A hint on new king : GeForce GTX 790 and its performance calculated

Daeguen Lee

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AMD and NVIDIA compete a balanced fight since Q4 2013 with their newest flagship silicons namely Hawaii and GK110. And this kind of frame might last a couple of quarters since transition to 20nm fabrication process, which is possibly a key to next generation flagship GPU such as Maxwell, is being delayed by TSMC. So it is more likely that each company's dual GPU SKU will be the closest 'balance breaker' of their competition rather than next generation SKUs. Yesterday, NVIDIA engage their first hook for that 'balance breaker' : GeForce GTX 790, a dual-GK110 SKU replacing NVIDIA's current king, GTX 690.

According to VideoCardz, GTX 790 includes:
- 2 x 2496 CUDA Cores (13 SMX per each GK110 GPU, 1 shorter than TITAN / 1 more than GTX 780)
- 2 x 320bit GDDR5 memory interface (highly implies that each GPU only has 40 ROP, not 48)
- 10GB of memory
(Source : http://videocardz.com/48610/nvidia-maxwell-details-revealed-ces-2014)

In this posting I'll calculate its speculative performance via 'VGA calculator' I designed. The calculator is actually a simple multivariable fractional equation whose variables are SP/TMU/ROP count and GPU/VRAM frequency. Each term represents the 'simulated' GPU's shader/texture mapping/rendering performance via harmonically (which means each term employs '1/n' form) thus we can easily see not only specification-wise bluff but also a true fact on each GPU's real performance. For example, Radeon HD 5830 has more SP/TMU and same amount of ROP than 4890 while their clock rates are 800 and 850MHz respectively, so it is quite natural that 5830 seems faster than 4890. But it's not. This is because of 5830's (a bit) slower ROP partition than 4890 which affects gaming performance despite entire dominance on SP/TMU. By this calculator, however, I successfully speculated that 5830 won't overwhelm 4890. Indeed, across more than 3 year, it still works for recent GPUs such as Volcanic Islands/Kepler family so that I speculated that Hawaii will faster than GTX TITAN/780 but not compete with a full-blown GK110, which now released as GTX 780 Ti, prior to Hawaii's release. (See that : http://udteam.tistory.com/535)


Well, let this lecture get finished. The results are as below:
(Assume that GPU/VRAM clock rate remains unchanged. GPU clock reflects the max boost frequency)

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▲ It's obvious that the new card bests any of other predecessors including GTX 690, a dual-GK104 SKU. Roughly the margin between GTX 690 seems to be about 25%, and almost a half more than GTX 780 Ti. Speaking of SLI scale, however, it's also a bit disappointing when we compare this to actual SLI configurations. Let's see 2 x GTX 780 Ti config.

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▲ See what I mean? GTX 790 actually doesn't exhaust a full potential of two monstrous GPU. Let's figure this out component by component. First, let's compare a half of GTX 790 to other single-GK110 SKUs.

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▲ It seems like a half of GTX 790 doesn't even compete GTX 780 though it has 1 more SMX. The only difference is ROP count and memory interface wihch bonds together(8 ROP and 64bit interface are blocked together in GK110) so it is rational that the performance gap is originated from that. Let's try to prove this.

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▲ The result above is given from a half of GTX 790 plus 1 more ROP-IMC cluster(means +8 ROP and +64bit GDDR5 memory controller). Another ROP-IMC cluster features almost 12% increase in performance so that it can overcome GTX 780 and goes very close to GTX TITAN.

Let's see the contrary : A full-blown SP/TMU (same amount as GTX 780 Ti) and a flawed ROP-IMC.

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▲ It becomes obvious that ROP-IMC part affects more on performance than SP/TMU.

So, my conclusion is as follow:
- GTX 790 will gain the crown but not faster than SLI config. of today's highest end single-GPU SKU.
- GTX 790 will actually be slower than 2 x GTX 780, not 780 Ti nor TITAN because of its lack on ROP.

Well, the post is over. Thanks for reading. Have a nice day :)
 
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I'm excited for that as well. I want to see it and the 790 next to each other.
 

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Current king the 690?!? I thought the Titan was the long standing king of the hill? Looking forward to seeing what these 2 new cards can do and how bad they dominate any piece of crap AMD throws out there. Im definately going to be getting a 780Ti but now this is starting to REALLY get ridiculous as in performance over what games will actually be able to make these things REALLY hum. Anyways still good stuff glad to see them making newer and better performing stuff. OK I went back and took a look at your numbers I see you're talking just straight up gaming numbers nothing else.
 


NVIDIA never said that. They said when the titan launched that it was the fastest single GPU card on the planet but did not say that it was faster than the 690.
 

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Im sorry I didnt mean to imply Nvidia did, Ive just seen a lot of articles claiming that of the Titan. The 690 is a lot better of a card than I remember. I never really looked at the 600 series very much. But now I have since this post. Can I basically take from this article Nvidia is awesome and AMD sucks? I can't wait till I get my hands on a 780Ti.
Thanks for the info I learned a lot from your results.
 
You're welcome.
I can't really comment on that -- all I have heard is rumors as well.
I have used only one NVIDIA card till now myself.
However what I have heard is that NVIDIA have better drivers than AMD.
Also I may be wrong, but NVIDIA don't have any PCI-E 2.1 cards. So people with PCI-E 1.1x16 can still upgrade to current generation cards with a slight degradation in performance, but the card will atleast be compatible.
 

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Keep in kind that the 690 is a dual GPU card ( it's basically two gpu's in one) Hence it comes with some issues that dual-gpu configurations have, so comparing it to the Titan or the 780ti(which are single cards) is unfair.

And no AMD doesn't suck, both companies have their merits.
 

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I see 690 is like an AMD 7790, I know its hard to tell but I was just kidding about the AMD comment, SLI and stuff yeah it seems Nvidia has a lock down on that microstuttering. Im not sure if AMD has it completely figured out yet, hopefully so considering that was really hitting the market about a year ago. While I was checking out the 600 series I always find myself having this fascination with AMD product's you wrote a great article on the new cards for Nvidia and what kind of performance level they give via a smaller decrease in performance of 2 cards in SLI vs. one of the big guns and vise versa. You also seem to be very unbias between both company's so I was wondering.....

When Nvidia pulls out new cards they really put out some impressive boost's in performance, but I was checking out the 7970 vs. the 280x there seemed to be such a small margin of performance that it seems kinda stupid to pull out another 60-80 bucks for the 280x.
I am an Nvidia fan I will stick with them for probably the rest of my life. But I cannot help but root for AMD and check out their products a lot. Im planning on building an AMD rig to really check out what they really give you for the $ I was actually thinking about getting a 7970 for it or (7990 if budget allows).
So my basic question is other than the cross my fingers hope that AMD will improve performance of the 280x through new drivers is there really any reason to go for a 280x over the 7970?
It seems smarter to go with an older card that performs within the same level as a newer one especially since it seems it takes AMD too REALLY start improving the drivers for their cards about 6-8 months in. So its kind of like in my hopefully not screwed up opinion that by the time they start to give the support needed to peak out the 280x and continue to support the 7970 by the time the 280x peaks it would be a fair amount of time down the road which means guys like me would probably be purchasing something newer from Nvidia that seems to fully improve their older models.
 

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Then that explains it so the support for it is going to dwindle as well. keeping their margin of profit up as well.
 

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So Architecture wouldn't play into the driver equation? Or is it the same just smaller dyes?
Or it is different architecture; hence the theoretical piece.

Sorry if this is off topic I just like the fact that in this thread there are guys who definately know their GPU's and I like to broaden my knowledge as much as I can. I'm sold on a 1 GPU 780Ti the Asus Direct CU model. Even when I want to upgrade I can just SLI another and still get upper teir performance even though the 790 is tasty, but then again price point wise its still a better buy getting 2 780Ti's over 1 790.
I am gonna look up to see if I can find some stuff on the Titan Black, to see where it would fall into this high end performance graph.

Again this is a great article for really getting to the point of what kind of performance you get for these cards.
 
So Architecture wouldn't play into the driver equation? Or is it the same just smaller dyes?
Or it is different architecture; hence the theoretical piece.
Architecture plays a big role in drivers. But the 280x is just a modified 7970 with the same core arch (GCN, Tahiti).
The only limiting factor at that point is the driver developer actually enabling optimizations for both cards really.

 

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Ok so the developer COULD make a general driver which would benefit both, but the developer could make a driver based on the modifications only for the 280x if Im getting that right. Id think it would be more beneficial to make drivers for both at least for the near future unless like their newer cards performance jumps are too slim for the buying public.
Smeeze I think you helped me a while ago choose between 2x 650Ti Boost's or a single GPU costing about the same amount as the 2 boost's. I ended up getting a 770.
 

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Right now, AMD prices are much higher than they should be. They used to have a great price/performance ratio, but the Bitcoin/Litecoin mining craze hiked their prices quite a bit.
 


Although that may change as a forum member noted the other day that a new miner client is now available that not only uses CUDA but is better at mining than the ones used on AMD cards.