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January 1, 2014 1:11:38 AM

Recently my Radeon hd4850 died on my Dell Studio XPS 435mt (i7-920 core CPU). I replaced it with a severely underpowered geforce gt610 just to make sure that was the issue. I'm attempting to upgrade several aspects of my PC.

I have the dell stock 360W max power supply. after 2 days of researching the best card I can find for my situation without replacing the power supply, ive come to the conclusion the Radeon HD 7790 would be a great choice, however..., It would appear 90% of the graphics cards now take up two slots worth of space.

I'm not sure this will work for me as the GPU will then be almost on the floor of the dell chassis (thanks again dell) and I'm worried about air flow and heat dissipation. There's only one fan in the chassis and only one connector location on the motherboard to even attach a fan. I'm also thinking about just getting a Radeon HD 7750 (or radeon HD 6770) instead at this point because that's one slot height. unfortunately the 7750 (or 6770) have much less performance power and they actually cost just as much (in some cases depending on brand and purchase location they cost even more then the 7790)

Dell also managed to mount my two HDD drives on my chassis wall restricting my space even more (Really love you right now Dell...) I really don't want to invest in a new power supply or chassis because at that point i might as well put together something new if I have to buy a new case, power supply, ram (I intend to buy that because some of that died too), and video card

if I do purchase a 2 slot GPU and the heat / air flow isn't a problem (anyone know about this?) I have to unplug all the headers feeding my extra USB / headphone ports on the front panel as well as an entire SD card reader setup that comes off the bottom of the motherboard, since that would appear to interfere... (really...seriously dell?)

anyone have any comments, opinions or suggestions on any of this? i'm not the most computer literate person but ive been researcing this for hours and I feel as though ive reached a brick wall.

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January 1, 2014 1:20:36 AM

can you get a new case? you can pick a good case up for $50 because that seems that it will fix all your problems.
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January 1, 2014 1:36:13 AM

If I get a new case I'll still have the issue with the wires running from the board that I'll have to remove, thus losing my front panel goodies

Any suggestions on a case? I can only use one fan and nothing else, unless someone makes some kind of splitter? I'm also not sure if the cables they gave me for the SATA drives are long enough to be moved into any other position / in a bigger case. (like I said Dell mounted them on the wall)

If I can just put a two slot card in there without worrying about the floor being an issue id rather just do that.



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January 1, 2014 1:41:45 AM

IamTheLaw86 said:
If I get a new case I'll still have the issue with the wires running from the board that I'll have to remove, thus losing my front panel goodies

Any suggestions on a case? I can only use one fan and nothing else, unless someone makes some kind of splitter? I'm also not sure if the cables they gave me for the SATA drives are long enough to be moved into any other position / in a bigger case. (like I said Dell mounted them on the wall)

If I can just put a two slot card in there without worrying about the floor being an issue id rather just do that.





can you link me to your case please? ill have a look and see if you can fit it in
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January 1, 2014 2:00:06 AM

I have images of said computer but I don't seem to have anyway of uploading it
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January 1, 2014 2:42:43 AM

Looks like this? http://boilr.net/2009/02/13/review-dell-studio-xps-435m...
If so, I can see your problem, a dual slot cooler is going to be very tight.
With further upgrades planned it may just be easier to get a inexpensive case and swap everything into it rather than trying to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.
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January 1, 2014 9:56:40 AM

yep its identical to that!

The other thing I wanted to research more about is what item would be the bottleneck? Is there even a point in getting a radeon 7790 over a 7750 with my current CPU? any links to solid information on this would be much appreciated as I've been looking at computer pages for 20+ hours now and my brain is starting to turn to mush.

other than the video card upgrade I'm really just looking to swap out the ram to achieve 12GB (since I'm running on 4GB right now even though I'm supposed to have 8GB) it would appear there's really nothing I can do about adding more hard drive space, due to the lack of connections available. thanks for the thoughts everyone, I suppose for now I'm going to purchase the smallest Radeon HD 7790 I can find and see if I can get it in there without any issues.
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January 1, 2014 10:57:12 AM

From the rusty, clanking shreds of memory I recall the i7 used triple channel memory, so the installed amount should be in multiples of 3 (3Gb, 6Gb, 12Gb). I don't think it'll hurt by running other configurations but they system will loose a little performance.
That i7 is still a VERY capable gaming CPU, I'm running it's little brother (i5 750) and it seems to be a prefect match for my HD7950, I get almost identical benchmark numbers to review sites and they use more powerful, often overclocked hardware, so yes, the HD7790 will bottleneck the i7 your system has-a lot.
I can't accurately scale from those pics, the resolution is too low to get accurate measurements but most dual slot coolers are 1.5" thick, if there's 2" or more between the top of the PCB of the current card and the case floor, a dual slot cooler will fit and there should be enough clearance to miss your cables.
BTW, if the system has a SATA optical drive installed, you can swap that for a SATA HDD to increase storage-either transfer the files onto it then ditch the smaller, redundant drive or install it properly with spacers and ignore the DVD drive. Or you could use the E-SATA connection to run an external drive, just a few thoughts.
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January 18, 2014 10:49:40 AM

UPDATE
In the end I decided going with the XFX Radeon HD 7750 1GB. For the most part I don't play very high end games (such as crysis 3 or anything). Since this GPU is a single slot I didn't have to worry about interference with the cables attached to the bottom of the motherboard. the profile just slips past the hard drives with enough space. Since this has low power consumption I didn't have to change out my power supply. I was originally concerned about the temperature because of dells terrible thermal design with 1 fan on this case, but its been 2 weeks or so and I haven't run into any issues yet. It was about $50 cheaper then the other card I was looking at (which may not have fit physically) I know its not the best video card on the market but its good enough for what I want and it beats my old Radeon HD 4850 that died. thanks again for all your opinions!
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