the words) IDIOTS... you pay real money to buy virtual things? No way... sell me the game and let me enjoy and it would be the same even if the overal price would be equal to purchasing the game.


I do agree that if a game is split into individual parts (in conjunction with the full game) that it would be better, at least in my opinion, but this would mean of course, that games with only single player and multiplayer, the single player would probably get the short end of the stick.
But if you do it at a later time (Pretty much like Uncharted 3) I think it's better, because it makes the game quite affordable and gives you the option to choose what you only enjoy without cluttering or cleaning you space and pocket.
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January 11, 2014 8:56:23 PM

I don't know the right answer for "hard core gamers"... But the nice thing about a console on the front end of the life cycle is you know you have 5 to 10 years before ANY upgrading. With a PC every few weeks or months you hear about new hardware improvements available that drive mental torment for some who dream about the latest graphics card or spend sleepless nights debating whether to double their RAM. The long term peace of mind about no upgrades with consoles has emotional value to me. I have Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 and from playing Ryse and NBA2K14 I can tell you the graphics certainly are good enough to meet my minimum needs for a long time to come. Finally, setting up with my large flat screen was a snap with a console... I still have not done the homework to figure out how to broadcast my PC on my TV that sits across the room... and the multimedia capability of consoles continues its march towards being more like a PC... and I'm really digging voice commands that control my TV, speakers, satellite receiver and gaming console with 2 or 3 word statements.
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January 11, 2014 8:59:53 PM

Tseg said:
I don't know the right answer for "hard core gamers"... But the nice thing about a console on the front end of the life cycle is you know you have 5 to 10 years before ANY upgrading. With a PC every few weeks or months you hear about new hardware improvements available that drive mental torment for some who dream about the latest graphics card or spend sleepless nights debating whether to double their RAM. The long term peace of mind about no upgrades with consoles has emotional value to me. I have Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 and from playing Ryse and NBA2K14 I can tell you the graphics certainly are good enough to meet my minimum needs for a long time to come. Finally, setting up with my large flat screen was a snap with a console... I still have not done the homework to figure out how to broadcast my PC on my TV that sits across the room... and the multimedia capability of consoles continues its march towards being more like a PC... and I'm really digging voice commands that control my TV, speakers, satellite receiver and gaming console with 2 words.


Those concerns are usually for those who are obsessed enthusiasts, most of us are fine with what we have. Peace of mind really depends on whoever owns the machine, the whole life cycle of a console consists of it being a completely fixed piece of hardware, it's more of an overhaul when you're buying a next generation machine.

Also regarding voice commands :D 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWZLa4AnN5k
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January 12, 2014 6:11:25 AM

Tseg said:
I don't know the right answer for "hard core gamers"... But the nice thing about a console on the front end of the life cycle is you know you have 5 to 10 years before ANY upgrading. With a PC every few weeks or months you hear about new hardware improvements available that drive mental torment for some who dream about the latest graphics card or spend sleepless nights debating whether to double their RAM. The long term peace of mind about no upgrades with consoles has emotional value to me. I have Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 and from playing Ryse and NBA2K14 I can tell you the graphics certainly are good enough to meet my minimum needs for a long time to come. Finally, setting up with my large flat screen was a snap with a console... I still have not done the homework to figure out how to broadcast my PC on my TV that sits across the room... and the multimedia capability of consoles continues its march towards being more like a PC... and I'm really digging voice commands that control my TV, speakers, satellite receiver and gaming console with 2 or 3 word statements.


With a PC you have the choice to upgrade...it is not necessary to upgrade or to get a Geforece Ti to enjoy latest game surpassing the new gen consoles.

Let's say that graphic isn't all in a game, I came back to PC Gaming because of Steam and with one small form factor PC I can do anything, music, productivity, video, gaming, browsing........ I even use the integrated windows voice recognition when I am watching TV through my PC (if I am really lazy lol)

It is always a matter of preference and for some "where my friends play" :) 
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January 12, 2014 7:48:38 AM

I was going to reply, I guess I don't need to lol nuff said by Trustdesa & rolandzhang3 ;) 

Also corrected some wording on the first post, hope I didn't miss any misspelling or wrote get instead of yet
(spoilers,:I did, corrected it lol)
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January 18, 2014 12:12:33 PM

Can't believe this has hit 300 views :D  Thank you everyone
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