Which case would be the best for water cooling? HAF X / Corsair 900d?

Rebel A

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Hi everyone guys! I'm here in total confussion hoping to get some answers!
The thing is I already have a HAF 912 but the basic model you know.. with no side window and gray inside.. I really don't like it.. So now I'm about to buy a new case and I also want to incorporate a WCS

This is my rig:

Core i7 2600 (I wanna upgrade the CPU , but do I have to wait till Haswell -E 8core comes out?)
Intel DP67BG (I wanna buy a Asus Rampage IV Extreme and an i7 3930k , but again ..wait for Haswell -E?)
16gb Gskill Sniper (I wanna get 64gb Corsar Dominator Platinum , but I need to get a better mobo)

2x GTX 780 Ti reference model (I wanna get some waterblocks , which is better , EK or XSPC?)

PSU AX 1200i Corsair

The things I want to water cool are: VGA's , CPU and Mobo

Will there be enough room in a HAFX to do this properly?

I've read that Corsaid D's series such as 800d or 900d has poor airflow? So I think that's not a problem for HAFX , is there's a very good airflow + watercooling , there'll be better temps? Or watercooling is enough?

Please help me guys and sorry for my really bad english!!

I'm from Peru

Thanks for your help in advance!
 
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As I said earlier, its your choice, you could wait for HASWELL-E to come out, or you could go with Asus Rampage IV Extreme + 3930k(6 cores) or i7-4770K(4 cores) or Core i7-980 (6 cores) or Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition(6 cores) or Intel Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition(6 cores) and over 1000$$

HAF X will handle WC properly and there is room for the radiator to fit inside the case(if that is what you are asking).

And enlighten me with an editing software which uses 64GB of RAM or even close !

I think its nothing to do with Comp Engg. but you got loads of money to smoke away, so you are trying to build an unbalanced PC.

I think you already know this but still if you have spare time read this :

A multi-core processor is a single...
I would prefer HAF X.

GTX 780Ti requires 42 Ampere on +12V rail with a minimum of 550W PSU. But that's in paper, in real life the card will use max 300W of power, so in SLI setup a 750/800W PSU will be enough. No need for 1200W PSU, but its your call.

Haswell-E series will probably be out late 2014, so if you want to wait you are welcome, else you can go with i7-4770K.

And what will you do with 64GB of RAM ? You can use at the most is 8GB of RAM for modern day games and programs, so 64GB will be a huge overkill and waste of money.
 

Rebel A

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Thanks for your answer man! I want an overkill rig , that's why I want to do the right things...
I heard that Haswell-E would bring 8 core processors right? I think that'd be a great upgrade compared to 4 cores
I want a workstation I think that's the name.. I not only play games .. I'm studying Computer Engeneering (not exactly sure if that's the correct translation , don't be mean with me :D) to be able to use editing sotware and such (sorry I don't know how to explain mysefl about this) so basically not only for gaming..

I also prefer HAFX , but I'm not sure if it will handle the WCS properly , I don't want radiators outside the case..

What do you think? Asus Rampage IV Extreme + 3930k or wait for Haswell-E x99 mobo?
 
As I said earlier, its your choice, you could wait for HASWELL-E to come out, or you could go with Asus Rampage IV Extreme + 3930k(6 cores) or i7-4770K(4 cores) or Core i7-980 (6 cores) or Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition(6 cores) or Intel Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition(6 cores) and over 1000$$

HAF X will handle WC properly and there is room for the radiator to fit inside the case(if that is what you are asking).

And enlighten me with an editing software which uses 64GB of RAM or even close !

I think its nothing to do with Comp Engg. but you got loads of money to smoke away, so you are trying to build an unbalanced PC.

I think you already know this but still if you have spare time read this :

A multi-core processor is a single computing component with two or more independent actual central processing units (called "cores"), which are the units that read and execute program instructions.[1] The instructions are ordinary CPU instructions such as add, move data, and branch, but the multiple cores can run multiple instructions at the same time, increasing overall speed for programs amenable to parallel computing.[2] Manufacturers typically integrate the cores onto a single integrated circuit die (known as a chip multiprocessor or CMP), or onto multiple dies in a single chip package.

Processors were originally developed with only one core. Multi-core processors were developed in the early 2000s by Intel, AMD and others. Multicore processors may have two cores (Dual core) (e.g. AMD Phenom II X2, Intel Core Duo), four cores (Quad core) (e.g. AMD Phenom II X4, Intel's quad-core processors, see i5, and i7 at Intel Core), 6-cores (e.g. AMD Phenom II X6, Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X), 8-cores (e.g. Intel Xeon E7-2820, AMD FX-8350), 10-cores (e.g. Intel Xeon E7-2850) or more. A multi-core processor implements multiprocessing in a single physical package. Designers may couple cores in a multi-core device tightly or loosely. For example, cores may or may not share caches, and they may implement message passing or shared memory inter-core communication methods. Common network topologies to interconnect cores include bus, ring, two-dimensional mesh, and crossbar. Homogeneous multi-core systems include only identical cores, heterogeneous multi-core systems have cores that are not identical. Just as with single-processor systems, cores in multi-core systems may implement architectures such as superscalar, VLIW, vector processing, SIMD, or multithreading.

Multi-core processors are widely used across many application domains including general-purpose, embedded, network, digital signal processing (DSP), and graphics.

The improvement in performance gained by the use of a multi-core processor depends very much on the software algorithms used and their implementation. In particular, possible gains are limited by the fraction of the software that can be run in parallel simultaneously on multiple cores; this effect is described by Amdahl's law. In the best case, so-called embarrassingly parallel problems may realize speedup factors near the number of cores, or even more if the problem is split up enough to fit within each core's cache(s), avoiding use of much slower main system memory. Most applications, however, are not accelerated so much unless programmers invest a prohibitive amount of effort in re-factoring the whole problem.[3] The parallelization of software is a significant ongoing topic of research.

The terms multi-core and dual-core most commonly refer to some sort of central processing unit (CPU), but are sometimes also applied to digital signal processors (DSP) and system-on-a-chip (SoC). The terms are generally used only to refer to multi-core microprocessors that are manufactured on the same integrated circuit die; separate microprocessor dies in the same package are generally referred to by another name, such as multi-chip module. This article uses the terms "multi-core" and "dual-core" for CPUs manufactured on the same integrated circuit, unless otherwise noted.

In contrast to multi-core systems, the term multi-CPU refers to multiple physically separate processing-units (which often contain special circuitry to facilitate communication between each other).

The terms many-core and massively multi-core are sometimes used to describe multi-core architectures with an especially high number of cores (tens or hundreds).[4]

Some systems use many soft microprocessor cores placed on a single FPGA. Each "core" can be considered a "semiconductor intellectual property core" as well as a CPU core.
 
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CM-Patrick

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Hello Rebel A,

What size radiators do you plan using? The HAF-X will support a 240mm radiator at the top of the case. You can also install a 120mm radiator in the rear exhaust fan location.

Please let me know if you have any more questions
 
The 900D is the outright better option for water-cooling, it just has far more radiator mounts that are bigger, and with a ton more room for just generally having a loop. I'm not knocking on the HAF-X (I use one myself and love the thing), just its a very unfair comparison. The HAF-X is about $150-200 while the 900D will ring up more like $300 (American prices, no idea for Peru), and its a year or two newer.

The HAF-X can support a 360mm rad at the top if your willing to sacrifice the top 5.25" bay (something slim will fit there though), and a 240mm at the front if your willing to sacrifice the 3.5" bays. That as well as the 120mm mount at the back.
So without modification you can only get 360+120mm of rad space in a HAF-X, which I dont think will be sufficient for the loop your after. You can externally mount a radiator (I have a 360mm hanging off the back fan mount) but you said you dont want to do that.

My suggestion, get the 900D. Airflow is fine with it, any decent case will have good airflow. Other options worth considering is the Phanteks Enthoo Primo, which IMO is better than the 900D, or the Coolermaster HAF Stacker if you want to keep the HAF aesthetic.
 

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Thank you so much for your answer , you solved many of my doubts!
So you're telling me that without any modification I can only get 360mm at the top and 120mm at the rear exhaust..
But there's a new question.. As I said before , I wanna WC the CPU , 2 VGA's and the MoBo.. So.. 360+120mm won't be enough right? How many rads do I need to add in order to WC all those parts properly? If I sacrifice 5.25'' and 3.5'' bays , how am I supposed to install my LG Bluray Writer? I only got this and an SD/Micro SD reader , the only one I care about is the Bluray Writer.. Can I use both? WC and the writer? and if I remove the 3.5'' bay.. Where will I place my SSD's HDDs? Sorry if there are some stupid questions.. but I'm very noob at this..
Thank you so much to everyone who answered me! Thanks sincerely!

PS: Corsair 900d costs 330$.. and that's S/.924 Nuevos Soles (Peru) but I need to add the shipping and taxes (suicide) the real price would be 1770 Soles or 630$ , that's SO EXPENSIVE.. I'd rather spend that money to buy the VGA's.
 
No, for a loop like that I would be considering 360+360mm, or 360+240mm if it was a thick 240mm.

The top 360mm only blocks the top 5.25" bay, all the others you can still use.
The 3.5" bays if you remove them you will have to get creative where you mount drives. The HAF-X has hot swap bays set up in the two bottom 5.25" bays. You can put two drives there. The way I have it set up (I have pulled out my 3.5" bays) is with two HDD's in the hot swap, with an SSD plunked on top of it with a normal connection.