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BF4 Bad FPS GTX 670 SLI i5 3570k @4.2 Ghz Possible Bottleneck?

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January 8, 2014 8:20:01 AM

Hi there community!

I was wondering after my recent upgrade to a second GTX 670, that my FPS in BF4 was a little low but I'm almost certain the GPU's are NOT the problem as I get 90 FPS average in the campaign and far less in the multiplayer (as low as 45 FPS). Some multiplayer games are renowned to be CPU intensive and I am now thinking is an upgrade to an i7 3770k for 100 Euros (I can get a deal from a friend) considering that I use lots of After Effects, 3DS Max, FRAPS/Dxtory recording etc...? My CPU is around 100% in multiplayer whilst my GPU's are around 50%, does this indicate that I need a more powerful CPU or is BF4 still very unoptimised?

I'm just a little irritated as this computer cost LOTS of money and I don't see much of a performance increase over my last computer setup.

Also last night I tried to update my GPU's to the lastest Nvidia driver R331 (332.21) WHQL and I got this just after downloading it: "Installation cannot continue" "Installation package is corrupt" My friend got that too, and he too is using a single GTX 670.

Thanks people! ;) 
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January 8, 2014 8:27:01 AM

Wow, you should be getting higher FPS than that - there was someone on these forums with a similar problem recently, a 3570k and SLI Nvidia cards and getting bad performance. I don't know if his problem was solved though, nor do I know how to fix yours.

But, if you can get a 3770k for 100 euros absolutely do it that's a great deal.

I know BF4 is still having issues so that could be it. Is this a new build? What was your old build like, and did you reuse any HDD's? You could run some AV/Anti Malware scans or maybe wipe your drivers and reinstall. Odd that you're getting the update issues too.
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January 8, 2014 8:29:59 AM

If you happen to get a good 3770k, then yeah, $100 to upgrade I'd say is pretty good. While it won't be a MASSIVE increase at all, everything on the i7 is a liiiiitle bit faster. If you're using recording programs while playing BF4 anyway you'll get grounded down, BF4 MP uses a heck of a lot of CPU power anyway, and so do the recording programs - have you tried Shadowplay? This would take the strain off the CPU a bit and onto the graphics cards.

You'll likely see better results with After Effects, Dxtory and the others you mentioned.
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January 8, 2014 9:13:14 AM

Hi there, thanks for the quick replies
JOOK-D, what sort of FPS should I be getting in multiplayer with my current setup? And yes I am using the same HDD's and SSD's from my old computer. But I never go on dodgy websites such as piratebay, plus I have always had my Norton subscription up-to-date. And just to put it out there I just played on Siege of Shanghai 64 Players with the latest update (downloaded the 332.21 off the Nvidia website just now, instead of GeForce Experience) and when I look into the battle at a distance I get around around 50 FPS, which doesn't seem right. but when I look away I get about 90-100 FPS.
So what do you guys think is my next plan of action?
Thanks! ;) 
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January 8, 2014 9:19:13 AM

I wouldn't bother with the 3770K..
That's actually quite a normal min. frame for BF 4 MP...
If you want to use your GPU power for the game....run it at a higher res or increase the Render quality in game.
Getting about the Same min. frames but up the render res to 135% to get the most out of my cards....1440P's next on the list for me.
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January 8, 2014 10:23:29 AM

Master-flaw said:
I wouldn't bother with the 3770K..
That's actually quite a normal min. frame for BF 4 MP...
If you want to use your GPU power for the game....run it at a higher res or increase the Render quality in game.
Getting about the Same min. frames but up the render res to 135% to get the most out of my cards....1440P's next on the list for me.


Hi there!
Just tried out increasing the res to 135%, just made the FPS lower :/ 
Thanks anyway ;) 
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January 8, 2014 10:43:32 AM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Master-flaw said:
I wouldn't bother with the 3770K..
That's actually quite a normal min. frame for BF 4 MP...
If you want to use your GPU power for the game....run it at a higher res or increase the Render quality in game.
Getting about the Same min. frames but up the render res to 135% to get the most out of my cards....1440P's next on the list for me.


Hi there!
Just tried out increasing the res to 135%, just made the FPS lower :/ 
Thanks anyway ;) 

Find the balance(120% ect)...it's a better more taxing substitute for AA. it isn't going to increase FPS but it will get you the best picture for the amount of GPU power you got...shouldn't lower frames at at all if your bottleneck is at the CPU.
Basically...you don't need 2X 670's for 1080p.

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January 8, 2014 10:49:57 AM

Hi again!
Just played some Siege of Shanghai 64 players and I went to the same point, looking at the same thing and got 43 FPS whilst my friend with an i7 3770k GTX 680 got 64 FPS. Something is DEFO wrong...
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January 8, 2014 10:55:12 AM

Have you tried un-overclocking your cpu to see how it performs like that? Just a thought.
BF4 should not be maxing out even a stock 3570 at 1080p.
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January 8, 2014 10:56:29 AM

kk i'll give it a go!
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January 8, 2014 10:58:48 AM

If you really want a 3770k...then go for it...
But it's not going to raise your frames by 20....maybye 2-3 frames tops.
Some sites are reporting less cores running better than more cores...
http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/u...
Here you have the I3 and 6300 out-preforming the 8350 and 4770K.
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January 8, 2014 2:21:30 PM

Master-flaw said:
If you really want a 3770k...then go for it...
But it's not going to raise your frames by 20....maybye 2-3 frames tops.
Some sites are reporting less cores running better than more cores...
http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/u...
Here you have the I3 and 6300 out-preforming the 8350 and 4770K.


Hi there!
Thanks for the response, this guy here upgraded to an i7 3770k and got his GPU to 100%, is this because he is running a single graphics card setup, or could I see this performance increase too?
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1885907/cpu-bo... (Bottom of the thread!)
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January 8, 2014 2:47:02 PM

Same setup as yours (but with no OC on the CPU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be7LfoKHKPQ

That guy doesn't seem to have the problem you are having, so I'm sure that a CPU upgrade will not help you.
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January 8, 2014 3:55:57 PM

What's your motherboard model? Try a BIOS update.
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January 8, 2014 4:01:03 PM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Master-flaw said:
If you really want a 3770k...then go for it...
But it's not going to raise your frames by 20....maybye 2-3 frames tops.
Some sites are reporting less cores running better than more cores...
http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/u...
Here you have the I3 and 6300 out-preforming the 8350 and 4770K.


Hi there!
Thanks for the response, this guy here upgraded to an i7 3770k and got his GPU to 100%, is this because he is running a single graphics card setup, or could I see this performance increase too?
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1885907/cpu-bo... (Bottom of the thread!)

Notice he went from an I5 2400@3.1 to a I7 3770K@ 4.7
The 3.1 to 4.7 is what made the difference not the fact that it was an I7...
You should try ordering a CPU cooler and overclocking.
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January 8, 2014 6:54:13 PM

Looks pretty normal to me. AFAIK, nVIDIA Graphics cards have an issue with frame rate dips in BF4. HardOCP mentioned it during their review here.

Perhaps this is what you're experiencing?
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January 9, 2014 7:40:48 AM

JOOK-D said:
What's your motherboard model? Try a BIOS update.


I recently updated my motherboard (1-2 weeks ago)
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January 9, 2014 8:08:15 AM

We'll is SLI working properly???? (doesn't seem like we've looked at this.....)

What is your motherboard brand and model (far too many folks "SLI" on motherboards with ONLY x4 PCI lanes in the second slot and gain next to Nothing in FPS.....)

Another check point:
- what are your FPS in BF4 with SLI "ON" ?
- what are FPS with SLI "OFF" ?

(NOTE: Your CPU is about as fast as they come, so, an upgrade won't be saving you there....)
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January 9, 2014 8:12:54 AM

I have the same setup and my mins are definitely over 60FPS. The only difference is my CPU runs at 4.7Ghz and I have 4GB cards (which the latter doesn't matter).
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January 9, 2014 9:00:19 AM

Reflex135 said:
I have the same setup and my mins are definitely over 60FPS. The only difference is my CPU runs at 4.7Ghz and I have 4GB cards (which the latter doesn't matter).


The 4GB may be whats doing it(probably more so the 4.7 Ghz)...BF 4 recommends 3gb vram...also read reviews stating that the game actually does go over the 2GB mark quite often.
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January 9, 2014 11:51:16 AM

jb6684 said:
We'll is SLI working properly???? (doesn't seem like we've looked at this.....)

What is your motherboard brand and model (far too many folks "SLI" on motherboards with ONLY x4 PCI lanes in the second slot and gain next to Nothing in FPS.....)

Another check point:
- what are your FPS in BF4 with SLI "ON" ?
- what are FPS with SLI "OFF" ?

(NOTE: Your CPU is about as fast as they come, so, an upgrade won't be saving you there....)


Hi there!
Welcome to the thread! Yes I made sure that my motherboard was sufficient for SLI. It is an MSI Z77 GD80, which after a TON of research is one of the best motherboards around, except the elitist ROG motherboards which are completely overpriced for the performance gain. I'll go and have a go at turning off SLI.

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January 9, 2014 12:58:11 PM

Hi there!
I just disabled SLI and made a video which will be uploaded shortly (rendering it as I send this message). Here is the footage with SLI enabled. I will give you the link shortly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki0bJG_qhe0 <----- SLI ENABLED!!
(I will place this link later) <----- SLI DISABLED

Thanks ;) 
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January 9, 2014 1:00:14 PM

Master-flaw, I guess it's possible the 4GB makes a difference. I know I saw an article where they tested cards for this and cards like the 670 drop low to 10-20 FPS when using 4Gb of Vram, but I guess its possible it can use 3 to an advantage!
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January 9, 2014 2:45:22 PM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Hi there!
I just disabled SLI and made a video which will be uploaded shortly (rendering it as I send this message). Here is the footage with SLI enabled. I will give you the link shortly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki0bJG_qhe0 <----- SLI ENABLED!!
(I will place this link later) <----- SLI DISABLED

Thanks ;) 

Yea surprised at how low the frames are without an overclock on the 3570K...
but you'ld be better of water cooling that CPU and getting a decent O.C. over the 3770K...

don't have anywhere near the problems you are having with my set-up(below)...and I have it max with 2X AA. Med-PPAA and 135% render res. A lot of AA but I currently play on a 40" T.V, it needs it.
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January 9, 2014 2:57:18 PM

Reflex135 said:
Master-flaw, I guess it's possible the 4GB makes a difference. I know I saw an article where they tested cards for this and cards like the 670 drop low to 10-20 FPS when using 4Gb of Vram, but I guess its possible it can use 3 to an advantage!


Hi there!
Should an increase of the texture resolution have an impact more on the VRAM or the GPU? I just looked at my video and noticed that I use around 1.8GB out of my 2.04GB Vram.
(The non SLI video didn't want to render, so I'll have another go at it tomorrow)

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January 9, 2014 3:16:34 PM

Another thing, if I were to upgrade to an i7, having an OEM windows 7 copy, will I have to get another one. Just like the way you have to do it with a new motherboard?
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January 9, 2014 3:20:54 PM

Nope, you won't have to get another copy.
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January 9, 2014 3:45:30 PM

64 player Railway, explosions everywhere not driving vehicles, different various locations:

2014-01-09 18:39:05 - bf4
Frames: 1104 - Time: 9422ms - Avg: 117.173 - Min: 90 - Max: 160

2014-01-09 18:39:36 - bf4
Frames: 3650 - Time: 33400ms - Avg: 109.281 - Min: 81 - Max: 144

2014-01-09 18:42:08 - bf4
Frames: 4712 - Time: 34258ms - Avg: 137.545 - Min: 96 - Max: 160

I'll go play Locker and let you know how that goes.


Locker:
2014-01-09 19:50:23 - bf4
Frames: 112167 - Time: 871078ms - Avg: 128.768 - Min: 62 - Max: 200

Paracel Storm is the second worst map for me, minimum is like 60 usually:
Frames: 18080 - Time: 209822ms - Avg: 86.168 - Min: 59 - Max: 144

Siege of Shanghai I have found is the only map I have the worst FPS on but only after the building falls.
This run below is me trying to get the worst frames possible. It is from just before skyscraper falling and through the end of the game, which is harder to run:
2014-01-09 20:37:03 - bf4
Frames: 108020 - Time: 1336102ms - Avg: 80.847 - Min: 43 - Max: 156

Max memory used all day during BF4 was 2353 MB
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January 9, 2014 9:05:58 PM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Reflex135 said:
Master-flaw, I guess it's possible the 4GB makes a difference. I know I saw an article where they tested cards for this and cards like the 670 drop low to 10-20 FPS when using 4Gb of Vram, but I guess its possible it can use 3 to an advantage!


Hi there!
Should an increase of the texture resolution have an impact more on the VRAM or the GPU? I just looked at my video and noticed that I use around 1.8GB out of my 2.04GB Vram.
(The non SLI video didn't want to render, so I'll have another go at it tomorrow)


Vram is mainly effected by texture quality/filtering and MSAA. Lowering them may help.
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January 10, 2014 7:58:53 AM

Reflex135 said:
64 player Railway, explosions everywhere not driving vehicles, different various locations:

2014-01-09 18:39:05 - bf4
Frames: 1104 - Time: 9422ms - Avg: 117.173 - Min: 90 - Max: 160

2014-01-09 18:39:36 - bf4
Frames: 3650 - Time: 33400ms - Avg: 109.281 - Min: 81 - Max: 144

2014-01-09 18:42:08 - bf4
Frames: 4712 - Time: 34258ms - Avg: 137.545 - Min: 96 - Max: 160

I'll go play Locker and let you know how that goes.


Locker:
2014-01-09 19:50:23 - bf4
Frames: 112167 - Time: 871078ms - Avg: 128.768 - Min: 62 - Max: 200

Paracel Storm is the second worst map for me, minimum is like 60 usually:
Frames: 18080 - Time: 209822ms - Avg: 86.168 - Min: 59 - Max: 144

Siege of Shanghai I have found is the only map I have the worst FPS on but only after the building falls.
This run below is me trying to get the worst frames possible. It is from just before skyscraper falling and through the end of the game, which is harder to run:
2014-01-09 20:37:03 - bf4
Frames: 108020 - Time: 1336102ms - Avg: 80.847 - Min: 43 - Max: 156

Max memory used all day during BF4 was 2353 MB


Hi there!
Thanks for those benchmarks! So there is probably something wrong with my system as my minimum FPS in Operation Locker is around 43 FPS. Do you experience bad FPS in Flood Zone? Because in the centre of the map (with the rooftops) I get FPS around the 50's constantly in that area which is VERY distracting... I was also thinking that when I read another post, a guy didn't put his SLI cable on correctly, if I had put the cable on incorrectly, would I be able to select SLI mode (Nvidia calls it Maximum 3D performance). Just to put it out there I CAN select that option.
When I installed my second 670, was I supposed to install the drivers before the application of the SLI bridge, or does it not matter?

Also what program did you use to benchmark BF4?

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January 10, 2014 9:03:07 AM

Download Fraps, it has you just press a button and it benchmarks for you and saves it to a file when you stop the benchmark with the same button.

Do you have this problem on 32 players locker? or other 32 player maps?

Floodzone 32 or 64? I'll benchmark it tonight for you.

If my SLI bridge is on wrong I get yellow flickering.

I plugged both cards in, installed Windows, then installed the drivers.

Overclocking my CPU increases my minimum FPS in BF4 which is why I did it.

Not sure if this really matters but my ram is 2133 mhz.
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January 10, 2014 9:40:47 AM

Reflex135 said:
Download Fraps, it has you just press a button and it benchmarks for you and saves it to a file when you stop the benchmark with the same button.

Do you have this problem on 32 players locker? or other 32 player maps?

Floodzone 32 or 64? I'll benchmark it tonight for you.

If my SLI bridge is on wrong I get yellow flickering.

I plugged both cards in, installed Windows, then installed the drivers.

Overclocking my CPU increases my minimum FPS in BF4 which is why I did it.

Not sure if this really matters but my ram is 2133 mhz.


Sorry, what gets yellow flickering?
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January 12, 2014 6:55:52 AM

Also, can you return a CPU if you don't do well in the "Silicon lottery"?
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January 12, 2014 1:52:55 PM

No. Only if there's something genuinely wrong with it.
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January 12, 2014 4:18:58 PM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Also, can you return a CPU if you don't do well in the "Silicon lottery"?


No you cannot as there isn't anything actually wrong with it.
Remember, that your processor is validated for the stock settings, anything above that is out side of specifications and not covered by the warranty.

When you stated your GPU usage, was it just "GPU usage" or was it specific to which GPU (GPU0 usage, GPU1 usuage)? If it's general GPU then that would mean that your second GPU isn't being used while your first is on max.
To be quite honest, your fps isn't that bad. I have a 4960x and 770 and I get dips to about 60 (770 is a better performing 680). I doubt upgrading your processor is going to fix it.
The only reason why I would suggest getting it would be to improve rendering times in AE.
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January 13, 2014 8:24:18 AM

blade of grass said:
MrSniperTrifle said:
Also, can you return a CPU if you don't do well in the "Silicon lottery"?


No you cannot as there isn't anything actually wrong with it.
Remember, that your processor is validated for the stock settings, anything above that is out side of specifications and not covered by the warranty.

When you stated your GPU usage, was it just "GPU usage" or was it specific to which GPU (GPU0 usage, GPU1 usuage)? If it's general GPU then that would mean that your second GPU isn't being used while your first is on max.
To be quite honest, your fps isn't that bad. I have a 4960x and 770 and I get dips to about 60 (770 is a better performing 680). I doubt upgrading your processor is going to fix it.
The only reason why I would suggest getting it would be to improve rendering times in AE.


Hi there!
Thanks for the response, something just crossed my mind, is it possible that I may have a faulty chip?
Two of my friends both have a GTX 680 and an i7 3770k @stock clocks setup, and their FPS is roughly the same if not better than mine (in the same area looking at the same point, one of my friends achieved almost 20fps more than me!!!). Theoretically, my 670's should be far faster than theirs. The only better components in their setups are the CPU and 16GB RAM (more memory but slower).
I noticed how if I disabled SLI, my GPU usage maintains around at least 95% and up, whereas with SLI enabled it is around 50%, with dips as low as 25%!

If I increase the texture resolution in BF4, my GPU usage increases, but my FPS drop a bit lower. Does this indicate anything to you guys?

Are there any other diagnostic processes that could help me find out what is causing these lag issues with my pc?

Thanks for any responses ;) 
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January 13, 2014 3:52:52 PM

MrSniperTrifle said:
Hi there, thanks for the quick replies
JOOK-D, what sort of FPS should I be getting in multiplayer with my current setup? And yes I am using the same HDD's and SSD's from my old computer. But I never go on dodgy websites such as piratebay, plus I have always had my Norton subscription up-to-date. And just to put it out there I just played on Siege of Shanghai 64 Players with the latest update (downloaded the 332.21 off the Nvidia website just now, instead of GeForce Experience) and when I look into the battle at a distance I get around around 50 FPS, which doesn't seem right. but when I look away I get about 90-100 FPS.
So what do you guys think is my next plan of action?
Thanks! ;) 


Check that Vertical Sync or Frame Sync is turned off.

If that doesn't help:
Download a quality anti-virus scanner such as Avira Antivir, Avast! or AVG.
Uninstall Norton AV, it's known to slow down a computer.
Reboot the computer.
Install Avira Antivir, Avast! or AVG.
Reboot the computer.

Enjoy BF4.

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January 13, 2014 4:01:57 PM

mikef845 said:
MrSniperTrifle said:
Hi there, thanks for the quick replies
JOOK-D, what sort of FPS should I be getting in multiplayer with my current setup? And yes I am using the same HDD's and SSD's from my old computer. But I never go on dodgy websites such as piratebay, plus I have always had my Norton subscription up-to-date. And just to put it out there I just played on Siege of Shanghai 64 Players with the latest update (downloaded the 332.21 off the Nvidia website just now, instead of GeForce Experience) and when I look into the battle at a distance I get around around 50 FPS, which doesn't seem right. but when I look away I get about 90-100 FPS.
So what do you guys think is my next plan of action?
Thanks! ;) 


Check that Vertical Sync or Frame Sync is turned off.

If that doesn't help:
Download a quality anti-virus scanner such as Avira Antivir, Avast! or AVG.
Uninstall Norton AV, it's known to slow down a computer.
Reboot the computer.
Install Avira Antivir, Avast! or AVG.
Reboot the computer.

Enjoy BF4.



VSync must be turned off, otherwise it wouldn't exceed 60 (assuming OP has 60Hz monitor). Agreed on the AV front, though I highly doubt it's the main issue.
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January 14, 2014 1:38:29 AM

Say I were to install the new i7, would I just need to pop it in then it's done? Or do I need to do something a bit more technical?
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January 14, 2014 12:43:28 PM

What version of windows are you running?
If your not running 8 then that may be a cheaper upgrade then the I7. It's been said to boost min frames in BF4.

For installing your CPU just check your Motherboards support page to see if it's listed under the BIOS version you have...if it's a system you built yourself then chances are all you have to do is drop it in.
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January 14, 2014 1:24:55 PM

Battlefield 4 plays perfectly on my rig. No issues whatsoever. It almost feels like I'm playing a different game than all these NVidia users. No offense guys but there are no bugs in BF4 on my end right now.
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January 14, 2014 1:49:53 PM

Same here...this game runs Xfire like a dream and whatever updates they did recently only helped gain performance i really didn't need...
Ran this last night and was getting 80+ on ultra...lowest dip was 65.
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January 14, 2014 2:21:44 PM

You know it just might be a driver-optimization problem, instead of looking all over your hardware, it might just be BF4-software issue, or driver issue.
I do not have BF4 just yet to check it out on my system, but I am certain it would run good..
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January 14, 2014 2:31:21 PM

Idan Cohen said:
You know it just might be a driver-optimization problem, instead of looking all over your hardware, it might just be BF4-software issue, or driver issue.
I do not have BF4 just yet to check it out on my system, but I am certain it would run good..


Precisely. I pointed it out above. Even provided a link to a HardOCP review. But since he has nVIDIA cards, he's prone to blaming everything else but the nVIDIA drivers. Kinda why people leave with a false illusion of how "good" nVIDIA drivers are. Blame everything else but the drivers.
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January 15, 2014 5:24:08 AM

ElMoIsEviL said:
Idan Cohen said:
You know it just might be a driver-optimization problem, instead of looking all over your hardware, it might just be BF4-software issue, or driver issue.
I do not have BF4 just yet to check it out on my system, but I am certain it would run good..


Precisely. I pointed it out above. Even provided a link to a HardOCP review. But since he has nVIDIA cards, he's prone to blaming everything else but the nVIDIA drivers. Kinda why people leave with a false illusion of how "good" nVIDIA drivers are. Blame everything else but the drivers.


Hi there!
I read on a thread elsewhere that a guy with a GTX 780ti plus an i5 got pretty bad BF4 FPS, changes to an i7, FPS goes up...

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January 15, 2014 5:55:10 AM

BF4 is poorly optimized and I would not install such garbage on to my gaming rig....
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January 15, 2014 5:58:38 AM

not even an underclocked i5 3570k can bottleneck your gpu
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January 15, 2014 7:43:08 AM

Master-flaw said:
Reflex135 said:
I have the same setup and my mins are definitely over 60FPS. The only difference is my CPU runs at 4.7Ghz and I have 4GB cards (which the latter doesn't matter).


The 4GB may be whats doing it(probably more so the 4.7 Ghz)...BF 4 recommends 3gb vram...also read reviews stating that the game actually does go over the 2GB mark quite often.


I don't think the VRAM is the problem since i run it on my 650 ti with 1gb of vram at 1080p high settings.

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January 19, 2014 2:34:56 PM

Hi there!
I apologize for my late reply...
I upgraded to the i7 3770K over the weeked, overclocked it to a sweet 4.6Ghz (Corsair H60i stopped me from getting to my 4.8Ghz goal...). Unfortunately I did not receive the BF4 performance gain I was looking for. :(  On the plus, I did get a massive FPS boost when using fraps/Dxtory.
Now that I have ruled out a CPU bottleneck, are there any other solutions that I can do in order to increase my GPU usage which increases FPS opposed to visual quality in BF4 and other games?
Also occasionally I get this extremely irritating FPS drop down to less than 5 FPS when I look either at the other end of the map, or when I look down a telescopic scope (20x or 40x scope in BF4). Any fixes to that too?
Thanks in advance :) 
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