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January 12, 2014 10:43:41 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Will probably start buying parts this week

Budget Range: $1000 After Rebates with some flexibility. Would love to get under $1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
gaming (right now mostly online, but would likely play more graphic intense games if I had the system for it), internet browsing, some basic office stuff (word/excel)

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, headset, monitor, possibly storage (see parts build), optical drive

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preference

Country:US

Parts Preferences: intel i7 for CPU unless you can convince my wife I will never need an i7. Does need to be intel though. I know most builds I see on here are built with i5, but she feels I should invest in the i7 for more flexibility in the future. Since she is paying for around 80% of this, I figure I can abide.

Overclocking: Before 2 weeks ago, I didn't even know what overclocking was, so likely not.

SLI or Crossfire:
See overclocking

Monitor Resolution: unsure. I can check exact model of monitor when I get back home in a few days. It is a decent monitor I got a few years ago, but it probably isn't anything amazing. Can be upgraded in the future if I find it to be sub-par. It is an LG from a few years ago. Might be 27" and I think 1920 x 1080.

Additional Comments: A few years back (3-4?) I bought an Asus (exact model unknown - G3 series), but it started to blue screen like 1.5-2 years ago. I never got rid of it, so I took it apart just to see what was inside. I figure I can re-use the dvd drive and maybe the storage, but nothing else. The storage is the Seagate 750 GB listed below. What is the likelihood this was the cause of the blue screen issues and not useable in this build? Can replace if needed.


I put this together based on things I have read on this site and customer reviews, but I am not attached to anything. I have limited computer knowledge, so the choices end up feeling a little random once it has been narrowed down a little.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($205.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1061.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 13:02 EST-0500)

The SSD sounds like a cool thing to have and I like the idea of super-quick load times, but maybe I am wasting money here? If it fits into the budget, I would probably like to keep it in there, but I could be convinced to put the money into something else if it was a better investment. Thanks for any feedback!
January 12, 2014 10:48:17 AM

This system will play games great.

And as far as the Asus PC you said has the blue screen. What is the error that is says when it is blue screened?
January 12, 2014 10:56:34 AM

ccky said:
This system will play games great.

And as far as the Asus PC you said has the blue screen. What is the error that is says when it is blue screened?


Honestly I don't know at this point without putting it all back together and trying to fire it up. I haven't tried to turn the thing on in a year. I am mostly just curious as to how likely it is that the root of the problem comes from the storage as opposed to something else in the system. I am prepared to replace it if I set everything up and my new system has the same problem, just looking for a reason to be optomistic :) 
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January 12, 2014 10:58:53 AM

You are making a mistake going with a 4770k and not a 4670k. You can save yourself $150 between the CPU and motherboard and invest it in a better GPU. And since it doesnt sound like you are going to overclock you can save even more by going with locked CPUs and motherboards that cant OC.
January 12, 2014 11:32:52 AM

vrumor said:
You are making a mistake going with a 4770k and not a 4670k. You can save yourself $150 between the CPU and motherboard and invest it in a better GPU. And since it doesnt sound like you are going to overclock you can save even more by going with locked CPUs and motherboards that cant OC.


I was able to convince my wife on the i7/i5, so if I just swapped that out, the build would look like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($205.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ TigerDirect)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $951.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 14:27 EST-0500)

Now that I am under $1000, I would like to stay there if possible. What upgrade would you suggest (GPU under $250 that would be a big improvement over the one I have shown)? Your post also suggested I could save on the mobo if I swapped out the CPU

Also, if there is anything else that can be replaced with something more cost effective, I would love to hear about it.
January 12, 2014 11:54:41 AM

I think it would be wise for you to do a little research and find out for your own knowledge. You have a Z87 motherboard, that is a motherboard that is made to be overclocked. The K CPUs are unlocked and can be pushed past their stock speeds. You chose a locked CPU with a motherboard that can be used to overclock. You pay a premium for that ability. If you dropped down to a B or H motherboard youd save some cash and be able to put it into the GPU. Sometimes its a good idea to pay someone to build a PC for you, for your needs. I try to tell all my customers that information.

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January 12, 2014 12:20:11 PM
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My suggestion:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2AaEg

B85 will be fine, unless you need more ports like SATA ports.
January 12, 2014 12:33:08 PM

Praise_Gaben said:
My suggestion:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2AaEg

B85 will be fine, unless you need more ports like SATA ports.


Thanks. I was looking at the PSU you swapped in also after reading some more on PSUs. Sounds like the one I had might be spotty and it was definitely overkill.

I assume the video card you swapped in would be a noticeable upgrade for the $50 or you wouldn't have suggested it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.99 @ Mwave)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $919.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 15:31 EST-0500)

January 12, 2014 1:24:31 PM

Well i tried the GTX 770 as well but that would result in $1005. And the gtx 760 is not that much better though:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1043?vs=1038

So the best option would probably be to just stick with the r9 270x. There appears to be a huge gap between 200 (R9 270x) and 330 (GTX 770) dollars as far as i can see. If you go with the r9 270x you can sell in in a few months when the GTX 800 series will be released and buy a GTX 860 or GTX 770.
January 12, 2014 2:02:06 PM

Praise_Gaben said:
Well i tried the GTX 770 as well but that would result in $1005. And the gtx 760 is not that much better though:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1043?vs=1038

So the best option would probably be to just stick with the r9 270x. There appears to be a huge gap between 200 (R9 270x) and 330 (GTX 770) dollars as far as i can see. If you go with the r9 270x you can sell in in a few months when the GTX 800 series will be released and buy a GTX 860 or GTX 770.


Thanks. I am torn on this. I can afford to spend $1005 and it sounds like the 770 is pretty commonly recommended. On the flip side, I don't actually own any game that would push the system right now and the 270x seems like a great value from what I have read. I think I may go the route you suggested and sell it to upgrade later (or just add it to my wish list for a future gift). With the system showing at $870 right now it is looking very tempting.

I will see if anybody else has any feedback, but there is a good chance I will go with the suggestions you made and the R9 270x, so it would look like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.99 @ Mwave)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($205.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $870.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 17:01 EST-0500)


January 12, 2014 2:46:19 PM

AxlFone said:
Id look bit better case. This is cheap now but really good quality case.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-bfcgho300kkn...
Bit more trow in and you get really good quality psu.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-ligh...
If you need cpu cooler ths is good.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermalright-cpu-cooler-ma...


That case looks pretty slick. What is the biggest difference between a good and crap case? Other one was shown in a few builds and didn't look bad, so I put it in mine.

At first glance, that PSU looks like it is way overkill for the system. What would the advantage be over what was being shown?

How would I determine if I need additional cooling? I figure I can run it as is and if temp seems like it will be an issue I can add this later.
January 12, 2014 11:46:02 PM

No advantage, except that you have a modular psu.

intel 4670 = 132 watt
gtx 770 = 250 watt

Those are maximum values, so your whole system probably won't draw more than 400/450 watt at its peak with a gtx 770. I would recommend this one instead if you want a modular psu. I just read that the XFX 550 is basically the M12II but non-modular. (Seasonic is considered as the best psu manufacturer, the XFX 550 is seasonic made).

And the difference between a good and a crap case is that a crap case is usually made out of thin weak materials. It doesn't matter that much, but a more expensive case will generally feel a lot better if you have it in your hands/open the side panel. And it will probably be a lot quieter than cheap cases. But in the end it's just personal preference and how much you want to spend on a case.
January 13, 2014 1:11:56 AM

Better case do nave more HDD room and better air flow. You can build more build with better than just one.
I think that bitfenix normal price is over 100$

With better psu same thing you can build 3 or build with one psu. That Rosewill lighyning is best psu with really good ripple and noise levels. And it do have 5 year warranty. + This thing can handle any SLI or CF set too with two cards--or maybe with three cards.
I think seasonic was best psu. Not anymore. Rosewill is better. Look couple reviews of Rosewill PSU's

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTON...

Good cheap option is now if 450w is enough cappstone 450w
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-caps...
January 13, 2014 4:54:35 AM

Thanks again guys. I will look a little closer at the PSU. I need to look and see what advantages there are to modular. Also looking in a little more detail at the case. Still leaning towards the Corsair 300r, but might decide to splurge a little here.

Any thoughts on the Fractal Design R4? It looks like some cases have bays for the 2.5" SSD and others need brackets for mounting to the 3.5" bay. Does this make it easier to build?
January 13, 2014 5:12:22 AM

I have used with older case 3.5" adapter that fits two SSD's and cost is about 5 $ so it is not issue- IMO.
But sure all good new case do have SSD mounts in case.

Fractal R4 is good case. Bit tight for rads but good with air coolers.
Look bitfenix ghost review. Quality is good and it is same level case as Fractal R4. Maybe even better?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Bitfenix/Ghost/4.htm...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Bitfenix/Ghost/6.htm...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6442/bitfenix-ghost-case-...

January 13, 2014 5:59:18 AM

Define R4 is really a good case, in terms of look as well as functionality.

You should really try to go with the GTX 770, even though you may not have any games now you will probably have in the next few months.

I think the Rosewill PSU is not really worth the extra bucks and you should stick with the XFX one.

You maybe able to get away with a 64GB SSD and save few bucks.
January 13, 2014 6:14:19 AM

XFX is not really good psu. Some of them seem to keep weird noise. Coil whine when they are under load.

And gamebou can have he's opinion. He trying to save computer parts by brining then outside usa.
Rosewill did get 2013 reward best psu maker :)  so what is good? I bet that this year super flower gets that:D 
Btw. Super flower and Rosewill psu's are same :D  Just like XFX is made from seasonic leftover parts :D 
Maybe gameboy learns something in future. Maybe in 10 years or so :) 

64GB SSD is good for cashing. Too small for boot drive. .
January 13, 2014 7:08:38 AM

OK. I think I am almost there. I am pretty sure I want to go with the R4. The BitFenix case is close, but I am a little concerned about some of the comments about the space between the mobo and the side panel not being large enough. I think I am going to have issues with organizing the cables anyway and I don't want to be cramming a side panel on.

I think I am going to be tweaking the psu. The 800 lightning seems a bit much. Maybe a good recommendation in the 650-750 range? Semi-modular would be cool if reasonably priced, because I do feel that cable management will test my patience.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($88.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($205.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($112.14 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $916.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-13 09:55 EST-0500)
January 13, 2014 7:54:25 AM

Do you have any proof to back up the things that you have said about the specific XFX modeled PSU.

Learn some English first, so many typos!!

64gb will be enough as a boot drive, windows installation takes only about 20gb with all the drivers installed. I also mentioned he May get away with a 64gb SSD.

Also, I have much more knowledge and maturity when compared to yourself. :) 
January 13, 2014 8:19:38 AM

When a product sells thousands of units there are bound to be some imperfect products (even apart from electronic), Just beacuse couple PSUs don't work properly doesn't mean all of them are bad.

BTW: None of them were 550W Models :) 
January 13, 2014 10:00:00 AM

Im my cpuntry there is several posts of 550w whining issues.
Nut you guys can not read that so why post them here?
Amd if you look Super Flower returnrates there is under 1% returns. This 1% is one mistake made in factory.
So it is calld monday production batch. So good psu maker keeps up good quality no matter how much powers are sold.
This one mistake they did make was corrected at once.
One store sells XFX 2% are send back. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX...

With super flower this was 1% because of that one mistake in factory. And that is same psu as rosewill.
I kind know this thing :)  You do not.
January 13, 2014 10:45:51 AM

So, back to the original question, what would you recommend in the 650-750w range, semi-modular if reasonably priced?
January 13, 2014 10:57:09 AM

A r9 290 is really worth it and versatile but if you want to stick with nvidia a gtx 780 is a must
January 13, 2014 11:10:20 AM

sagre33 said:
A r9 290 is really worth it and versatile but if you want to stick with nvidia a gtx 780 is a must


whoah now. Making quite a jump there. I am down at an r9 270. Was considering a jump to the gtx 770, but I don't think I am going to do it at this time. I am going to see how everything runs and looks and put it on my future wish list if I feel I could use a little bit more in that department.
January 13, 2014 11:24:01 AM

krenac said:
sagre33 said:
A r9 290 is really worth it and versatile but if you want to stick with nvidia a gtx 780 is a must


whoah now. Making quite a jump there. I am down at an r9 270. Was considering a jump to the gtx 770, but I don't think I am going to do it at this time. I am going to see how everything runs and looks and put it on my future wish list if I feel I could use a little bit more in that department.


This would be my suggestion given your budget: http://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-DisplayPort-PCI-Expres...

There's only one left in stock so you better hurry if you want it. It's a 7870XT, which is just a step down from the 7950/760 series and for this price is great.
January 13, 2014 11:37:03 AM

When looking at graphics cards, are there any manufacturers to avoid? The MSI card I had listed is out of stock everywhere now, would I be happy with the same model from another manufacturer?

@AxlFone - I will take a look at those later. Thanks for the help.
January 13, 2014 4:43:27 PM

Best answer selected by Praise_Gaben. Final build I am going with uses your build with some modifications. Thanks to everybody for the input and helping me make my decisions. Just going to do some more psu research and go from there. Looking forward to building!
January 13, 2014 8:52:28 PM

AxlFone said:
Im my cpuntry there is several posts of 550w whining issues.
Nut you guys can not read that so why post them here?
Amd if you look Super Flower returnrates there is under 1% returns. This 1% is one mistake made in factory.
So it is calld monday production batch. So good psu maker keeps up good quality no matter how much powers are sold.
This one mistake they did make was corrected at once.
One store sells XFX 2% are send back. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX...

With super flower this was 1% because of that one mistake in factory. And that is same psu as rosewill.
I kind know this thing :)  You do not.


There are thousands of stores selling XFX products and just because 0.01% of their stores get 1% return back doesn't mean that they sell bad products. Take the PS4 for example about 25% of units sold by amazon were defective and that doesn't make it a bad product.

I may not necessarily know everything that you know either don't you :) 
January 13, 2014 10:44:44 PM

gameboy1998 said:
AxlFone said:
Im my cpuntry there is several posts of 550w whining issues.
Nut you guys can not read that so why post them here?
Amd if you look Super Flower returnrates there is under 1% returns. This 1% is one mistake made in factory.
So it is calld monday production batch. So good psu maker keeps up good quality no matter how much powers are sold.
This one mistake they did make was corrected at once.
One store sells XFX 2% are send back. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX...

With super flower this was 1% because of that one mistake in factory. And that is same psu as rosewill.
I kind know this thing :)  You do not.


There are thousands of stores selling XFX products and just because 0.01% of their stores get 1% return back doesn't mean that they sell bad products. Take the PS4 for example about 25% of units sold by amazon were defective and that doesn't make it a bad product.

I may not necessarily know everything that you know either don't you :) 

But it is. If you have now better option then I must recommend that :)  Super Flower is sold here as much or more than XFX Bucause it is reliable and better ripple and noise levels. Also because it is gold unit.
450w cappstonne is same level psu as seasonic x and if you look mattes now cappstone is cheaper and better buy.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-caps...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssp4...
Or seasonic g 450 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr4...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss40...

I do not want to know what you know :D  I just want to give OP chance to buy best possible parts :) 
Mow remember I have son and he is older than you. I have played long time with computers. Keep on having our own opinions. I did clearly prove XFX is not as good as rosewll. So you can buy as much xfx as yo u want :) 
See ya in next tread :)  Btw hope you get cheap parts from outside us :)  Nut hey if yhere is Super Flower psus in country that u look parts then buy one. Next psu I buy is 1000w Super Flower.
This one. http://www.super-flower.com.tw/products_detail.php?clas...
My tachyon 750w is going for htpc use. Then I need new psu for my NAS and that is just 450w Super Flower Golden Green.




January 14, 2014 2:06:23 AM

AxlFone said:
gameboy1998 said:
AxlFone said:
Im my cpuntry there is several posts of 550w whining issues.
Nut you guys can not read that so why post them here?
Amd if you look Super Flower returnrates there is under 1% returns. This 1% is one mistake made in factory.
So it is calld monday production batch. So good psu maker keeps up good quality no matter how much powers are sold.
This one mistake they did make was corrected at once.
One store sells XFX 2% are send back. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/550-Watt-XFX...

With super flower this was 1% because of that one mistake in factory. And that is same psu as rosewill.
I kind know this thing :)  You do not.


There are thousands of stores selling XFX products and just because 0.01% of their stores get 1% return back doesn't mean that they sell bad products. Take the PS4 for example about 25% of units sold by amazon were defective and that doesn't make it a bad product.

I may not necessarily know everything that you know either don't you :) 

But it is. If you have now better option then I must recommend that :)  Super Flower is sold here as much or more than XFX Bucause it is reliable and better ripple and noise levels. Also because it is gold unit.
450w cappstonne is same level psu as seasonic x and if you look mattes now cappstone is cheaper and better buy.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-caps...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssp4...
Or seasonic g 450 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr4...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss40...

I do not want to know what you know :D  I just want to give OP chance to buy best possible parts :) 
Mow remember I have son and he is older than you. I have played long time with computers. Keep on having our own opinions. I did clearly prove XFX is not as good as rosewll. So you can buy as much xfx as yo u want :) 
See ya in next tread :)  Btw hope you get cheap parts from outside us :)  Nut hey if yhere is Super Flower psus in country that u look parts then buy one. Next psu I buy is 1000w Super Flower.
This one. http://www.super-flower.com.tw/products_detail.php?clas...
My tachyon 750w is going for htpc use. Then I need new psu for my NAS and that is just 450w Super Flower Golden Green.








Even if you want to know what I know it won't be possible :) .

The Rosewill PSU that you recommended to the OP is twice the cost of the XFX one I mentioned at that time, You are expected to get good quality when you pay that amount :) .

Funny, that you are a father but lack soo.. much of maturity.

"Btw hope you get cheap parts from outside us" - I still didn't get what you said and don't worry we have Seasonic PSUs available in out country.

Nobody asked what PSU you are using not what PSUs are you planning to buy.

BTW: I agree XFX is not as good as Rosewill but then again show me a Rosewill made 550W PSU for 50$ :)  & I hope not to see you in another thread :) 
January 14, 2014 2:18:32 AM

Please fight your pathetic 'battles' somewhere else. This is so stupid.
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