I found a pre built PC on Newegg ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1518941 ) and then there is one I am planning on getting ( http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/hGco ) The PC on Newegg has same specs but comes with a 750W PSU for $20 cheaper. Should I grab this PC or not?
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Pre built or Custom Built? (Same specs, lower price?)
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The one you put together has a much better PSU. Pre-built you don't usually get very good quality.
That isn't a pre-built computer. That is just a combo special. Basically, you save money on the parts because of the combo deal but you still have to build it yourself.
Anyways, I would always go with just selecting your own parts because those combo deals typically have some parts out of place. As chrisso has stated, the psu isn't that great. However, I would disagree on the gpu. MSI gpus are great. Anyways, the motherboard is also out of place. It uses a more expensive Z77 chipset motherboard which is used for overclocking, but it has a locked processor so you can't overclock anyways.
If this is a gaming build, you can do better than what you have in your parts list. At this budget, you're better off grabbing an AMD processor.
Anyways, I would always go with just selecting your own parts because those combo deals typically have some parts out of place. As chrisso has stated, the psu isn't that great. However, I would disagree on the gpu. MSI gpus are great. Anyways, the motherboard is also out of place. It uses a more expensive Z77 chipset motherboard which is used for overclocking, but it has a locked processor so you can't overclock anyways.
If this is a gaming build, you can do better than what you have in your parts list. At this budget, you're better off grabbing an AMD processor.
I dont trust MSI since that overvolting gpu's fiasco, but I am sure many have had no problems. The msi board in place is actually cheaper than many h87 boards, so these prebuilds have been assembled with the cheapest available compatible parts available in cheap batches, hence the mismatch.
Thats how they profit, guys.
Thats how they profit, guys.
No I wouldn't get it. If this is a gaming build, you can do better. You didn't list a budget and you didn't include a case, so I'm just going to post an example build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($89.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.41 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($65.23 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $665.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-07 21:41 EST-0500)
-It's actually overclockable. The i5-3350p is a locked processor so you CAN'T overclock it. It also has a H77 processor, which is fitting for the 3350p because it's unable to overclock.
-Stronger gpu. The GTX 760 is much stronger than the GTX 660.
-Added a cpu cooler for you to overclock.
Remember, this is just an example build. It will definitely change depending on your budget, and if that includes the OS/case. Also, the HDD you listed doesn't have a price on it, so I don't know if that's in the budget as well.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.75 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($89.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.41 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($65.23 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Total: $665.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-07 21:41 EST-0500)
-It's actually overclockable. The i5-3350p is a locked processor so you CAN'T overclock it. It also has a H77 processor, which is fitting for the 3350p because it's unable to overclock.
-Stronger gpu. The GTX 760 is much stronger than the GTX 660.
-Added a cpu cooler for you to overclock.
Remember, this is just an example build. It will definitely change depending on your budget, and if that includes the OS/case. Also, the HDD you listed doesn't have a price on it, so I don't know if that's in the budget as well.
In a nut shell, Intel's turbo boost technology allows the cpu to go a bit faster if it isnt too hot, but as you dont have
internal graphics running, thats all the time. You can also turn it up a bit more on that chip, as a bonus for buying a cpu with no graphics running.
internal graphics running, thats all the time. You can also turn it up a bit more on that chip, as a bonus for buying a cpu with no graphics running.
the 3350p is overclockable by greater than 10 % on a standard cooler, which is more than can be said for the fx. As I said, I asked on here last week and was told the update to h chipsets disabling turbo
multipliyer overclocks never happened.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1942226/turbo-boost-clocking.html#xtor=EPR-8809
If you are going to insist you are right, at least check the facts, fellow expert.
multipliyer overclocks never happened.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1942226/turbo-boost-clocking.html#xtor=EPR-8809
If you are going to insist you are right, at least check the facts, fellow expert.
So you're saying because the 3350P has no internal graphics (APU) it can overclock up to 10% which is a good thing I hear? And the FX cannot overclock as good as the 3350P can? I wasn't planning on overclocking but if I can I should go with the 3350P?
Turbo boost only works because it disable un-used cores to increase the clock speed. For example, if you're using the 3350p and you're using a single-core intense program, then the processor will disable the other cores because it's not being used and focus all of the power onto the single core. It's not considered overclocking because overclocking results in increasing the clock rate even when all of the cores are being used. Considering games can actually use four cores, it won't help much in games.
The 3350p won't "turbo-boost" better because it doesn't have an iGPU. That doesn't give it more headroom. Since it doesn't have an iGPU as compared to other processors, the TDP is also lowered as well. Normal Ivy Bridge chips has a 77w TDP while the 3350p only has a 69w TDP.
The 3350p won't "turbo-boost" better because it doesn't have an iGPU. That doesn't give it more headroom. Since it doesn't have an iGPU as compared to other processors, the TDP is also lowered as well. Normal Ivy Bridge chips has a 77w TDP while the 3350p only has a 69w TDP.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
Check out on this chart where the 3350p is (top shelf) and the 6300 is( third shelf down).
With the cooler, the amd chip is saving you $30. Even AMD'S best performing processor isnt as good as any normal i5 in games. You get what you pay for, and you would give up a lot for the sake of $30.
Check out on this chart where the 3350p is (top shelf) and the 6300 is( third shelf down).
With the cooler, the amd chip is saving you $30. Even AMD'S best performing processor isnt as good as any normal i5 in games. You get what you pay for, and you would give up a lot for the sake of $30.
Yes the i5-4670k is definitely stronger because it has stronger power per core. However, it's also double the price. Since games are mostly gpu dependent, you want a stronger gpu than a stronger cpu, but you need to make sure that the cpu doesn't bottleneck. With teh FX-6300 and GTX 760 build I posted above, you'll get much better gaming performance over an i5 with a GTX 660. Overclock the FX-6300 and you'll be set for games.
You need to remember that games are mostly gpu dependent. The FX-6300 is a great processor for the money, and when it's overclocked it should be a good enough processor for games. It still may not be as strong as an i5, but with the money saved from the FX-6300 you'll get a stronger gpu which will turn the tides in favor of the AMD build. AMD processors have great price/performance ratio, and while they may not be the best performing processor, they are great for budget builds.
And yes, turbo boost is possible with all the cores active, but it won't be that good of an increase. For the processor to reach the maxed out turbo speed, it needs to disable multiple cores.
And yes, turbo boost is possible with all the cores active, but it won't be that good of an increase. For the processor to reach the maxed out turbo speed, it needs to disable multiple cores.
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