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Hi everyone,
I need help with choosing parts for my friend's new pc.
The title sums it up, and what's important is that he does no gaming at all, so it might make a difference with your advice.

I haven't found much info on the GPU's role in rendering, benefits of CUDA cores and 3d viewport power etc, since most people are asking about gaming/modelling GPUs and are looking for the best of both worlds.

I was thinking about something like this:
- GA-B85M-D3H
- i5-4570 vs i7-4770
- EVO 212
- Seagate Barracuda 1TB
- Crucial Ballistix Tactical 2x4 GB CL8
- EVGA GTX 650 2GB
- Be Quiet 600W L8 Pure Power 80+ Bronze
- some nice mATX case

Questions are:
Is it better to get I7 / why?
Does he need 16 GB of RAM
What GPU (Monitor 1920x1200, IPS)?
Should he squeeze in an SSD?

Any suggestions and explanations are appriciated!

 
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k1114
An e3-1230v3 is $50 cheaper than the i7 so is a much better deal for non ocers. Nvidia is supposed to release new gpus in march so depending on when he needs this you could look into that. Of the programs stated, only max has a gpu renderer so for anything else it's just for viewports. If you want more specific info then you can just ask. Cad and max use directx so you will find that "gaming" cards are more than capable so a quadro is not needed and would be less performance for the price. If he needs quadro depends on the type of work which hasn't been stated.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/10-AutoCAD-2013-3D-Performance-Summary,3286.html...
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1. i7 especially for 3D work loads like rendering b/c of hyperthreading.
2. 16gb is good for this as well just enough.
3. IPS is preferable,1080p+ so yes.
4. SSD of course a lot of writing and reading needs to be done, store finished projects in conventional hdds.
5. get a z87 model motherboard for overclock, a modest 1ghz at stock voltages and that cooler will do great(its so easy too!).
6. quadro GPU would be best but a geforce 660 or better due to budget.

when building PC's for this line of work you must have a bigger budget, hope it helps
 
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First thing is first. He should definitely get an i7 and at least 16gb of ram. Those will greatly benefit him in all of those programs. It seems like he does intense work, so if his budget allows, you might even want socket LGA 2011 with the i7-4930k.
Next thing, he would probably want a NVIDIA gpu for CUDA cores. The GTX 650 2gb seems like a good one. He might also want to take a look at the GTX 660 depending on how graphically intense his CAD work is. Modelling can get fairly gpu heavy sometimes.
I would only squeeze in a SSD after all of those upgrades.

Also, for the build, you can drop the Hyper 212 EVO since he's not overclocking. And then change the psu to something like the XFX 550w or Corsair CX500M Semi-modular.

 
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C12Friedman

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I'll suggest looking at some of the professional graphics cards rather than the 'gamers', AMD's FirePro or NVidia's Quadro series which although not much for gaming are very much designed with the purposes you list in mind.
The i7 CPU would be of benefit due to it's hyper-threading technology which acts as 4 additional 'virtual' cores for a total of 8 cores, again not something used in most games but helpful to production programs which can take advantage of it.
I think for this use a caching SSD (32-80GB) might be the ticket to allow fast access to frequently accessed data.
 
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k1114

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An e3-1230v3 is $50 cheaper than the i7 so is a much better deal for non ocers. Nvidia is supposed to release new gpus in march so depending on when he needs this you could look into that. Of the programs stated, only max has a gpu renderer so for anything else it's just for viewports. If you want more specific info then you can just ask. Cad and max use directx so you will find that "gaming" cards are more than capable so a quadro is not needed and would be less performance for the price. If he needs quadro depends on the type of work which hasn't been stated.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/10-AutoCAD-2013-3D-Performance-Summary,3286.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/29-CUDA-3ds-MAX-iRay,3305.html
 
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Balve

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Thank you for your replies!
I forgot to say that he won't be OCing, and that he doesn't need any perks of H87/Z87 mobos, so I guess B85 should do just fine. Also, 4930K configuration is breaking the bank I'm afraid.
After your input I got into some reading. I made some changes, so tell me if this looks better:

- Intel XEON E3-1230V3 8MB L3 / 3.3-3.7 GHz
- Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
- Crucial Ballistix Tactical 2 x 8 GB LP 1600 MHz / CL8 - 1.35 V
- Samsung SSD 840 Evo Series 120GB
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 - 1TB - 64MB - S-ATA 6Gbps
- Asus GTX660-DC2O-2GD5 - 2GB 192bit / 920 CUDA cores
- be quiet! Pure Power CM L8-530W 80+ Bronze

1. Suggestions: nice mATX case, no need for future watercooling options etc., just some decent quality / ventilation / silent ?
(Love the obsidian 350D, but no seller over here has them..(yet?) )
2. Is 530W PSU enough?
3. Planning to build it march/april, anything worth waiting for?

Thanks again, everyone!
 
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nikoli707

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is he making money? or is this a hobby?

gpu acceleration is roughly 20 to 600 than the best cpu ever made when it comes to a rendering computer.

if its just a hobby, find any quad core intel cpu, locked or unlock. hyperthreading wont make much of a difference. then find out which program are most important and what they recommend, or 3rd party add ons will support either the nvidia gtx or amd radeon gpus.

unless hes making loads of money and time is money and he has a near endless workload and hes talented, then i would run a quad sli/crossfire dual xeon setup and a program that supports gtx/radeon. forget quadro/firepro.
 
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k1114

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1. Take a look at the fractal define mini, arc mini, core 1000, silverstone tj08, ps09, lian li pc-a04, there are a lot of clean cases like the 350d.

2. You could get away with a good 450w but 530 leaves room for upgrade.

3. The new nvidia gpus is the only thing coming out soon. Intel broadwell cpus won't be out til the end of the year. Amd already released their gpus and their kaveri apus that come out on the 14th won't be what he needs.
 
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