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January 12, 2014 11:12:45 PM

hi,
Right now I have a nvidia fx 5200 video card in my computer and thats AGP. My computer is a dell precision workstation 650. It has 2 zeon processors 3.0 each and 2 gig of ram. I have a online game that I play but its very pixel-ed. I want to get a better Video card, BUT i'm not sure what to get? I think my computer has 2 PCI-E slots or do I just get a 512 Agp card since i have 256 now? Can somebody suggest the best card? im going to buy from ebay so im going look for the cheapest.
thanks
Marshall

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January 12, 2014 11:25:48 PM

hmmm, i doubt they are PCI-e slots, probably just regular PCI slots. to be honest, it probably wouldnt be worthwhile spending a cent on your pc... rather save the money, and get something a bit newer later on. The biggest problem would be finding an AGP card these days, if you can find a cheap one second hand, like an hd4670 or nvidia 7000 series with 1gb of memeory you may see an improvement, but unfortunately its a bit like putting lipstick on a pig...
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January 13, 2014 12:49:17 AM

just rip my heart out as I thought my computer was na oldie but a goodie. It will do everything I need other than my video on the game I play online. Now lets say its the end of computers and the only thing left is my computer and the world sees everything threw my computer,,,than what? lol,,,but really any suggestions on video cards that will work in it?
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January 13, 2014 1:27:48 AM

aaah sorry man lol, i didnt mean to... if its any consolation it WAS a very good pc! well either of those cards i mentioned should be a lot more powerful try find a second hand one on ebay, or your local gumtree
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January 13, 2014 1:38:09 AM

Looks like it only has AGP. The HD 4670 is the best AGP card apparently, so you might buy that one. The fx-5200 only has 7 points on videocardbenchmark.net, the hd 4670 (probably the pci-e version) has 500 points. I used to have a pc with the X1950 PRO, which has 100 points. So i think those cards will definitely be an improvement over the fx-5200, but in today's terms all those cards are trash haha.
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January 13, 2014 2:04:38 AM

so do i leave agp and get pci? i seen this on ebay ATI Radeon HD 4650 Graphics Card 1GB DDR2 VGA / DVI / HDMI would this work in my computer?
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January 13, 2014 3:39:09 AM

you would only be able to use an ancient graphics card in those pci slots like a riva tnt or a voodoo 2 or something! the 4650 would be an improvment but see if you can get a 4670, should be cheap!
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a c 191 U Graphics card
January 13, 2014 4:28:59 AM

@ Marshall Marshall: Most likely a HD4650 would fit and work and it's one of the few half decent AGP cards still available.
A few points:
Stick with AGP, PCI cards a far slower.
Driver support will be legacy only and there will be no updates available once you locate the newest for your card/OS on the AMD website.
It will be very important to fully uninstall the existing Nvidia drivers, that includes manually sweeping through the system and deleting any files or folders the uninstall leaves behind, not doing this was a constant source of problems with older systems.
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January 13, 2014 4:15:45 PM

have a card now. It s a HIS iceq3 X1650 pro 512mb from what i read its good for agp but no 8-pin power connector,,looking around im not sure what to use or if a 6-pin will work?
thanks
Marshall
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a c 191 U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 4:00:16 AM

I'm a little confused, AFAIK that type of card either used a single 4 pin Molex or a floppy connector, please check here and verify which power leads the card requires: http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors....
Either way the installed power supply should have enough spare leads to power the card.
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January 14, 2014 9:53:23 AM

wow you really on top of this. Sorry I posted the wrong model, I did not know at the time but I went to His website and seen they sell the 6+2 connection but in this video he said a 6 pin will work. Im pretty sure this is what I have http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9aDiyghaeQ mine has 8-pins and looks just like it and 512mb and is AGP this video says uses a 6 pin pci express
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 10:09:01 AM

The major problem you have presently is that the 5200 card wasnt for games. If you can replace it with something like a 6600 gt or 6800gt it will play older games at 768 x 1020 resolution.
The second number of a card represents its gaming position, so a 52 is just a video adapter.
It should make a massive difference, but dont spend silly money on one,performance will be similar with the
6600, 6800, 7600, 7800, because your system will probably run games on only one cpu at a time.
The only dx10 card made was the hd3850, but they fetch a fortune.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 10:13:52 AM

OOps, the 4670 too.
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January 14, 2014 10:20:00 AM

chrisso said:
The major problem you have presently is that the 5200 card wasnt for games. If you can replace it with something like a 6600 gt or 6800gt it will play older games at 768 x 1020 resolution.
The second number of a card represents its gaming position, so a 52 is just a video adapter.
It should make a massive difference, but dont spend silly money on one,performance will be similar with the
6600, 6800, 7600, 7800, because your system will probably run games on only one cpu at a time.
The only dx10 card made was the hd3850, but they fetch a fortune.


i paid 15 bucks for this card
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a c 191 U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 10:35:18 AM

Ah! With you now.
Yes, some of the very last AGP cards did use PCI-E power plugs, something time had erased from my alcohol corroded memory. ;) 
What there should be in the box is one of those 'Y' converters-2 white 4 pin to one 8 pin PCI-E-if it's present just connect the two white 4 pin plugs to two spare 4 pin from the power supply and pop the 8 pin into the graphics card. If it's absent you'll probably find one at your local computer store.
Not sure on the 6 pin issue, modern cards will not run unless the right plugs are inserted but one commentator on the Youtube video says it'll run but you need the 8 pin to overclock-so don't overclock and it'll probably be fine.
BTW, that's a big card, have you tried to insert it yet?
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 10:39:55 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

If you look at this chart, you will see it is 5 tiers up from what you had, and one above a 6600 gt nvidia card, Its not the best, but there isnt much left that works. I am sure it will be fine for your use. I guess it will play half life 2 ok, if you turn off AA. The 6600 gt did. Whatever, you will notice a vast improvement.
$15 its fun money to improve old gear like that. Thankfully it seems you have at least 46owatt power supply.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2014 10:45:59 AM

If you get any driver crashes after installing it you might have to come back to us with you o/s specs.
Swapping from nvid to ati can give probs.
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January 14, 2014 5:20:50 PM

i love it i tried the 6-pin and it works,,,this is 10 times faster than my old card. I tried my game and its too sweet,,,thanks everyone for your replies
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a c 191 U Graphics card
January 15, 2014 2:29:36 AM

Glad to hear the new card is working.
Enjoy.
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January 15, 2014 11:07:48 PM

i do have a question. I feel my computer is slow and I am wondering if it matter where i connected the video card? What I did was connect the video card on the same leg that my hard drive is connected too. I'm talking about the power supply line. Do that matter if video card and hard drive on same leg?

Also before on windows experience I had a 2.6 rating now I have 7 on graphics and 7 on game graphics,,,,I think its great
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a c 191 U Graphics card
January 16, 2014 2:51:30 AM

It may make a difference, the card COULD be pulling enough power off that line to starve the HDD of power, so if possible, try connecting to another power supply line (I used to use one for the drives and one for the card when I had an AGP setup).
There is plenty of guides on how to tune a system-try Googling phrases like 'PC tuneup' and 'hard drive maintenance' to start, in the meantime a few tips (you probably already know) ;) 

Go through the system and uninstall any legacy software you're not using then manually run through the system and delete any files/folders the uninstall has left behind.
Do the same for documents, backing up to either CD/DVD or a flash drive as required.
If you have any files or folders on the desktop they should be moved into the HDD directories proper, items on the desktop are treated as system files and load along with Windows on startup, worse, Windows scans them constantly to check their integrity-a double performance hit.
Depending on you OS Start>My Computer>Right click on the 'C' drive then click 'properties' then 'general' tabs in the dialogue boxes that appear. Use the disc cleanup option to clean out some of the crud.
Grab a copy of Ccleaner and install it. This is a great little freebie and you should run it regularly to keep the Temp and Cache folders clear of unwanted internet crud-it has other tricks like a Registry cleanup as well as secure deletion options.
If you've done the above the HDD should now be fairly clear of unwanted stuff, so now Start>My Computer>Right click on 'C', then 'Properties' then 'tools' run the tests then the defragmenter. Be advised, it can take hours to defragment a large, old drive!
The final trick is the most obvious: Keep the number of open programs/documents to a minimum, it's less of a problem with these modern HAL 9000s we're using but older systems have more limited resources which need to be used with a little more care.

The alternative is to backup your data to CD/DVD then format the HDD and reinstall everything. It's a draconian option but has the advantage of giving you a clean and totally pristine system.
If you take this option you should place an antivirus program on a bootable disc and disconnect the system from the 'net until you have installed both it and Windows-until Windows finishes updating itself the system will be extremely vulnerable so a little extra protection is a good idea.
Expect a long, long update period, the last time I did this with Win 7 it took 3 days for the updates to stop coming!
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