Wireless Repeater vs. Wireless Bridge vs... Whatever I Have Activated?

Aeternum

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Hello,

I'm a networking novice, so please bear with me!

I have a Netgear WNDR3300 connected to my Thomson TG789vn modem. As I had a few dead Wifi zones in my house, and an MSI RG300EX Lite lying around, I was thinking of using it as a wireless repeater for a cheap fix.

For some reason, I couldn't get this to work by activating the Netgear's (main) "Wireless Base Station" feature. I also read that WPA+TKIP is way more secure than WEP, and that Wireless Base Station (or repeater mode in general) does not allow for WPA+TKIP, which is why I disabled "Wireless Base Station", and started configuring my MSI (secondary) instead.

What I did on my MSI (secondary) was the following:
1) I added my "AP's BSSID" under "WDS Setup".
2) I added the same AP under "Wireless Multibridge".
3) I gave the MSI a new SSID, but using the same modes (G+N), channel (11) and encryption (TKIP with same password).

Now I'm somehow able to connect wirelessly to my MSI with a different SSID - which, in turn, is wirelessly connected to my Netgear.

I have two questions:
1) What have I done, and how is this possible?
I was under the impression that a repeater had to use the same SSID, and didn't allow for anything other than WEP/no encryption, while a bridge client allowed for a different SSID, TKIP encryption, but only wired connections to the bridge client itself?

2) I am able to connect to my Netgear (main) and get access to the internet. However, only one computer is connected to my MSI (secondary) with a somewhat stable (I have experienced a few dropouts) internet connection. Other devices can connect to my MSI, but I either get errors about the same IP being used (DHCP settings?), or they connect, but only sometimes have internet access. What settings should I look for in order to fix this?

If anyone needs any screenshots, just let me know. Being networking incompetent, I wouldn't know what to screenshot at this point. ;)

Sorry for my long post, and thanks a lot in advance!

-Roy
 

RealBeast

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What you need to do is to start over from the beginning. Get your Netgear router working normally again. Then you want to attach the MSI router configured as an access point (DHCP off, static address, LAN to LAN cable connection to the Netgear). Configure the MSI radio to use a different non-overlapping channel (selecting from 1, 6, and 11). It is your choice if you want a different SSID so you know where you are connected and if you want the same security type and password. You can use the same on all three or different -- your choice.

You do not want a bridge or extender. If you cannot run an Ethernet cable to the MSI unit, then use a pair of 600Mbps powerline adapters (they actually only run around 100Mbps in the real world) in place of the cable.
 

Aeternum

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Thanks, RealBeast!

I'm not able to connect the MSI to the Netgear via LAN, and I would prefer not to spend money on a pair of powerline adapters - this is only temporary, until I receive my ASUS RT-AC68U (it's on back order, and won't be shipped for a couple of weeks), which I hope will be powerful enough to solve my problem.

I will try the approach you suggested.

Also, do you know how I'm able to connect to the internet via my MSI at the moment? Am I using it as a bridge? Repeater? Something else?

Thanks again!
 

RealBeast

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Hopefully you also got a ASUS PCE-AC68 or a second AC68U to use in media bridge mode. While the AC68U is probably the best router out there, it will only really shine when used in AC mode, which requires adapters to benefit from it. And depending on your local wireless use, AC with 80MHz wide channels can be challenging.

While the AC68U has a good 2.4GHz N and G radio it is not any more powerful than any other good routers like the ASUS RT-N56U. Router signal power output is limited by the FCC. If you simply cannot run a cable, a pair of Zyxel PLA5205kit adapters (2 come in a kit) to set up a remote RT-N56U as an access point will give you excellent results.

If your problem is that your wireless does not reach all areas of the house, adding 1 or 2 APs is the answer.

Since you are on back order, you have time to reconsider. I'll ask one of of our very knowledgeable wireless posters (bill001g) to give you his opinions on this.
 

Aeternum

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Thanks again! Yes, I ordered two PCE-AC68s - one for each of my desktop PCs.

If it still turns out that I will need extra APs (can I use my current WNDR3300/RG300EX Lite, or are there other requirements, such as AC-support?), I will do what you have suggested, and buy a pair of powerline adapters (and, if necessary, an RTN56U).
 

RealBeast

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Yes, you can add access points that are G/N and 2.4GHz and/or 5GHz despite the router being AC. Those APs would support the level of device that the AP radio could broadcast.