OCing video card

BobCharlie

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I'm still running an old GTX550Ti and it's been a great card over the years and is serving as a hold-me-over until it's absolutely necessary to upgrade. Anyways, I decided to revisit overclocking it to squeeze a little more out of it. It does have a larger fan installed. All was going good, but I'm running into a peculiar issue.

Anyways, base clocks are 900 core, 1800 Shader. With Afterburner, I can run 998 Core, 1996 Shader but I have to bump the voltage to get it stable. Stock voltage is 1.087. At first, I was able to run the 998/1996 with 1.1v. Using BF4 MP as my testing grounds, 1.1v was the lowest voltage setting I could get w/o crashing. Played for 5-6 hours and temps never went past 63c. Fan was forced to max and voltage was forced to constant. When I'm done gaming, I always revert to stock settings and uncheck forced voltage. Next night, loaded up the profile, went to play, and it crashed within a minute. Checked temps, and they didn't even get to the previous night's max. (btw, I'm getting a DX error and it's relating to the card in the error box) So, bumped the voltage up to the next allowable setting, which oddly enough with Afterburner is like several increments as it won't let you fine-tune the voltage. In this case it was 1.112v. Game loaded and played all night w/o issues. Temps were higher with max being 67c. 3rd night same deal, loaded preset with what worked the night before, and crashed within a minute. This time it took 1.125 (again, Afterburner has weird voltage presets that it allows when clicking "Apply" so these numbers where what it allowed i.e. I couldn't input 1.113.) but on the 4th night it crashed with that setting so I decided to stop bumping the voltage and just lowered the OC.

I'd like to know what's going on? I mean temps are entirely reasonable with the card, I was playing on the same server ever night, with the same maps every night, and the entire time the game played smoothly. Thoughts? I have 331.82 driver.
 
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Nice overclock and impressive FPS gain. Is BF4 working consistently for you now?

OCScanner is great software (I like furry/tessy donut the best), but for me, its not a good test of stability by itself. You may want to run OCCT and/or Heaven too.

I had issues with my 580 that when an OC was unstable and crashed the driver, speeds and voltages were reverted to stock. You may not have to reset to fix this; Clicking on the clock speed and then hitting enter to reselect it forces it to recognize and run your overclocked speed again (you also have to redo the voltage). Restarting EVGA precision might help too.

Also, I had issues where benching programs would run at less than stock clocks. I've read that the cards are programmed so that...

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Strange that it runs for hours and then will only run for a minute the next day. I'd run several different programs to get a better idea of stability. I like OCCT, Heaven, and a resource intensive game benchmark (like Metro LL for example). Lastly, I'd run 3DMark.

To me, it makes more sense to find your maximum voltage/temps and keep bumping up the clock speeds until you find the max stable one. Just personal pref. but that method may be useful to you.
 

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I read awhile back that 999 or 1000 core was all the higher it'd go as one of the forceware updates prevented going any higher and would actually drop the settings. I know 1025 core was a common max people could get before the cap, so figured I'd shoot for 998. The voltage is capped close to where I was on the last try, so wasn't to eager to set it there. I'll try some software benches when some down time is available and see what's up. Thanks.
 

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OK, I spent some time OCing with a current MSI Afterburner, then with EVGA Precision X and running benchmarks with EVGA OC Scanner X, while monitoring with gpu-z and here's the results which can be applied to other cards as well.

If you go over 999mhz (with the GTX 550ti and possibly other similar, older cards with newer forceware drivers) AND it crashes an application, it'll either LOCK the speeds to the 2D clock rates (or default them if K-Boost is on) and only way I could undo this was a PC reset. Even opening an application that would use 3D clock speeds, it'd stay at 2D. I needed gpu-z to even see this. I was able however to get to 1025, but it needs more voltage to be stable. Neither Afterburner nor Precision X will allow more than 1.150v. Both applications DO allow going higher than "recommended" voltages, BUT neither allowed it with this particular card (unless I'm missing something). Using the EVGA OC Scanner X which has a multitude of rather simple and quick benchmarking tests, I was able to pass those w/o issues at 1025 gpu clock and a 2065 memory clock (1026/2052 memory is stock) using the 1.15v. Also, the voltages were just actual presets like with the older Afterburner. Both the recent Afterburner and EVGA P X had the same presets, so no fine tuning with the voltages. Running BF4 with 999 clock and 2065 memory ended up with a crash. Eventually rolled back the 999 to 980 and all was good. Temps never went past 68c.

EVGA OC Scanner X:
Running the 4M partical test in 1280x720 windowed form, AA off and artifact scanner off (seems to be the defaults if you open 1st time and just press "Benchmark" button saw score of 5941 with min. FPS of 88 and max of 111 fps which was the lowest of my tests with stock settings. 94 min. Fps was more common, but the test had to start out strong without a hiccup to get that.

Running same test with 999 and 2065 (Memory was very touchy. 2066 or higher saw a decrease in score) and 1.137v saw the score jump to 6729 with a minimum of 100 fps and max of 125 fps which is pretty significant, though the benchmarking at the very beginning of the test would stutter when transitioning after the load screen, so gotta watch that or it'll artificially lower the score, especially if the gpu is running at 2D clocks and needs to jump to 3D clocks (cause of the stutter I believe). The K-Boost button on helped it start the benchmark test smoother.

1011 core with 1032/2065 memory, 1.15v and it broke the 6818 mark with 102 min. fps and 127 max fps.

Was able to get a 1027 core with 2060 memory, same 1.15v. and a 6900, 102 min fps, 129 max fps but it isn't stable enough and crashes the driver right after it completed the test. Last night I got an insanely high 7200 when I first selected the K-Boost, but haven't even gotten close to repeating that. It did however start the benchmark very smoothly and initially a high fps, so I'm thinking that's why. The K-Boost alone is worth it's weight as it forces the card to be ready to go.

Well, it seems BF4 is more demanding than some of the benchmark tests. Doesn't really explain why it was at playable settings one night, then crashing the next, unless it was dropping the clocks to 2D or something silly. Real shame they locked out the higher voltages as I was getting pretty impressive performance increases, more impressive than I'd ever expect otherwise. Going from a min. FPS of 88 to 102-103, and a max FPS of 111 to 129 is pretty neat with this older card. I also found out that more voltage when it wasn't needed dropped the scores, as did the memory which plateaued very quickly. If you are reading this and want to OC your card, be sure to run gpu-Z or similar in the background and watch your clocks after a crash in case they lock-in at 2D rates. Leaving the K-Boost on seemed to prevent the 2D reversal and I was able to reset the rates w/o resetting the PC. Also, both Afterburner and EVGA P X have a profiles tab in the settings. If you save an OC setting, you can select that setting as a 2D and 3D setting, though I found with Afterburner it'd eventually ignore this and revert, and wasn't until K-Boost was selected with EVGA that it seems to stick and not revert to 2D or less speeds which can cause a stutter if a high load is quickly placed on the card and it's sleeping at a slow "energy saving" speed. Using nvidia's "prefer maximum performance" under the control center's settings didn't seem to help either. So, even if you don't OC and have a newer card, try turning on the K-boost under the voltage settings and force the fans on to max and try your favorite game. I promise you'll see an improvement with response as it'll actually use all of the video card's muscle instead of only a small percent. IF you can't get over 60 fps with a benchmark or similar, be sure to turn v-sync OFF in the driver's settings i.e. nvidia control panel for nvidia cards. Also, be SURE to blow the dust out of the video card every 1-3 months. Winter time with a furnace running can cause more dust build up as it gets pulled in. I like to put my hose on the outlet of my shop vac and carefully blow all the dust out of the PC. You'd be amazed at how much gets built up in rather quick time, and just how much it hurts your efficiency and long term life of components.
 

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Nice overclock and impressive FPS gain. Is BF4 working consistently for you now?

OCScanner is great software (I like furry/tessy donut the best), but for me, its not a good test of stability by itself. You may want to run OCCT and/or Heaven too.

I had issues with my 580 that when an OC was unstable and crashed the driver, speeds and voltages were reverted to stock. You may not have to reset to fix this; Clicking on the clock speed and then hitting enter to reselect it forces it to recognize and run your overclocked speed again (you also have to redo the voltage). Restarting EVGA precision might help too.

Also, I had issues where benching programs would run at less than stock clocks. I've read that the cards are programmed so that they downtune the clock rates in some programs (Furmark, most notably). I had this happen 1/2 the time with OCScanner. Restarting the program (sometimes multiple times) fixed the issue.

Just throwing that stuff out there, in that it may help.
 
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personally for cpu and gpu overclocking i like to run OCCT gpu stress and intel burn test set to maximum stress at the same time. i overclock the cpu first and make sure its stable for a pass through IBT max and then do a 12 hour prime95 small fft and then do a final OCCT gpu stress(gpu stock clocks) and IBT max at the same time to stress the power supply for holding power where voltage fluctuations will present themselves. for the gpu i just do the final step with OCCT gpu stress and IBT max stress at the same time. if the gpu can hold up to the OCCT stress until IBT is done with its passes on the maximum setting, the gpu is very likely stable at least for 6 months or so. if your at the limits of the gpus overclock it will likely lose 10-20mhz of stability in 6-12 months time or will need more voltage to hold that clock. with both the cpu and gpu overclocked it can again cause voltage waves to become dirty even more and the gpu overclock can affect the cpu overclock.