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Foodrichie

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First of all, I thank you for reading this thread! ...

I have a AMD Phenom II X4, 3 ghz and GTX 560 graphics card. I have enough ram to run max settings Ghosts and Battlefield 4. ( 1600 mhz speed ). There is my problem - I can run Battlefield 4, Ghosts on Extra settings with all the funcions. I'll play games max for 1 minute when the all starts, stuttering, lagging. Can you fellas please help me out? I'll be clad brothers! There is no problem with internet connection, my ping is 21 below.
 
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Glad to hear you're up and running, foodrichie :)



You're right. Your single experience trumps dozens of professional sites that do rigorous, standardized, repeated and repeatable tests.

Personal experience is a poor substitute for evidence.

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No everything is fine, graphics card temp is 40, it's very good for that. Mobo temp is the same, processor temp is little bit higher than 40. I readed something, maybe the graphics driver makes it. I'll try to driver sweep it and reinstall, I'll let you guys know.

Thanks for answering!
 
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That's backwards. If your video settings are low, then the load on the video card goes down. the load on the CPU does not change. That means if you lower graphics settings and your framerate stays the same, your CPU is definitely the issue.

I do agree that the video card is more the issue, however. The RAM amount is less of a problem than the card itself, though.

At of the end of November, a 560 averaged 25 fps in BF4 on 1920/max (roughly equivalent to HD 7790)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/11/27/battlefield-4-performance-analysis/3

as you can see by the 650 ti boost fps, 2gb doesn't help @1920 here.
 
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You just made my point.

The CPU will run the game on low/medium, but the video card will not with 1GB at "Extra settings with all the functions". I'd assume that to mean Ultra. One of my machines has a 965BE and 6970HD 2GB and gets much higher than 25 FPS but only with the right settings, so that "benchmark" leaves a bit to be desired as it appears to be using the default settings for Ultra/High/Med/Low instead of making finer adjustments such as turning off ambient occlusion, AA etc.

There are many tweaks one can use on lower end systems that make the game playable, just without all the eye candy.

1GB on any video card will make BF4 unplayable on High/Ultra/HBAO/4xMSAA etc.

The OP didn't mention what OS he's using. If it is Vista, good luck.



 
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You misread. 1gb video memory isn't the problem. the fact that it's a 560 is. look closer at the benchmark. the 2gb cards just above don't see any major jump in performance that isn't already accounted for by the faster GPU.

Like I said just after you quoted - the 2gb 650 ti boost doesn't see any benefit from the extra memory. The amount of memory on the card is a distant second place problem to the GPU itself. Said another way, a 2gb 560 wouldn't see any performance increase.

Like I also already said, I agree that the video card is the issue, just not in the way you claim. He just flat out needs a faster GPU. Any he can buy will have 2gb anyway.
 
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I don't give a rat's behind about "benchmarks". Real world testing and tweaking is where it's at.

He only needs a faster GPU if he wants the eye candy. That is the bottom line. He may not have the money for a new video card, so telling he can't play unless he buys one is bad advice. If he just wants to play the game without severe lagging etc., he needs to do some adjusting. He won't keep up with the 100 FPS guys with low input lag, but at least will have some fun. One thing he definitely should not do is get another 560 and SLI expecting to improve gameplay at the higher settings; he still would have 1GB vram.

If his card had 2gb vram, he wouldn't hit the brick wall after 1 minute, he'd mainly have consistent very low FPS from the get go although still not an enjoyable experience on higher settings. 3GB seems to be the sweet spot for BF4, but agree would be a waste for this card.

GTX 560 in action at the appropriate settings. Of course if FRAPS or other video capture app was used, the game would just about freeze up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_3e5En-Qc

A tool that actually works:
http://battlefield.realmware.co.uk/bf4-settings-editor/downloads

The guide that will allow those with low end cards to play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQvwjKkJwsM

Also block unnecessary background processes including putting AV in "game mode" (or similar). He should OC the CPU if possible, even just 5-10% if that's all it will give; that will improve performance.

Been there, done ALL that and more, just not with a GTX 560.
 
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Thanks for answering, I reinstalled new copy of windows so the problem is here too maybe? Some drivers are missing? GTX 560 is not the problem, this runs good every game with my computer specs. Before the installing new copy of windows there was not a such of problem like I have now. Maybe GTX uses defeault settings for games? The graphics card is actualy GTX 560 ASUS OC ( OVERCLOCK ) DC II - GDDR5 with ASUS M5A97 PRO Motherboard.

I see from Speccy right now the performance levels:

Level 1 -
Current GPU Clock 50 MHz
Current Memory Clock 135 MHz
Current Shader Clock 101 MHz

Level 2 -
GPU Clock 405 MHz
Memory Clock 324 MHz
Shader Clock 810 MHz

Level 3 -
Current GPU Clock 850 MHz
Current Memory Clock 2100 MHz
Current Shader Clock 1700 MHz

Processor is using 4 cores while gaming, I have 960t version so I can unlock 2 addional cores for processor. I used it but I don't want to ruin my processor or something else.

http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/ENGTX560_DCII_OC2DI1GD5/ - LINK FOR GRAPHICS CARD WITH ADDIONAL INFORMATION.
 
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NEWS: Battlefield 4 Multiplayer & Singleplayer runs beautyiful with ULTRA SETTINGS + antialiasing ON.

What i did? Everyone who uses M5A97 PRO Motherboard should restart computer, press DEL putton to enter BIOS. There are 3 options to choose on, Power Saving, Normal, High - go ahead, use the latest one the high. | There may be few problems more - Everyone who complains that RAM speed shows 668 mhz and actualy got 1600 mhz speed RAM. Go and enter BIOS, Advanced Options and change the RAM speed manual to 1600 mhz.

THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO ANSWERED ME AND TRIED TO HELP ME !
 
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Glad to hear you're up and running, foodrichie :)



You're right. Your single experience trumps dozens of professional sites that do rigorous, standardized, repeated and repeatable tests.

Personal experience is a poor substitute for evidence.

 
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