Please end the constant controversy. H100i W/ 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoons worth it VS high end Air?

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I'm tired of seeing soo much controversy over the entire closed loop vs Air cooler debate.

I have the original H80 on me right now and also a couple NZXT Respire T40, I'm curious if it would be worth swapping them out? I've got other fans to add to that T40.

But, furthermore I am curious if it is truly worth Spending another $100 on the 4 Scythe fans to pair with the H100i. What performance gains truly am I getting?
Is this loop honestly worth it yet? I've read constant debate about it.
So, I'm looking for real world performance benchmarks or experience proof too back up what's said here. Not just what you read on the internet, because I've read it all and it's just one giant damn circle.

I read the liquid cooling thread and it stated replacing the fans with these all in ones. So, Too repeat it. Is it worth having a H100i with 4 Scythe Gentle Typhoon? or based on price performance would I be better off going with the NB-E or other renowned Air cooler?

I enjoy the idea of having liquid cooling, but it's honestly irrelevant to me. I just want to be able to OC to 4.5-5GHz easily now and with future builds.
I plan to do a full true LC loop down the road, but first I'm doing the GPU(s) and doing something separate for the cpu.


Edit: Or with fans like these..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181040

I'm not too worried about noise, I've dealt with the H80 whirring noise for 3 years now and I've gotten used too it. My sound system blocks it out anyways :p
Perhaps even mix and match? 2 of each? High Performance for Push, Scythe for Pull?
 
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Yeah, trying to sort through the Air versus Water debate is almost as bad as AMD versus Intel.

If you're looking for raw, absolute thermal performance, it will not be worth the bang-for-the-buck to invest in additional replacement fans for a Corsair H100i. Gains spent for your money will be highly diminishing, and you will be hard-pressed to find fans that perform better than the stock fans. Corsair SP120 Performance Editions are just toned down versions of the stock fans, so buying them would be a waste.

The biggest gains for buying additional replacement fans will be in the realm of acoustics; if you want acceptable performance without having to deal with incessant background noise, it very well could be worth it.

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Most dedicated water coolers wouldn't use either.

End results depend on what your intentions are?

What CPU you're cooling with your overclocking intentions as it's different between AMD and Intel.

Also what load temperatures will you be expecting?

There's a big difference between settling for what you end up with, or being 100% pleased with the end cooling results!

 
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I'll be picking up a Broadwell i7 as soon as it's released. Can't determine temps for them I'd think. So, I'd base it off of current i7 too give an idea.
I want to overclock to 5ghz as a goal, but at least 4.5ghz as a minimum.
Edit: forgot too add this part. I'd like to keep generic temperatures under 40c (web browsing, movies etc.), and load no higher than 65c at above frequencies.

As far as that fan suggestion goes, that looks too me like a case fan not a rad fan. Thought Rad fans had wider fins. Either way I went with the recommendations from the Liquid cooling guide here.
 
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It is a case fan and so is every fan you're looking at, but it is the high end of that Slip Stream series of case fan, that's why I recommended it to you because it does the job and is a cheaper alternative, I thought you were after know good possibilities, instead of assumptions, I don't suggest things here that don't work!

I'm not too worried about noise, I've dealt with the H80 whirring noise for 3 years now and I've gotten used too it. My sound system blocks it out anyways :p
Perhaps even mix and match? 2 of each? High Performance for Push, Scythe for Pull?
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Those H80 fans you've been enduring are a joke, :lol: you want high static pressure, well jump on these bad boys!

But buy yourself some ear plugs while you're at it and forget gaming, because your speaker system will not drown these out!

http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...duct_info&cPath=36_1130_403&products_id=24415

Extreme high static pressure cooling fans are also extremely loud, too loud for long term noise exposure sitting in the same room as the computer, that's why they are usually the server choice because they usually are installed inside of a closet, or server room, not in the same room, you're trying to work in.

I'm looking for real world performance benchmarks or experience proof too back up what's said here. Not just what you read on the internet, because I've read it all and it's just one giant damn circle.
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So you've read it all, and think you know it all, does that include my peltier cooling thread?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/282844-29-peltier-water-cooling

Reality is to the right with my CPU-Z validation that I run 24/7, click on the banner and note the generic temperature for a 5ghz (Not Delidded), 3770K overclock.



 
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I'm talking about reading majority of the details about the closed loop and air cooler debate not cooling general in general. My goal here was too determine what to do solely for the cpu while I have a real Water loop for the GPU(s). I'm not worried about "uber cool" temps, 30c would be a perfect idle and I usually see around 30c initially, until I turn my cooler down to level 2 for less noise. I don't think I know it all, I think I'm tired of seeing the same things repeated about specifically CLOSED loop liquid coolers (H100i) and high end air coolers performance battle and value points. Seem to be getting off of the primary subject I had here so..

So, now I'll ask with those suggested fans, does it make the H100i a realistic purchase per performance? Or would I perhaps be even better off throwing those fans on a high end air cooler?
If air cooling, what would be recommended. I've read many different sites and forum posts suggesting the
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Silver-Extreme-Universal-Heatsink/dp/B009ARE2YE
as one of the "best" air coolers, performing better than the H100i though is in question?

Edit: How accurate is this website? http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

I have actually considered doing some kind of setup that would allow me to have my system in a closet like room, or build some kind of closet, like you see from trailers, well I think "pop-ups" you can remove the closests from them, they're big enough and surely with the right adjustments I can turn one into a good home for a "loud" computer. But, that is a project for another day. I added the fan you recommended to my list.

I read the one fan has around 60 dBA, funny cause I'm pretty sure this H80 is close to 50s and I could imagine how annoying even 5 high would be.
 
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Yeah, trying to sort through the Air versus Water debate is almost as bad as AMD versus Intel.

If you're looking for raw, absolute thermal performance, it will not be worth the bang-for-the-buck to invest in additional replacement fans for a Corsair H100i. Gains spent for your money will be highly diminishing, and you will be hard-pressed to find fans that perform better than the stock fans. Corsair SP120 Performance Editions are just toned down versions of the stock fans, so buying them would be a waste.

The biggest gains for buying additional replacement fans will be in the realm of acoustics; if you want acceptable performance without having to deal with incessant background noise, it very well could be worth it.

Here is an interesting site with a lot of related information: http://martinsliquidlab.org/

Trusting any single source is problematic, especially since there is such varying results. Take round-ups with a spoon of salt, but see if you can find similarities.
 
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Well, considering I just replaced my H80 with the NZXT T40 Respire, and I did add a fan from the H80 to this as the pull fan. The temps are pretty much exactly the same. The noise is also far less. It seems the pump on these All-in-ones is also very noisy, at least the original H80s was; as the fan really doesn't seem as loud, at least one of them on it's own.
So basically for $45 I have the performance I paid almost a hundred for before.
So, I conclude air it is.

I never thought of thinking of Closed loop VS AIR as the intel vs amd. It entirely makes perfect sense though. Both have their own purposes and reasons to purchase.
From what I can see Closed loop has the "liquid cooling" bragging rights, slightly more performance, better for a Lan Party computer (don't have the extra weight pressuring the mobo during travels) etc. While Air are price/performance and "die" better.

Now too dig into finding the "best" air cooler I can, also want something visually pleasing :p.
 
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I doubt you're going to get either cooler to 5ghz honestly short of an expensive custom loop. I meant to comment on this the other day when you posted it but have been occupied.

Have you heard everywhere of people saying how HOT Haswell gets? Imagine broadwell, even hotter. If you want to, h100i with some good fans, I went with 2 cougar vortex. I've heard time and time again that push-pull on the h100i isn't worth it due to the skinny rad.
 
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I read something about the voltage regulator is being moved back to the motherboard for Broadwell as this is suspect for heating issue and lack of overclocking performance.
So, I can imagine broadwell to be much less than Haswell. Either way though, I've an H80 and I did a full 24 hour burn test at 4.8 GHz 1.41v and it stayed around 65 rarely hitting 70c. I removed my H80 and now use the NZXT T40, and it seems about the same for temps.
 
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If your willing to spend $200 on a H100i and four fans, then spend a bit more and get a proper custom loop, especially as it seems you already intend to do so.
A H100i is a dead end in terms of an upgrade path, there's no point investing in one if you already intend to replace it. And if you already have a H80i, your not going to see any big jump in cooling performance anyway.
 
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I did figure after I do the GPU loop, I'll do a separate loop for the CPU, but with a 120 or 140mm rad rather than a big one. Don't really need a big rad for the cpu I don't think, considering the H80 is only 120 and does fine.
But, I'll look further into it later as far as doing 2 separate loops.
 
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