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The build looks good. What all do you plan on using the system for? The CPU is probably overkill for a strictly gaming system, but would come in handy for video editing and other workloads that can take advantage of hyperthreading. There are certainly ways you could save money on the build, but if you're OK with the price then I would pull the trigger. It's a nice system.
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If you're going out like that, I'd recommend the x60 rather than the H100i.
For gaming you don't need 16gb, I'd rather you get 1866 2x4GB CAS#9 or higher freq or lower CAS.
But for the rig I think you'd be better of with a 8320 for 150-take that money and put it into a 780. You'd get alot more FPS.
If you go with a x60, then you'd need a different case to support it.
As for OS, users preference-but you get more FPS in BF4 on Win8-and it's Win7 but faster essentially. Just a bit to learn at first, but it's a nice OS and new games will be optimized towards it. But your choice.
As for your peripherals-also your choice.
I'm running a Tesoro Durandal G1NL Ultimate with Cherry's and a Razer Molten Naga.
For gaming you don't need 16gb, I'd rather you get 1866 2x4GB CAS#9 or higher freq or lower CAS.
But for the rig I think you'd be better of with a 8320 for 150-take that money and put it into a 780. You'd get alot more FPS.
If you go with a x60, then you'd need a different case to support it.
As for OS, users preference-but you get more FPS in BF4 on Win8-and it's Win7 but faster essentially. Just a bit to learn at first, but it's a nice OS and new games will be optimized towards it. But your choice.
As for your peripherals-also your choice.
I'm running a Tesoro Durandal G1NL Ultimate with Cherry's and a Razer Molten Naga.
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An i5 is what you should be getting for gaming, NOT an i7. There is basically no performance difference between the two. just wasted money.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get an i5 and better GPU over an i7. Gaming is 80% GPU and only 20% CPU.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get an i5 and better GPU over an i7. Gaming is 80% GPU and only 20% CPU.
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Thinking an i7 is future proof is not good logic. It will not be any more future proof than an i5. People 4 years ago said games FULLY utilizing hyper-threading was right around the corner. Well here we are and it will still be years before games even can use hyper-threading effectively, let alone for a performance boost. An i5 is ALWAYS the best way to go for gaming. That i7 will be out of date before hyper threading matters in game performance.
If you are trying to futureproof your build, you should be getting a much better GPU than a gtx760. Not wasting the money on an i7 which will not do anything.
If you are trying to futureproof your build, you should be getting a much better GPU than a gtx760. Not wasting the money on an i7 which will not do anything.
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Other comments:
-16gb is pointless and will never be used for gaming. 8gb is more than enough and will be for a long time.
-750w is WAY overkill for this computer. Get an XFX550w unit.
-That keyboard is completely pointless. It isn't even mechanical and costs 2x the price of a decent mechanical board. It isn't even very good quality.
-The liquid cooler will be LOUD and not even cool better than good quality air coolers that will be MUCH quieter. The air coolers also don't cost as much.
-16gb is pointless and will never be used for gaming. 8gb is more than enough and will be for a long time.
-750w is WAY overkill for this computer. Get an XFX550w unit.
-That keyboard is completely pointless. It isn't even mechanical and costs 2x the price of a decent mechanical board. It isn't even very good quality.
-The liquid cooler will be LOUD and not even cool better than good quality air coolers that will be MUCH quieter. The air coolers also don't cost as much.
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Now you're starting to speak your own opinions or not keep up to date. But AIO cool better than air coolers. Not by much, and they're more expensive. Price to performance, and Dba to performance AIO lose. But they DO cool better. And you can always slap on so aftermarket fans-and what is loud to one, may not be loud to another.
As for hyperthreading-i5 4670k does well, but the i7 4770k can pull ~ 10-15fps more. Not worth it in the price difference, but still a boost. And he said he might be video editing. But he won't see that boost with a 760 regardless since his GPU will be the 'bottleneck'.
As for the RAM-it's already been mentioned
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Jake Wenta :
Now you're starting to speak your own opinions or not keep up to date. But AIO cool better than air coolers. Not by much, and they're more expensive. Price to performance, and Dba to performance AIO lose. But they DO cool better. And you can always slap on so aftermarket fans-and what is loud to one, may not be loud to another.
As for hyperthreading-i5 4670k does well, but the i7 4770k can pull ~ 10-15fps more. Not worth it in the price difference, but still a boost. And he said he might be video editing. But he won't see that boost with a 760 regardless since his GPU will be the 'bottleneck'.
As for the RAM-it's already been mentioned
You have to remember that the CPU comparison ONLY has ANY effect when the GPU is NOT the bottleneck. Those tests are usually does with multiple TITANS or 780s. A gtx760 will show ZERO performance difference between the i5 and i7. Even two 760s will show no difference. You have this spot on. What people don't remember is what those benchmark systems use for other hardware.
Also, a Noctua NH-D14 cools THE SAME as an h100i with the best performing fans that are 30dBa testes (not rated). Yes the 100i fans will outperform it by 3-6 degrees MAX BUT it will sound like a leafblower vs. the Noctua which is barely even audible at full tilt. You have to put everything in perspective. An h100i with Deltas? yeah it will outperform anything, but make you go deaf in the process. But an h100i with Corsair SP 120 quiet editions? EXACT same performance as the Noctua. AND you spend $20 extra on the cooler and $30 on fans.
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When I play BF4, on 64-Bit, and with multiple programs open like browsers & 15 tabs, and music players, ...etc. I never went over 6.5GB usage.
And I know, which is why I stated he won't see the performance.
But the hyper threading helps prevent FPS drops.
And the Noctua fans aren't the best-they';re the best for being powerful and virtually noiseless. There are better fans
But I don't think the tests run the fans @100% fans speed with push/pull. I mean with aftermarket fans, push /pull and running at higher RPMs, AIO win. It's that the stock fans are always used for a comparison and the persons level of acceptance is never taken into consideration either.
I personally have the Kraken x60, and it is in oush pull and cools like a charm and it is pretty quiet too, if I crank the fans at 100% it gets loud. But I never need it to go that high, and I use Astro A50's, so I wouldn't be able to hear it
He can also go custom loop, but it is not recommended if he doesn't read up on it.
^He never put on 100% fan speed but rather the software options-and my fans at extreme never go above 55% RPM during Prime Torture (Kraken x60)
And it cools well in quiet mode, but i made a custom RPM/*C setting.
BTW I'm running Push/Pull with the Stock fans-was going to get Noctua's-but cdidn't feel the price was right as DBa doesn't matter too much to me.
And I know, which is why I stated he won't see the performance.
But the hyper threading helps prevent FPS drops.And the Noctua fans aren't the best-they';re the best for being powerful and virtually noiseless. There are better fans
But I don't think the tests run the fans @100% fans speed with push/pull. I mean with aftermarket fans, push /pull and running at higher RPMs, AIO win. It's that the stock fans are always used for a comparison and the persons level of acceptance is never taken into consideration either.
I personally have the Kraken x60, and it is in oush pull and cools like a charm and it is pretty quiet too, if I crank the fans at 100% it gets loud. But I never need it to go that high, and I use Astro A50's, so I wouldn't be able to hear it
He can also go custom loop, but it is not recommended if he doesn't read up on it.
^He never put on 100% fan speed but rather the software options-and my fans at extreme never go above 55% RPM during Prime Torture (Kraken x60)
And it cools well in quiet mode, but i made a custom RPM/*C setting.
BTW I'm running Push/Pull with the Stock fans-was going to get Noctua's-but cdidn't feel the price was right as DBa doesn't matter too much to me.
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The kraken costs $125. That's $45 for noise and 1 degree cooling performance over the NH-D14. I'm sorry, but that does not seem worth it in any capacity at all.
All these tests and everyone saying "you can make a h100i quiet and it still performs well" are making a null point. Why buy an expensive cooler and then buy MORE fans just to lower performance and lower noise? I 100% agree with you that any high end closed loop cooler can be made quiet, but at what cost? At that point you have spent ALOT more money then the NH-D14 and you have really nothing besides "fake" water cooling with after market fans on it to show for it.
All these tests and everyone saying "you can make a h100i quiet and it still performs well" are making a null point. Why buy an expensive cooler and then buy MORE fans just to lower performance and lower noise? I 100% agree with you that any high end closed loop cooler can be made quiet, but at what cost? At that point you have spent ALOT more money then the NH-D14 and you have really nothing besides "fake" water cooling with after market fans on it to show for it.
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You just looked at the pretty picture and didn''t read that he doesn't run the Fans at 100% to see the true cooling performance. Please read the post.
Last post here-back to OP-stop Hijacking this thread.
It is up to you CheefReef what to go with, I think AIO are a nice step to take if looking to throw on a custom loop later on in a new build. -Simple maintenance -and no heavy stress which can crack your motherboard from big Air coolers.
And nice aesthetics.
Pros
Noise-quieter than most Air cooler, your CPU will not be at 100% continuously and the fans don't get loud until higher RPM.
Aesthetics
Warranty from some companies.
Airflow
Cons
Prices
Higher RPM DBa
Noise
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Crack the motherboard? this is where I know you have no basis for anything. I'm sorry, but that NEVER happens. EVER. There have been tests done time and time again. it takes POUNDS of force to even flex the motherboard when it is installed. It is 100% MYTH that air coolers stress the motherboard at all. Sorry.
Also, NO, they are not quieter than air coolers. I'm sorry.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h100i-elc240-seidon-240m-lq320,3380-12.html please read this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nepton-280l-tundra-td02-water3.0-pro-reserator3-max,3607.html and this
The NH-D14 also has a 5 year warranty just like all the water coolers. This is a pointless thing to use as a bargaining pint.
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There have been people that had it happen to them. The rarity of it doesn't make it non-existent. But of course you are so stubborn and naive whom has to also be right?
And I didn't say they were quieter than ALL air coolers.
Please practice your comprehension skills.
As for cracking the motherboard, it relies on the back plate to support the Cooler and relieve the tension by spreading it. A bad backplate will focus in one are and cause it to crack.
Here's an older post where others agree:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/337556-28-weight-cooler
And if you're moving your desktop-a simple 6 inch drop can probably form enough G-force to cause the Cooler to crack the motherboard. But believe what you will-physics are not strong with this one.
And I didn't say they were quieter than ALL air coolers.
Please practice your comprehension skills.
As for cracking the motherboard, it relies on the back plate to support the Cooler and relieve the tension by spreading it. A bad backplate will focus in one are and cause it to crack.
Here's an older post where others agree:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/337556-28-weight-cooler
And if you're moving your desktop-a simple 6 inch drop can probably form enough G-force to cause the Cooler to crack the motherboard. But believe what you will-physics are not strong with this one.
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That thread you posted has a MODERATOR and a GRANDMASTER stating that cracking does not happen even though coolers are very heavy. All that thread does is agree that Closed loop coolers are good for somethings but aren't any better than air coolers.
Sorry MODS, you can feel free to lock this thread.
Sorry MODS, you can feel free to lock this thread.
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This is not true. I am sorry if I offended anyone. All I did was supply facts and evidence not opinions. Ask any MOD or anyone around here with experience and they will say to get an air cooler over a closed loop liquid cooler.
I'm done arguing. Its pointless. Some people don't mind spending more money for a clean looking PC with a noisy water cooler and some people like to save money and get an air cooler that is quiet but doesn't look as nice. It is all personal preference.
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