Bad ram causing freezing with no BSOD?

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Okay guys so before I get into explaining my problem I feel I need to add a little context. So, every time I build a new computer I don't really "build" a completely new rig, I salvage old parts from previous rigs that aren't needed to be upgraded and move them to the new system, slowly upgrading parts over time until all of the old parts a replaced. Okay, so that said, several years ago I bought an OEM Asus refurbished desktop because I didn't have the time to put into building a new rig at that time in my life and my laptop I was using at the time had died so I needed to do something fast. After about six months of using it, though, I realized that it had a problem: the RAM. I found that if I ran my computer for more than 24 hours continuously without shutting it down it would blue screen and tell me it was because of "memory_management". I also found this would also sometimes happen under heavy ram intensive workloads like video editing and rendering. Well, since it was refurbed it was out of warranty by this point and I found that the issue wasn't really too big of a problem if I shut down my PC nightly (plus I couldn't afford new RAM) so I just went on using this ram regardless (btw this RAM was a 4x2GB 1333 Apacer kit). So a few years and numerous parts upgrades happened until the only two parts remaining in my system from that Asus OEM PC was my RAM and my DVD burner, everything else had been replaced. Over time though, the RAM issue persisted but never got much worse until about 5 months ago when the RAM BSOD's began to happen somewhat more frequently. Things weren't too much worse but the issue was becoming more of a problem so that I could at least notice the change. Now we'll fast forward to about a month ago and my RAM issues REALLY started to get bad. I would get the BSOD's at least a couple times a week and often regardless of whether I had shut down my system the previous night. At this point I knew that I could not put off buying new RAM any longer, and despite my reluctance because of the almost doubling in RAM prices due to that megafab fire a couple months ago, I decided that my first paycheck after the holidays would go to buying a new kit of RAM. Well, over the past two weeks my RAM issues got really bad. I was getting loads of Blue Screen's all over the place and now my computer was starting to freeze without giving any blue screen's at all sometimes. This started happening whenever I would go to render a video ( I do quite a bit of video rendering and therefore put quite a bit of stress on my system). My video would be rendering and then randomly in the process my computer would just freeze, no bluescreen, no nothing. AT this point it was getting very difficult to ignore the issue at hand but I wanted to make sure that I ruled out all possibilities. I did a fresh (clean format) install of windows (upgrade from Win7 64 to Win8.1 64), cleaned and dusted my radiator and components thoroughly, applied new thermal paste to CPU block, and yet the problem still persisted (and got worse). Well, over the past week as I neared my payday, the issue really got bad. Even attempting to render a video was completely out of the question at this point, my computer would freeze/hang and blue screen completely randomly all the time, until it got to the point where after getting to my desktop for 15 seconds the computer would freeze. At this point I decided to not even try to power on my computer anymore (seeing as it froze on the Windows 8 logo before it even got to the logon screen), and ordered a kit of Kingston Blu 2x4GB 1600Mhz RAM via Amazon Prime so it would get here as soon as possible. It showed up today and I eagerly slapped it in my rig (after removing the previous Apacer death sticks) and tried to boot my PC. The first time I booted it, it just stayed on a black screen for about 10 minutes until I decided to reboot and try again. The second time I got the Windows 8 logo and that spinning ball you get while it boots, which I thought was a good sign, but it just did this for 15 minutes without going anywhere so I shut it down and tried again. I tried once more and got the black screen again so I decided to boot into my UEFI and check to see if my RAM timings were set correctly and everything looked okay. Ram recognized? Check. Timings correct? Check. HDD's recognized? Check. Okay so I tried booting once more and this time I actually got to the logon screen. I typed in my password, hit the enter button, it started loading for about 5 seconds and then just... froze again.

So, this leads us to my main question. I am an enthusiast and know quite a bit about computers but realize in relative terms my breadth of knowledge is quite modest so I could be wrong, but it seems to me that my issue is probably that my bad memory has caused disk errors on my C: drive. I do have all of my stuff backed up and CAN do another wipe and reinstall if necessary, but that would be very inconvenient seeing as I have a lot of random software and shit to install. So, my question to you is what is my next course of action and is my theory that there is disk corruption correct? I please ask that if I am wrong you tell me as I would love to get this issue worked out. I will provide my specs below and I hope to get this figured out as soon as possible.

Thanks in advance
-Julian
julianlicht@gmail.com

◦FX-8350 @ 4.0Ghz
◦ASrock 970 Extreme4
◦Corsair H60 CPU cooler (stock fan)
◦2x4GB Kingston Blu 1600Mhz CL9 (new kit)
◦Gigabyte Windforce 7950 @ 1000/1250
◦1TB 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda 3.5" HDD
◦500GB 7200RPM Western Digital Caviar Blue 3.5" HDD
◦Antec Neo Eco 620w 80+ Bronze PSU
◦AverMedia Live Gamer HD (internal HDMI capture card)
◦Asus 24x DVD-R/W Optical Drive
◦NZXT Tempest 410 Elite
◦Cooler Master CM Storm Quickfire Pro Mechanical Keyboard (MX Brown)
◦Corsair M60 Mouse
◦E-Machines e230H 23" 1080p Monitor (rebranded Acer)
◦Dell 15" Old POS VGA Monitor
◦M-Audio Producer USB Condenser Mic
◦Logitech 2.1 Stereo Speakers
 
Solution
Start off by raising DRAM voltage + 0.05, and CPU/NB voltage + 0.1, that may well stabilize, then try running CHKDSK /R from the command prompt as Administrator, to clear errors on the HD when don run SFC /SCANNOW to ensure Windows files are good

Tradesman1

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Start off by raising DRAM voltage + 0.05, and CPU/NB voltage + 0.1, that may well stabilize, then try running CHKDSK /R from the command prompt as Administrator, to clear errors on the HD when don run SFC /SCANNOW to ensure Windows files are good
 
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jmasta111

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Okay so I should mention that I have been talking with a couple gentlemen over in the Linustechtips forum about this issue as well and want to update you what I have found (here's that thread by the way)

I have already cleared my CMOS and CPU/NB and DRAM voltages, and still had the crashing issue. To rule out the possibility of the bad RAM causing disk errors, I ran disk check from my Windows 8.1 thumbstick (because I could not get into windows), but to my chagrin found that the disk check froze at Stage 5 after finding no errors in the previous stages (meaning that disk errors being caused by the RAM is ruled out seeing as it froze even when running from the bootable thumb stick).

Honestly guys I am starting to run out of ideas here. I've gone through two sets of RAM, two installs of windows, and done the testing that has been recommended. What does this mean and what is the next step to figuring out what the issue is?
 

jmasta111

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I'm thinking maybe at this point it means it is the motherboard? Or maybe the graphics card? I don't know if the graphics card would continue to keep an image on screen if that were the issue, and I don't think it is because when I was in windows and I would be watching a YouTube video or something the sound would stop too.

Maybe it's my PSU? I cleaned my rig of dust (focusing on radiator and GPU mostly) the other day but cleaned the whole thing relatively well. I know I at least did a few sprays into the PSU fan and it doesn't look like it's clogged up with dust but I guess I could try dusting that off.

I really just don't know guys i'm kinda just grasping at straws here at this point :s