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January 12, 2014 4:40:42 PM

Hello

I'm getting into the video game making field (design, production, etc), and I can't help but feel a little ripped off by Newegg's prices.

Here are my requirements for the PC I want/need.

*Durable
*High-End Gaming
*High storage capacity for moving all our videos to it
*Quality Tested (I've read Intel has better core to core performance)
*Even a little bit power efficient (80+ Platinum PSU)
*Future-proofed (i.e. a super ATX case to be able to expand and upgrade in the future)
*Well cooled (i.e. liquid cooling and excellent GPU integrated cooling)
---I think you get the gist.

Newegg has my parts all added up to $3,604.84

Here are my parts and their respective prices:

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Monitor: ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D Monitor
$279.99

Disc Drive: ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS
$76.99

Keyboard: ROCCAT Ryos MK Glow ROC-12-751-BK Black USB Wired Gaming Illuminated Mechanical Keyboard
$139.99

Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 900D CC-9011022-WW Black Aluminum ATX Super Tower Computer Case
$329.99

Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$319.99

Graphics Card: MSI Radeon R9 290X GAMING 4GB 912-V308-001 512-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$699.99

Power Supply Unit: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified 1000W Active PFC ATX12V v2.31/EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready ECO ...
$219.99

CPU: Intel Core i7-4820K Ivy Bridge-E 3.7GHz (Turbo 3.9GHz) LGA 2011 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80633i74820K
$324.99

OS Mounting Drive: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE1T0BW 2.5" 1TB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$599.00

RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tactical 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model BLT4K4G3D1608ET3LX0
$189.99

Mouse: GAMDIAS APOLLO GMS5101 Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Mouse
$44.99

CPU Liquid Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm
$99.99

Users Folders/Movies Hard Drive: WD BLACK SERIES WD4003FZEX 4TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
$278.95


Any financial help or insight for parts is appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
January 12, 2014 4:47:50 PM

By financial help do you mean wanting people to donate for your outrageous $3,000 build? :p 

If not, what are you asking? different places to buy?
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January 12, 2014 4:49:54 PM

ccky said:
By financial help do you mean wanting people to donate for your outrageous $3,000 build? :p 

If not, what are you asking? different places to buy?


:D  No, I'm not asking for donations. I'm simply asking if this is the best deal I'm going to get as far as price vs quality vs future-proofing.
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January 12, 2014 4:50:38 PM

Whitefire89 said:
ccky said:
By financial help do you mean wanting people to donate for your outrageous $3,000 build? :p 

If not, what are you asking? different places to buy?


:D  No, I'm not asking for donations. I'm simply asking if this is the best deal I'm going to get as far as price vs quality vs future-proofing.


There are multiple things wrong with that build.
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January 12, 2014 4:52:25 PM

There are multiple things wrong with that build. said:
There are multiple things wrong with that build.


What is wrong with it? Forgive me my ignorance. First time PC builder here :) 
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January 12, 2014 5:07:38 PM

Whitefire89 said:
There are multiple things wrong with that build.[/msgquoted said:


What is wrong with it? Forgive me my ignorance. First time PC builder here :) ]There are multiple things wrong with that build.


What is wrong with it? Forgive me my ignorance. First time PC builder here :) 


In order:
Monitor: OK
Disk Drive: do you really need a BR and all the associated crap that goes with it?
Keyboard: $140 for a keyboard? Only if I really, really love it. Have you tried this one?
Case: $330? Ha!
Motherboard: Maybe
GPU: $700? Someone will be along soon to suggest something for 1/2 the price
PSU: 1,000W way overpowered
CPU: i7, maybe
OS mounting drive: 1TB SSD - we shall address this later
RAM: 16GB, OK
Mouse: it's your fingers
CPU Liquid cooling: Why?
Users Folders/Movies Hard drive: WD Black 4TB And here we run into a MAJOR discrepancy

This thing has a 1TB SSD, and a 4TB HDD. Bad design
For a production machine, you should have one drive as a scratch drive. That's all it does. 1 or 2TB. If you want an SSD for that, maybe 256GB.

The 1TB SSD for the OS is simply too much. Half that. And the 4TB drive should be split into a couple other physical drives for scratch purposes.
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January 12, 2014 5:28:28 PM

USAFRet said:
In order:
Monitor: OK
Disk Drive: do you really need a BR and all the associated crap that goes with it?
Keyboard: $140 for a keyboard? Only if I really, really love it. Have you tried this one?
Case: $330? Ha!
Motherboard: Maybe
GPU: $700? Someone will be along soon to suggest something for 1/2 the price
PSU: 1,000W way overpowered
CPU: i7, maybe
OS mounting drive: 1TB SSD - we shall address this later
RAM: 16GB, OK
Mouse: it's your fingers
CPU Liquid cooling: Why?
Users Folders/Movies Hard drive: WD Black 4TB And here we run into a MAJOR discrepancy

This thing has a 1TB SSD, and a 4TB HDD. Bad design
For a production machine, you should have one drive as a scratch drive. That's all it does. 1 or 2TB. If you want an SSD for that, maybe 256GB.

The 1TB SSD for the OS is simply too much. Half that. And the 4TB drive should be split into a couple other physical drives for scratch purposes.


I appreciate the quick response. I was thinking I'd use the SSD not only for AN OS but for Win/Mac/Lin triple boot. Perhaps break the barrier for game OS compatibility? I also wanted to put some main programs on the SSD that I would use almost always. I do suppose 1 TB is overkill. More than anything the thought process was "too much is better than not enough".

I had chosen the BD drive for possibly making hi-def games. Not to mention this is going to be the only computer in the house.

Liquid cooling I've heard is better performing than just fans.

The reason I chose the PSU I did was because I read that if you get a PSU double the amount of wattage required to run the computer, it will run at around 90% efficiency.

Should I choose a smaller case, even if I'm looking to future-proof and/or add-on if I need to?

I've read that Intel has better core to core performance,which is why I chose the CPU I did. It was the highest core frequency I could find with the most cores.

Also, I'm not surprised about the GPU :lol: 
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January 12, 2014 5:31:01 PM

random newbie's thoughts:

1 - USAFRnet's avatar is a reasonable representation of his and others' reaction to your build
2 - agree on the keyboard, really half price would be more than enough unless you really love how that one feels
3 - ditto on the case
4 - OS on a 1T? are you insane? 64-128G for OS would be plenty.
5 - RAM, ok or go more and use a ramdisk
6 - scratch, use another cheap SSD or ramdisk
7 - a 4T Black is kinda high, and only one drive. maybe some Blue using onboard RAID, or just Blue
8 - is LGA2011 really that huge of a benefit for only one GPU?

no such thing as future-proofing here. just about everything you list will be stale or even obsolete in 5 years, no matter what. if it wasn't, you wouldn't have LGA2011 available in the first place, you'd have 486DX still going strong. 486 died. technology moves forward. LGA2011 will die.
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January 12, 2014 5:34:55 PM

You can cut that down in half easily:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($173.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vector 150 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($130.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($689.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 (Gunmetal) ATX Full Tower Case ($167.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($163.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($24.29 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2121.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 20:30 EST-0500)

- X79 isn't necessary, went with Z87 instead
- 1TB SSD is flat out completely unnecessary, and your storage configuration is mega overkill
- Dropped the $300 case and the 4TB hard drive
- Better liquid cooler (H100i is incredibly overrated)
- No need for BD-R as everything is moving toward digital distribution
- Better keyboard: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73954&vpn=GK%2DOSMIUM%...
- Radeon R9 290X has lots of issues related to performance and heat, GTX 780Ti is much better
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January 12, 2014 5:43:51 PM

Question: What are you using now for a "video game making PC" ?
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January 12, 2014 5:57:41 PM

USAFRet said:
Question: What are you using now for a "video game making PC" ?


Not really a game making PC. I'm using more of an everyday use laptop: Compaq Presario CQ50-140US. It's quite old.
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January 12, 2014 6:15:17 PM

g-unit1111 said:
You can cut that down in half easily:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($173.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vector 150 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($130.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($689.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 (Gunmetal) ATX Full Tower Case ($167.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($163.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($24.29 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2121.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-12 20:30 EST-0500)

- X79 isn't necessary, went with Z87 instead
- 1TB SSD is flat out completely unnecessary, and your storage configuration is mega overkill
- Dropped the $300 case and the 4TB hard drive
- Better liquid cooler (H100i is incredibly overrated)
- No need for BD-R as everything is moving toward digital distribution
- Better keyboard: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73954&vpn=GK%2DOSMIUM%...
- Radeon R9 290X has lots of issues related to performance and heat, GTX 780Ti is much better


Thank you so much :)  You have no idea how bad I've been racking my brain :lol: 
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January 12, 2014 6:17:53 PM

Whitefire89 said:
USAFRet said:
Question: What are you using now for a "video game making PC" ?


Not really a game making PC. I'm using more of an everyday use laptop: Compaq Presario CQ50-140US. It's quite old.


The reason I asked that question is...it is hard to spec out a dev platform, without know what you currently have and what doesn't work.

You don't need a $3,600 build for a "video game making PC". Some of the best games, and best software, have been built using the equivalent of Notepad.

Jumping headfirst into an expensive hardware stack, without a good grounding in the software, is simply a waste of money.

What software will you be using on this thing?
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January 12, 2014 6:26:45 PM

USAFRet said:
Whitefire89 said:
USAFRet said:
Question: What are you using now for a "video game making PC" ?


Not really a game making PC. I'm using more of an everyday use laptop: Compaq Presario CQ50-140US. It's quite old.


The reason I asked that question is...it is hard to spec out a dev platform, without know what you currently have and what doesn't work.

You don't need a $3,600 build for a "video game making PC". Some of the best games, and best software, have been built using the equivalent of Notepad.

Jumping headfirst into an expensive hardware stack, without a good grounding in the software, is simply a waste of money.

What software will you be using on this thing?


That's a very good question and I completely understand what you're trying to convey here. I suppose the biggest resource software I'll be using is a 3D modeler of sorts for world making and character forming. I have yet to review all thats available as of now. I also want to be able to run the software necessary to go to college for this sort of thing.

As a side note, I want to be able to play games on this thing too and use it as a movie server for our house. So multi-tasking and power for gaming is something I'm looking for.
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January 12, 2014 6:30:36 PM

Whitefire89 said:

Thank you so much :)  You have no idea how bad I've been racking my brain :lol: 


Sure! That's what we're here for.

I generally don't suggest peripherals or monitors because those things are personal preference (especially since most designers are particularly picky about displays) but I've found that keyboard is one of the best around, and I've tried tons of different mice to varying degrees of success.
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April 7, 2014 3:02:02 AM

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