Help me find a Productive Laptop

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consultant2b

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Hi,

I am looking to buy a new laptop that would would work without freezing. My usage mainly includes: working with lots of excel & word files simultaneously (10-15 at a time) and I normally have 10+ chrome tabs open at any given time. I am also a huge fan of chrome apps and have quite of these installed (most of them for my work). I am however, not at all into games and that's not a priority for me at all.

My current laptop which I have had for 2 yrs now turned out to be a bit of a disappointment, as it constantly freezes with the above workload. It is an Acer Aspire S3 with Intel® Core™ i5-2467M Processor with 4GB RAM (066/1333). Before this I had a Compaq Presario CQ71 with Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4200 @ 2.00GHz, which was the best machine I have bought till date. It never-ever froze and could easily handle my workload. It amazes, me how despite being so much older and lower specs, it trumps the acer.

I wonder if this could be because, the Acer is an ultrabook, while the compaq was a bulky laptop? This is a key question, as I want to stick to ultrabooks due to their light weight, but I wonder, if that compromises speeds, or in the last 2 years since my last purchase, the technology with ultrabooks has improved significantly?

I would appreciate suggestions on what aspects of the specs I should focus most on and any good suggestions that meet the following criteria:
* 8 GB Ram (Preferably 16GB)
* Processor: Would I benefit from i7 or would i5 suffice? I believe for my work this is the most crucial component? Should I go for quad-core? Any suggestions on specific models?


Budget: I haven't thought too much about this but I am considering going up to $1200 if it would give me the performance boost that I badly need as my productivity is currently being hampered very badly.

Screen Size: 13-14inch (Lightweight-Portable) - I am very keen on an convertable ultrabook, i.e. the ones that can be rolled around to look like a tablet, although I wonder if this would effect performance as the last time I checked, there were hardly any options with this in the market?

Please bear in mind, I am in China currently and despite the fact that China makes a lot of the latest models, the local market can be a bit behind in terms of the latest models. I remember 2 years ago, when I bought my current laptop, there was pretty much nothing available with 8GB ram.

I would really appreciate any suggestions.
 
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The issue that you are having with the Acer Aspire S3 is simply due to the lack of RAM. It only has 4GB of RAM and it cannot be upgraded. Based on what you are doing you actually need more than what is available. Because there is not enough RAM the ultrabook continually swaps data between RAM and the Pagefile. It is the back and forth read / write process which is causing lag in your ultrabook. The Core i5-2467m is actually more than capable of handling what you do because most of the time the laptop would more or less be idling if it had enough RAM.

1TB SSD are generally expensive, they generally cost $600 - $800. Here's one selling for $2,500 (OCZ 1TB SDD - OCT1-25SAT3-1T). I'm pretty sure that is due to the scarcity of that SSD. I...
There should not be anything wrong with the laptop with those specs, the issue is probably with the software on it. Install a clean version of Windows on the laptop, don't install any of the OEM software aside from the drivers. Make sure you only have one anti-virus software installed. See if it runs better.
 

consultant2b

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Thanks for the replies guys.

I have done some more research and I would appreciate your views on a couple of questions:

* It seems that it is impossible to find a laptop that has a 1TB SSD. Is it because there arent enough laptions with 1TB SSD's? Also, I wonder what would be on avg. the cost difference between a 1TB SSD & 1TB HDD? I am trying to figure out if this would influence costing more, or if going from an i5 to i7 would have a greater impact on the overall cost.

* From a speed perspective, once again I would like to know if you have to choose from one of the 2 which combination would you choose and why?

* i7 4th gen processor with HDD
* i5 4th gen processor with SSD

I am trying to find out in terms of speed and cost whats more important. How much of a speed difference can I really get my going for a SSD as it seems that the SSD is really limiting my options.

Thanks
 
The issue that you are having with the Acer Aspire S3 is simply due to the lack of RAM. It only has 4GB of RAM and it cannot be upgraded. Based on what you are doing you actually need more than what is available. Because there is not enough RAM the ultrabook continually swaps data between RAM and the Pagefile. It is the back and forth read / write process which is causing lag in your ultrabook. The Core i5-2467m is actually more than capable of handling what you do because most of the time the laptop would more or less be idling if it had enough RAM.

1TB SSD are generally expensive, they generally cost $600 - $800. Here's one selling for $2,500 (OCZ 1TB SDD - OCT1-25SAT3-1T). I'm pretty sure that is due to the scarcity of that SSD. I have seen refurbished versions sell for $700. 1TB HHD are very inexpensive by comparison, ranging between about $100 - $250 depending on the model. However, prices could be different in China based on availability.

http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-2-5-Inch-Performance-OCT1-25SAT3-1T/dp/B006L7JM64

A SSD does not improve performance it only improves the responsiveness of the laptop when opening and closing files / booting and shutting down the laptop. A laptop with a SSD can generally boot up within 10 - 20 seconds vs 45 - 60 seconds for a HDD.
 
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All mobile Core i5 CPU are dual core CPU + Hyper Threading.

Mobile Core i7 CPUs are either dual core or quad core CPUs with Hyper Threading. In the Haswell generation CPUs only core i7s with the "MQ", "HQ" and "MX" designation are quad cores. Everything else are dual cores.

The primarily difference between Core i5 and Core i7 is basically higher clockspeed and an additonal 1MB of cache. Not to mention the potential number of cores as well.
 

consultant2b

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Thanks mate. Thats a very useful reply and I think you have hit the nail on the head. My memory usage is always around 70% - 85% mark, while my CPU bares cross the 30% mark ever. So I guess that's a good sign that it is indeed a RAM Issue.

Your explanation of the processors is also very useful. Do you fee with my workload quad core would significantly improve speed? Also in this scenario, would a 3rd Gen i7 be better or a 4th gen i5? Finally some of the i7's I have looked at seem to have a pretty less clock speed (1.8ghz), what do you think should be my min. clock speed to achieve a decent performance?

Finally, all specs being equal, do you feel a laptop is likely to be more efficient than an ultrabook?

Thanks
 
For what you do a Core i7 is not really necessary whether it's a dual core or quad core CPU. Unless you are doing financial modeling with Excel like Monte Carlo simulations or Morris Method, you do not really need a quad core CPU. Most people use Excel to manipulate some data for reporting purposes so a dual core CPU will be fine. The fact that you may have 10 -15 Excel and Word file open at the same time does not really have an affect on the CPU, that just means you are using more RAM.

For what you are doing, you will likely not see a performance difference between 3rd gen quad core i7 CPU and a 4th gen dual core i5 CPU. In general a quad core CPU can make a laptop / desktop feel a little more responsive if it is actively doing many different things at the same time. For example, if you are doing a virus scan, compressing / decompressing some file and watching a video you may notice some stutter / unresponsiveness with a dual core CPU versus a quad core CPU.

If you are looking at ultrabooks like the ThinkPad T440s, they all must use a ULV (ultra low voltage) CPU in order to qualify as an ultrabook because the CPU needs to be 17w TDP or less. Theses ULV CPUs usually have low clockspeeds and are all dual core CPUs. These are "U" model CPUs. While a light laptop is great, I personally prefer to stay away from them since I would prefer better performance in a laptop with a reasonable weight.

My next laptop will very likely be a quad core CPU since I do tend to do very CPU demanding tasks like video encoding from time to time. Depending on how the video is being encoded it can use up to 4 cores. And I also multitask a lot too so while I am encoding, I may also be surfing the internet doing research and also have Excel open. Or maybe play a game while a video is being encoded in the background.

I recommend that you consider laptops with 1600x900 or 1920x1080 resolution screens. The ability to actually multi-task is dependent on the amount of information you can see on the screen at one time. Higher resolution screen means you can have two Word documents or two Excel spreadsheets opened side by side. The more information you can see at a time means less time scrolling back and forth in large spreadsheets. I find the 1366x768 resolution screen on my Lenovo IdeaPad Y470 to be extremely limiting.

I was considering a ThinkPad T540p, but after reading / watching some reviews regarding the mediocre quality of the 1080p screen, the mediocrity of the chiclet keyboard (but better than a typical chiclet keyboard on other laptops) and the major complaints about the new mousepad, I am putting that on hold for now.

I much prefer the traditional style keyboard ThinkPads used to have. I find that my typing accuracy has decreased a lot when using chiclet style keyboards like on my Y470 laptop and I have been using it for over 2 years now.
 

consultant2b

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Hi,

In terms of my workload, excel and word is a part of it, but I do quite a bit of multi-tasking and have quite a few software running in the background at any given time. Also, Chrome seems to demand a lot of resources (Ram or CPU?). However, based on my assesment, my understanding is that in my current ACER, the bottleneck is certainly the RAM and you make a great point about clock rate, which is also low on the acer.

I am very keen on the machine below:

http://www.sony.com.hk/products/apps/product/simplePage.do?modelCode=54643242&lang=en

It has great specs, but it does have a low clock rate. How important a factor do you think clock rate is here? My understanding is that you would opt for a laptop over a notebook, precisely because of this issue, right?
 
Turbo Boost increases the clockspeed based on usage. While the base clockspeed is only 1.8GHz (should be fine for most basic tasks), Turbo Boost can bump up the speed to 3.0GHz (one core being used) when necessary so it is not like you are stuck at 1.8GHz forever.

I think it should be fine for your needs. If you think Chrome is using to many resources, then you may want to explore other web browse. I have read that Opera is a lightweight browser, but I have never used. Perhaps it is worth looking into.

Laptops and notebooks are two words for that exact same thing. Netbooks are different from laptops since they are generally small, light, not very powerful and inexpensive. Ultrabooks are different because they are generally small (but up to 14"), light, powerful (but not as much as a laptop) and expensive.

The included nvidia GT 735m is a fairly decent graphics chip for games, but since you don't play games, then the only benefit would be you will not be relying on the integrated Intel HD 4400 graphics core which uses system RAM. The GT 735m has it's own dedicated RAM so that means more of the 8GB of RAM can be used for applications.
 
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