Intel i5 2500K Dying?

Alistair H

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Hi there, I have had a i5 2500k system for over a year.
When I first built the system I was able to overclock to 4.8ghz on stock voltage with no changes AT ALL.
This set up has been perfectly stable for around 14 months.
Recently I started to get BSOD's in regards to the over-clock.
After playing around with what it can manage It can't even sustain 4GHZ now on stock voltage now. I am currently set at 4ghz stable at a V-Core of 1.350. Under load it shoots to 1.390. Is it just a case of the processor becoming less capable of over-clocking over time. It's had a fairly hard 14 months gaming.

Any suggestions or discussion would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 

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LLC is causing it to go to 1.39. (VDROOP).
Degradation on sandy bridge can happen if run at over 1.4v+ over a long period I have read. What voltage was your "stock" voltage running at at 4.8 ghz?
 
well 4.8 with stock voltage is imposible my friend you sure!!???i doubt that!
anyway...i see voltage flactuation..better have fixed voltage.also what about your temps man?we are talking about warer cooling arent we.?things ge tealy nasty at that voltages!also is your psu up to the task?
 
With no changes means you were on auto, not stock. That would have overvolted you and caused this issue. It is impossible to be at 4.8ghz at 1.21v. Not even binned cpus are that good. Don't forget your other components affect ocing as well and they all get worse with age.
 
the best possible binned 2500k can hit 4.8ghz at about 1.33-1.34v on the core under 100% load… less than 1% of them. makes me wonder what setting you were using. if one is to only change the multiplier and never touch the voltages, the cvid and motherboard automatically adjust the vcore for you.

on my gigabyte z68 the cvid will automatically adjust to 1.35 bios set voltage if i just plug in 48x, and i can boot into windows, but fail very quickly.

yes, over time after electromigration, any given chip will need more voltage to sustain clocks. this is accelerated with overclocking.
 

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Temps are all good man, I have a frio, never tops 50C on full load. Promise you it was at 4.8, well during games of course. I have a GX 650 PSU.
 

Alistair H

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Yes forgot to mention that, I literally just ramped up to 4.8 and left the voltages alone. So as you said it will have been on auto. It's been fine for 14 months like I said until now.

 

Alistair H

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Could you expand on LLC and V Droop please. I would like to learn more about this. The untouched voltage only ever racked up to 1.3 something. Never 1.39.
 
the bios has a vcore voltage like 1.35v set. what the processor is actually seeing is very different and flucuating but generally close to the bios set voltage. when the cpu goes from idle to full load, the wattage/amerage goes up causing a very quick(were talking 1/1000th of a second) drop in voltage. you notice this in your house when the lights dim when an air conditioning turns on as it takes a lot of current for a half second to start the compressor.

when you cpu goes from full load to idle quickly.. it still has incoming current but no load so the voltage will spike. vdroop is built in to protect the chip from seeing a very high voltage during this quick load change, lets say higher than 1.5-1.75v in the 2500k.

vdrop is different, it is the drop in voltage you see when there is a load compared to the voltage at idle... lets say 1.34v under full stress load vs 1.37v at idle.... compared to say a 1.35v bios setting. its hard for the chip to sustain a high clock without enough voltage to carry the current, so manually setting the voltage higher or using llc, voltage offset, etc. is required to hold the voltage to sustain the clock.

what line load calibration(llc) does is try to eleminate this vdrop so that you have a more consistent voltage, or more precisely, less of a difference between the min/max voltage between idle and load. but this is at the cost of 'vdroop' which is just a law of electronics. very good motherboards with really high quality and accurate power phases etc. are better and controlling the vdroop and also the vdrop. in most entry to mid range motherboards designed for modest overclocks, lets so no more than 5.0ghz on a 2500k, llc will reintroduce vdroop and the chip can see undetected 1/1000th second voltage spikes that only a very high quality Oscope will be able to log and see when manually tapped into the motherboard.

all in all, its not a really big deal unless your hitting your chip with high voltages... for sandy bridge, ivy bridge, and haswell, lets just say anything above 1.40v@full load, and especially if you dont have superior cooling. for me and many others... 1.35 to 1.40 is a desirable 24/7/365 setting for sandy bridge in the long term(7 years plus). me personally my 2500k is bios set to 1.38v with a certain level of llc set in and the actual voltage is 1.364 under full load and 1.406v at idle to sustain 4.8ghz, i will hit 80c with this voltage sustained in intel burn test or prime95 only though... but if i wanted to push my voltage a little higher i would need better cooling, if i want my chip to last of course. but unless i have superior cooling, i wouldn't want my idle voltage to be much higher than about 1.41v anyways so im ok with it. its been like this since april 2011.
 

Alistair H

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Wow thank you for that, Very detailed :)
 

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Really temps are only important if you are exceeding them, otherwise they are a nonfactor if within safe limits. I had an old e6750 that was always well within safe temperatures, and over a period of about 5 years I would have to downclock (from a pretty big OC at first) ever so often until eventually it would only run at stock speeds without crashing. Vcore was always static (I don't mess with LLC personally) and within safe limits as well.

Anyway, every card will deteriorate over time, even if left at stock settings. That's just how electronics work. Anyone can say no degradation will occur as long as X variables are met, but in reality degradation is always present, the real question is how much. Unfortunately your LLC settings put your CPU in a very rapidly-degrading environment without you realizing it until it was too late.
 

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Same with my e8500 started at 4.9 then 4.8 till I backed off at 4.5 and still runs at that speed today. I did go outside of spec though on the vcore so there is truth to that for sure. I see it as it could die at stock for no reason or last years with a 1ghz plus over clock its always a crap shoot. I stay within the limits and back off once I see greatly diminishing returns for 24/7 workhorse clocks.