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January 5, 2014 6:49:39 AM

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UPDATE - PROBLEM SOLVED GENTLEMEN:

I have chosen the best answer which should explain what the problem was. Turns out that one stick or RAM just won't cut it for this CPU. This CPU cries out for the power of two sticks! I bought a set of Kingston HyperX Beast memory (2x4gb) at 1600MHz.

Single-channel seems to be the problem and not the speeds. I disabled dual-channel with the new sticks and performance dropped like a dodo. Performance gains were around a whopping 80% in Battlefield 4, this is where I found the most performance.

Summary - Single-Channel RAM just won't cut it. Dual-Channel is pretty much required, at least for my set-up. It boosted my FPS by up to 80% across the board. Thanks to everyone for the replies and thanks for the help!

P.S - Sorry for the late update - I guess i got so excited by the performance increase i was knocked into a nerd-coma.
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Full specifications:

Case : Corsair 400R Matte black
Mobo: Asus Sabertooth 990FX Rev 2.0
CPU: AMD FX-8350 at 4.2 GHz
GPU: GTX 780 Asus DCUII
RAM: 8GB 1333Mhz Transcend Information (doesn't run at 1333Mhz)
HDD: Seagate 1TB 7200RPM
SSD: Crucial M500 120GB - Running my W8.1 OS
PSU: Corsair CX750 80+ Bronze
Case Fans: 11
CPU temp (LOAD) 35-50 degrees Celsius
GPU temp (LOAD) 40-65 degrees Celsius

I listed the case and fans etc to show I have excellent airflow and temperatures throughout the case.

Battlefield 4, Far Cry3, Metro Last Light, pretty much any reasonably CPU intensive game is making my GTX 780 look like a laughing stock and I hate it, I've gone through several graphics cards in the last few weeks (GTX 760, GTX 770, GTX 760's in SLI and now GTX 780) and its still the same.

Battlefield 4 is getting around 48FPS down to 38FPS on maps like Flood Zone, Hainan Resort, all the large maps which require some beef on the CPU.

CPU usage: 80-100%
GPU usage: 50-70%

Clearly a bottleneck, do i have a faulty CPU? Should i move to i5-4670k? CAn anyone help find benchmarks for other FX-8350's in these games at similar clocks?

I cannot OC past 4.2GHz as system crashes are rampant at those speeds.

I have seen on these forums people so assuredly saying the FX-8350 will not bottleneck any single GPU solution and will even handle SLI/Xfire. This has no where near been the case for me. Testing a single 770, 760 and 780. All the SAME performance!! GTX 760 SLI was a disaster no point even going there performance wise.

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January 5, 2014 6:54:25 AM

Do you know how to overclock? (sorry if that sounds patronising) You need to bump the voltage as well as the CPU multiplier.
Here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-pi...

Once overclocked you should see less of a bottleneck if there is one present.

Just to check: you have the latest BIOS, GPU Drivers, Chipset drivers?

That's a very nice rig, you shouldn't be having any issues. Is this on 1920x1080?
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January 5, 2014 6:54:36 AM

The I5 is a better overall gaming CPU so it is up to you.
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January 5, 2014 6:58:45 AM

JOOK-D said:
Do you know how to overclock? (sorry if that sounds patronising) You need to bump the voltage as well as the CPU multiplier.
Here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-pi...

Once overclocked you should see less of a bottleneck if there is one present.

Just to check: you have the latest BIOS, GPU Drivers, Chipset drivers?

That's a very nice rig, you shouldn't be having any issues. Is this on 1920x1080?


Thanks for the reply! When it comes to overclocking i'm more of a GPU OC'er. But I have been capable of overclocking a previous FX-6200 to 4.8GHz stable but this chip just doesn't wanna budge. I'm running at stock currently (4.0GHz) but see no drop in performance anyway.

I did some voltage steps and that did not seem to help at all. Performance was identical even in synthetic's but the heat was unbelievable. 66 celsius at 4.5GHz with rampant crashes. My cooler is also very adequate, its air but at stock it keeps my CPU down to 20C on idle and 35C at load.

EDIT: Also yeah 1080p and every driver you could imagine has been updated :p 
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January 5, 2014 7:08:22 AM

TheRavenHD said:
JOOK-D said:
Do you know how to overclock? (sorry if that sounds patronising) You need to bump the voltage as well as the CPU multiplier.
Here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-pi...

Once overclocked you should see less of a bottleneck if there is one present.

Just to check: you have the latest BIOS, GPU Drivers, Chipset drivers?

That's a very nice rig, you shouldn't be having any issues. Is this on 1920x1080?


Thanks for the reply! When it comes to overclocking i'm more of a GPU OC'er. But I have been capable of overclocking a previous FX-6200 to 4.8GHz stable but this chip just doesn't wanna budge. I'm running at stock currently (4.0GHz) but see no drop in performance anyway.

I did some voltage steps and that did not seem to help at all. Performance was identical even in synthetic's but the heat was unbelievable. 66 celsius at 4.5GHz with rampant crashes. My cooler is also very adequate, its air but at stock it keeps my CPU down to 20C on idle and 35C at load.

EDIT: Also yeah 1080p and every driver you could imagine has been updated :p 


Did you bump the CPU/NB voltage too? That's the problem that's been plaguing my overclock for the last few weeks.

Generally an i5 4670k will get higher FPS in most games than the AMD, but they're pretty equal in newer titles. BF4 is ridden with problems, I'm not surprised you get FPS drops it could be just an issue from BF4, however you have stated that the other games have issues too. It's odd, the AMDs can outperform the intels in FC3, BF4 and Crysis 3 (depending on the benches).

Is this a completely new rig and you've always had these problems? Did you upgrade from the 6200 with a fresh windows install?
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January 5, 2014 7:09:39 AM

spp85 said:
Seems like your system has serious problems :ouch:  ,AMD FX8350 perform at its best at battlefield 4. Have a look at the performance of FX8350 at

http://gearnuke.com/battlefield-4-pc-beta-benchmarks-hi...

Also

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchm...


Yeah i'm quite worried and i'm looking for some large amounts of help after chucking so much cash into this system and it's just not performing as it should.

Student here so obviously money is quite short atm.

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January 5, 2014 7:13:53 AM

JOOK-D said:
TheRavenHD said:
JOOK-D said:
Do you know how to overclock? (sorry if that sounds patronising) You need to bump the voltage as well as the CPU multiplier.
Here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-pi...

Once overclocked you should see less of a bottleneck if there is one present.

Just to check: you have the latest BIOS, GPU Drivers, Chipset drivers?

That's a very nice rig, you shouldn't be having any issues. Is this on 1920x1080?


Thanks for the reply! When it comes to overclocking i'm more of a GPU OC'er. But I have been capable of overclocking a previous FX-6200 to 4.8GHz stable but this chip just doesn't wanna budge. I'm running at stock currently (4.0GHz) but see no drop in performance anyway.

I did some voltage steps and that did not seem to help at all. Performance was identical even in synthetic's but the heat was unbelievable. 66 celsius at 4.5GHz with rampant crashes. My cooler is also very adequate, its air but at stock it keeps my CPU down to 20C on idle and 35C at load.

EDIT: Also yeah 1080p and every driver you could imagine has been updated :p 


Did you bump the CPU/NB voltage too? That's the problem that's been plaguing my overclock for the last few weeks.

Generally an i5 4670k will get higher FPS in most games than the AMD, but they're pretty equal in newer titles. BF4 is ridden with problems, I'm not surprised you get FPS drops it could be just an issue from BF4, however you have stated that the other games have issues too. It's odd, the AMDs can outperform the intels in FC3, BF4 and Crysis 3 (depending on the benches).

Is this a completely new rig and you've always had these problems? Did you upgrade from the 6200 with a fresh windows install?


Yeah bumped up those voltages.

When I upgraded I didn;t immediately do a fresh install but I did later on. Also I'm not sure if these problems have occured since I bought it as the GTX 770 and GTX 760 were performing just as they should. It was only when I went SLI I suspected something. GTX 760's in SLI were also getting drops of 38-48FPS so I just assumed I suck as setting up SLI and returned them to get a GTX 780 and yep... same performance :/  38-48FPS on large maps for BF4.

Other games are running similarly yes, CPU bottlenecking and hitting 100% whereas the GTX 780 is pretty much sat there sunbathing >_>
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January 5, 2014 7:15:21 AM

TheRavenHD said:
spp85 said:
Seems like your system has serious problems :ouch:  ,AMD FX8350 perform at its best at battlefield 4. Have a look at the performance of FX8350 at

http://gearnuke.com/battlefield-4-pc-beta-benchmarks-hi...

Also

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchm...


Yeah i'm quite worried and i'm looking for some large amounts of help after chucking so much cash into this system and it's just not performing as it should.

Student here so obviously money is quite short atm.



Do you have 1-8 GB RAM or 2-4 GB RAM. Also, what speed is it running at.

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January 5, 2014 7:18:06 AM

Anonymous said:
TheRavenHD said:
spp85 said:
Seems like your system has serious problems :ouch:  ,AMD FX8350 perform at its best at battlefield 4. Have a look at the performance of FX8350 at

http://gearnuke.com/battlefield-4-pc-beta-benchmarks-hi...

Also

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchm...


Yeah i'm quite worried and i'm looking for some large amounts of help after chucking so much cash into this system and it's just not performing as it should.

Student here so obviously money is quite short atm.



Do you have 1-8 GB RAM or 2-4 GB RAM. Also, what speed is it running at.

arrpee


single module 8GB Transcend Information piece of....

Got it for free with a Pre-built last year so i just kept it. If you bear with me for a sec I'll just grab the speeds it runs at during games but it runs at around 600MHz when just doing the normal desktop stuff's

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January 5, 2014 7:20:43 AM

TheRavenHD said:
Anonymous said:
TheRavenHD said:
spp85 said:
Seems like your system has serious problems :ouch:  ,AMD FX8350 perform at its best at battlefield 4. Have a look at the performance of FX8350 at

http://gearnuke.com/battlefield-4-pc-beta-benchmarks-hi...

Also

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchm...


Yeah i'm quite worried and i'm looking for some large amounts of help after chucking so much cash into this system and it's just not performing as it should.

Student here so obviously money is quite short atm.



Do you have 1-8 GB RAM or 2-4 GB RAM. Also, what speed is it running at.

arrpee


single module 8GB Transcend Information piece of....

Got it for free with a Pre-built last year so i just kept it. If you bear with me for a sec I'll just grab the speeds it runs at during games but it runs at around 600MHz when just doing the normal desktop stuff's



You should be running 2 sticks of ram (dual channel). The 8350 likes 1866 ram.

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January 5, 2014 7:21:43 AM

667 CPU-Z means it is 1333 because of Dual Data Rate
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January 5, 2014 7:25:44 AM

Just grabbing some screenies...
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January 5, 2014 7:28:06 AM

rolli59 said:
667 CPU-Z means it is 1333 because of Dual Data Rate


Ahhh thanks was suspecting that but wasn't too sure.
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January 5, 2014 7:49:04 AM

Last year there was a guy with similar problems with a fx8350 at bf3. It was actually the RAM which was bottlenecking and a OC of the RAM and northbridge solved his Problem.
Looks like its similar: one 1333 MHz may just doesnt cope it, i got more than double the bandwith with my 2*4gb @1600mhz. Maybe a friend can borrow you 2 sticks to find out if its the Problem
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January 5, 2014 8:16:32 AM

guggi4 said:
Last year there was a guy with similar problems with a fx8350 at bf3. It was actually the RAM which was bottlenecking and a OC of the RAM and northbridge solved his Problem.
Looks like its similar: one 1333 MHz may just doesnt cope it, i got more than double the bandwith with my 2*4gb @1600mhz. Maybe a friend can borrow you 2 sticks to find out if its the Problem


Yeah I was thinking the RAM may be a bottleneck but I don't know too much about RAM. Can RAM really make a difference between getting 32-48FPS and getting 60+ like I should be?
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January 5, 2014 8:24:53 AM

Try doing smallFFT in prime95. If it's stable for around an 1 hour then try the Blend test. I'm having issues with my RAM right now (more stability issues than performance issues) due to bad timings/voltages. The smallFFT passing would rule out your CPU being the culprit, from a hardware standpoint anyway, and if Blend fails then it could be your ram.
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Found this in a german forum, was benched at low so there is a CPU bottleneck, but note the 1333mhz is still in dual channel mode in opposite to yours
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January 5, 2014 8:52:11 AM

JOOK-D said:
Try doing smallFFT in prime95. If it's stable for around an 1 hour then try the Blend test. I'm having issues with my RAM right now (more stability issues than performance issues) due to bad timings/voltages. The smallFFT passing would rule out your CPU being the culprit, from a hardware standpoint anyway, and if Blend fails then it could be your ram.


guggi4 said:


Found this in a german forum, was benched at low so there is a CPU bottleneck, but note the 1333mhz is still in dual channel mode in opposite to yours


Woah! That's a pretty large difference.

I'm quite a novice when it comes to RAM, so single-channel is quite inferior to dual-channel? If so I might just pick up some Dual-Channel Kingston Hyper-X 1866Mhz memory from Amazon to see if my performance improves and if not, i can always exploit the return system as I did with m y graphics cards hahaha.
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January 5, 2014 9:02:49 AM

Dual channel doesn't make it twice as fast. Most programs will show at best 10% improvement. You are likely to see bigger/better gains by moving to faster ram rather then dual channel. 1333 is really slow by today's standards.
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January 5, 2014 9:07:35 AM

Never said it makes it twice as fast ;) 
Good idea, 1866mhz dual channel kit is what a FX likes most, if it doesnt help just send it back (sshhhh ;) 

Edit: as soon as you got your RAM, make sure that you enable XMP in BIOS to let the Ram run at the correct speeds, otherwise it will just run at the standard 1333mhz set by the bios
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January 5, 2014 10:45:44 AM

Thanks very much for all the help everyone! I will be ordering this week.

To anyone interested I found a forum on Battlelog where the OP had quite a similar if not identical situation to me and found that his FPS increased from 45FPS to 75FPS just because his single channel 1333MHz RAM was bottlenecking him.

https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/...

I will post back and choose the solution if this works :D 
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January 5, 2014 11:20:50 AM

Nice, let us know :) 
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January 6, 2014 1:04:47 PM

I never said you did. The OP said "so single-channel is quite inferior to dual-channel? and I didn't want him thinking twice as fast because he went from single to dual. I'd be more inclined to think the issue is 1333MHz ram (single doesn't help). I'm a bit surprised the slow down is that much. Might want to try OCing the ram and see how much it helps.
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May 21, 2014 9:17:39 AM

so did you ever solve the bottleneck? I also have this with my R9 290 and 8350.
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May 21, 2014 9:39:07 AM

I dont think the cpu is an issue here. I had an fx 6300 OC to 4.6ghz and it was running on high at around 60 avg, with the obvious dips to kinda 40's but that was because of explosions and stuff plus I only had a gtx 660 non ti.

it is not the fx 8350, but it COULD be your cpu being defective, or having a bad overclock. an fx 8350 should not bottleneck a gtx 780 to that kind of 30's. make a new thread jk teddy.
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May 21, 2014 10:16:31 AM

atf_mart said:
I dont think the cpu is an issue here. I had an fx 6300 OC to 4.6ghz and it was running on high at around 60 avg, with the obvious dips to kinda 40's but that was because of explosions and stuff plus I only had a gtx 660 non ti.

it is not the fx 8350, but it COULD be your cpu being defective, or having a bad overclock. an fx 8350 should not bottleneck a gtx 780 to that kind of 30's. make a new thread jk teddy.


Well, heres the thing, your 660ti was the bottleneck in yo 6300/660ti combo. Right now, my gpu usage is sitting at only 70-90% in maps, and turning settings down doesn't increase my fps. I have tried setting my bios to stock, and get about the same performance, same issues. Its not defective. my friend with his 8350 and r9 290 has the same fps drops in the same games.

A 6300 at 4.6ghz is right around the performance of my 8350 stock, so yes, you got drops to the 40's, and that could have been CPU side.
When you changed your settings lower, were you able to maintain a consistently higher fps? because for me, on many maps, I get the same fps on ultra and medium, and have to turn it to medium settings to even gain any more fps. turning it to medium releases the stress on the cpu, since turning down AA and GPU intensive settings only lowers my gpu usage, and results in the same FPS as with them on. I run 4xmsaa and high post antialiasing the same speed as with them off...

FYI: I've made 30+ threads on this, no one has an answer...
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May 21, 2014 10:26:46 AM

Ok, lets do something, one of the highest cpu demanding settings in bf4 is mesh quality. benchmark with low settings and with ultra settings. with your fx 8350 you should be able to keep it on high. if you what you state is correct you should see an increase in fps on low preset. on low preset with my old config (fx 6300) boosted fps like crazy. at the expense of uglyness.

try that and let me know.
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May 21, 2014 10:40:51 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2149342/6300-5gh...

if you take a look at this trhead hes using an fx 6300 and a gtx 780 wich is a lil bit faster or equal to your 290, so theres something else wrong with your system. it even could be windows.

drivers.

so many variables.
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May 21, 2014 10:48:04 AM

atf_mart said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2149342/6300-5gh...

if you take a look at this trhead hes using an fx 6300 and a gtx 780 wich is a lil bit faster or equal to your 290, so theres something else wrong with your system. it even could be windows.

drivers.

so many variables.


drivers are clean, I ran DDU. got latest 14.4 chipset and graphics drivers. All benchmarks seem to run fine (56 fps in Unigine Valley Extreme HD, 51.5fps in Unigine heaven all ultra), and so does Metro last light, far cry 3, Hitman absolution... its just games like Crysis 2, BF3 MP, and BF4 MP... I run Single player BF4 85-110fps. and Single player BF3, the first mission in the train? I got between 114 and 190 fps.. 114min! something is wrong, and I thin its the game hating FX architecture...

Mesh quality helps a bit, but not by much... ultra settings run 50-100, but low still run only 70-180...
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May 21, 2014 8:06:28 PM

Interesting. Anyone else with an FX chip want to drop it down to single channel memory and test? I'll leave this open if you do. I'd like to see some data on this. Otherwise I'll just close. Thanks for the update OP.
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May 21, 2014 8:26:11 PM

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Interesting. Anyone else with an FX chip want to drop it down to single channel memory and test? I'll leave this open if you do. I'd like to see some data on this. Otherwise I'll just close. Thanks for the update OP.


Me and my friend both are in dual channel RAM, CPU-z confirms it for me, and I use 1866mhz RAM (yes its correctly timed an configuring), he's got 1333mhz RAM, we both still get the same issues
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May 27, 2014 11:25:08 PM

I was just reading through your thread, and it seems like I have a similar problem. Only in different games. In Borderlands 2, I dip to low 40s at times, and just now I started Slender, and it's choppy as hell. I just don't get it. I have been troubleshooting this problem for months and I am at a total loss. My setup is an FX 8350 stock/OC 4.8, custom water cooler, Asus Crosshair V Formula Z, G.Skill Trident x 2x8GB 2133 (when running stock speeds I run them under at 1866), EVGA 780 ti Superclocked, Hyper x 240 GB SSD, and 3x600GB Velociraptors in raid. I don't mean to jump on your thread, but I have posted things on this site a few times, and only got one dude that has been trying to help for months now. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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May 28, 2014 9:26:40 AM

Shaun311 said:
I was just reading through your thread, and it seems like I have a similar problem. Only in different games. In Borderlands 2, I dip to low 40s at times, and just now I started Slender, and it's choppy as hell. I just don't get it. I have been troubleshooting this problem for months and I am at a total loss. My setup is an FX 8350 stock/OC 4.8, custom water cooler, Asus Crosshair V Formula Z, G.Skill Trident x 2x8GB 2133 (when running stock speeds I run them under at 1866), EVGA 780 ti Superclocked, Hyper x 240 GB SSD, and 3x600GB Velociraptors in raid. I don't mean to jump on your thread, but I have posted things on this site a few times, and only got one dude that has been trying to help for months now. Any thoughts would be appreciated.



I have issues in borderlands 2 too... To be honest, LOTS of games bottleneck with an 8350, even at 4.8ghz. That's the only conclusion I can reach. Here's and example for me in BF3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4&feature=you...

Seems getting an Intel is the only solution. A shame it is, the CPU isn't weak, its just wildly unsupported. Few games unlock its potential to run like an i7, so most games it runs like an i3...

I see slowdowns in:
-Wolfenstein New Order
-Borderlands 2
-BF3/BF4 without mantle
-Sleeping dogs/Watch Dogs
-Many single threaded games like Gmod and Minecraft
-Crysis 2 (3 is slow because gpu bound, but 2 bottles my gpu usage)

What's worse is that games are getting LESS optimized for the 8350 by the looks of it. The 4 months I've had it, its been nothing but trying to unlock my R9 290's potential...

Yet, I see plenty online with no troubles at all with their 8350's so...
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May 28, 2014 2:26:34 PM

jkteddy77 said:
Shaun311 said:
I was just reading through your thread, and it seems like I have a similar problem. Only in different games. In Borderlands 2, I dip to low 40s at times, and just now I started Slender, and it's choppy as hell. I just don't get it. I have been troubleshooting this problem for months and I am at a total loss. My setup is an FX 8350 stock/OC 4.8, custom water cooler, Asus Crosshair V Formula Z, G.Skill Trident x 2x8GB 2133 (when running stock speeds I run them under at 1866), EVGA 780 ti Superclocked, Hyper x 240 GB SSD, and 3x600GB Velociraptors in raid. I don't mean to jump on your thread, but I have posted things on this site a few times, and only got one dude that has been trying to help for months now. Any thoughts would be appreciated.



I have issues in borderlands 2 too... To be honest, LOTS of games bottleneck with an 8350, even at 4.8ghz. That's the only conclusion I can reach. Here's and example for me in BF3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4&feature=you...

Seems getting an Intel is the only solution. A shame it is, the CPU isn't weak, its just wildly unsupported. Few games unlock its potential to run like an i7, so most games it runs like an i3...

I see slowdowns in:
-Wolfenstein New Order
-Borderlands 2
-BF3/BF4 without mantle
-Sleeping dogs/Watch Dogs
-Many single threaded games like Gmod and Minecraft
-Crysis 2 (3 is slow because gpu bound, but 2 bottles my gpu usage)

What's worse is that games are getting LESS optimized for the 8350 by the looks of it. The 4 months I've had it, its been nothing but trying to unlock my R9 290's potential...

Yet, I see plenty online with no troubles at all with their 8350's so...


People also have vastly different standards. Some are happy with 30 FPS, others only happy with 60+ (myself included). Personally I had to replace my 8320, simply didn't have the per-core performance necessary to prevent frame drops, especially in some MP titles.
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May 29, 2014 10:41:20 AM

JOOK-D said:
jkteddy77 said:
Shaun311 said:
I was just reading through your thread, and it seems like I have a similar problem. Only in different games. In Borderlands 2, I dip to low 40s at times, and just now I started Slender, and it's choppy as hell. I just don't get it. I have been troubleshooting this problem for months and I am at a total loss. My setup is an FX 8350 stock/OC 4.8, custom water cooler, Asus Crosshair V Formula Z, G.Skill Trident x 2x8GB 2133 (when running stock speeds I run them under at 1866), EVGA 780 ti Superclocked, Hyper x 240 GB SSD, and 3x600GB Velociraptors in raid. I don't mean to jump on your thread, but I have posted things on this site a few times, and only got one dude that has been trying to help for months now. Any thoughts would be appreciated.



I have issues in borderlands 2 too... To be honest, LOTS of games bottleneck with an 8350, even at 4.8ghz. That's the only conclusion I can reach. Here's and example for me in BF3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4&feature=you...

Seems getting an Intel is the only solution. A shame it is, the CPU isn't weak, its just wildly unsupported. Few games unlock its potential to run like an i7, so most games it runs like an i3...

I see slowdowns in:
-Wolfenstein New Order
-Borderlands 2
-BF3/BF4 without mantle
-Sleeping dogs/Watch Dogs
-Many single threaded games like Gmod and Minecraft
-Crysis 2 (3 is slow because gpu bound, but 2 bottles my gpu usage)

What's worse is that games are getting LESS optimized for the 8350 by the looks of it. The 4 months I've had it, its been nothing but trying to unlock my R9 290's potential...

Yet, I see plenty online with no troubles at all with their 8350's so...


People also have vastly different standards. Some are happy with 30 FPS, others only happy with 60+ (myself included). Personally I had to replace my 8320, simply didn't have the per-core performance necessary to prevent frame drops, especially in some MP titles.


So you used to have this happen to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4
BF3 isn't exactly a stressful game, even when the FX series came out...
Is this how yours ran, or am I doing something WAY wrong?
See, I MATCH people's benchmarks, even this sites frame for frame:
http://www.vmodtech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/12...
http://www.vmodtech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/12...
And my 8350 is at 4.4ghz... theirs is at 4.9ghz...
You think that thats just how its gonna behave? you think everyone else that says theirs runs over 60 does this too?
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