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January 14, 2014 12:29:11 PM

Which gpu is compatible to crossfire with this apu?

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January 14, 2014 12:31:29 PM

Probably the upper end amd cards...we don't really know yet because this product has only just been revealed...not even released yet

(guessing anywhere from the 7850-7950)
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January 14, 2014 12:33:01 PM

Crossfireing with a apu is completely pointless higher frames are acheived with an fx cpu and the same single gpu then crossfireing a gpu with an apu. Dont waste your money if thats what you're thinking of doing
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January 14, 2014 12:33:57 PM

The apu market is a big market at the moment, and seems to be what amd is moving towards.. no need to put down the technology
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January 14, 2014 12:37:41 PM

He's just stating the truth. An APU will not yield the same performance as a dedicated CPU and GPU.
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January 14, 2014 12:42:04 PM

comparing the specs of the graphics processing on the 7850k, it has the same core config as a HD7750 (512:32:16), so I'm guessing that's what it's most compatible with, judging by that, the Kaveri APUs in general will be able to crossfire/dual graphics with AMD's Cape Verde GPUs which include: 7730, 7750, and 7770 GHz edition

but since the specifications of the APU say it uses an R7 series iGPU, I assume it can be crossfire'd with the Bonaire GPUs too: 7790, R7 260, and R7 260x, this is all speculation, no one has tested the dual graphics functionality yet (to my knowledge at least)

Edit: The truth is that an APU will not perform on the same level as dCPU and dGPUs, however, whether or not APUs + dGPU crossfire is a waste of money is up to the user. Perhaps OP likes the direction of the APUs, and how the market is moving/responding. HSA and hUMA is something that won't be on traditional dCPU and dGPU set ups for a while (if ever), and if OP thinks these will be important to him in the future then more power to him.
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January 14, 2014 12:54:59 PM

Yeah but if the goal is over all preformance then buying and apu to crossfire with a dGPu is a waste of money and wont yeild nearly as good of results as a dCPU and dGPu
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January 14, 2014 1:00:42 PM

Only R7 ddr3 based graphic cards, at this moment R7 240 and R7 250.. ;] Rest will work as normal discrete/separate gpu..
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January 16, 2014 4:44:07 AM

firo40 said:
Yeah but if the goal is over all preformance then buying and apu to crossfire with a dGPu is a waste of money and wont yeild nearly as good of results as a dCPU and dGPu


he may already have a graphics card like the hd7770 or hd7750 e.t.c so he may be looking to see if this is a worthwhile upgrade. if its possible to crossfire then for me it might be worth it as i currently have a hd7770.

as long as he looks out both options of dedicated and non dedicated and does his research, then its fine if he finds this is what is good for him.
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January 16, 2014 4:58:45 AM

R7 240 or R7 250(DDR5/DDR3) That's what an AMD official said,But There is a Youtube Video with R9 290x Hybrid Crossfire

We will have To wait for a little long more to get more Details

Dont Forget That There are many Youtube Videos with 6850k+7750 Hybrid Crossfire,Though officially Crossfire is not supported
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January 16, 2014 5:24:53 AM

Ok, I'm no computer expert but I would like to say that I commonly see people say if gaming is a the priority then a discrete cpu and gpu are the best way to go, often downplaying apus.

When you people say this, its like completely ignoring the question.

Ofcourse, spending a load of money on a top cpu and top graphics card is the best way to go but the majority of people don't spend insane amounts on a gaming rig.

I understand a lot of you here do because you are computer enthusiasts but you are not the majority but the minority.

The majority of people are looking for a decent gaming rig able to play modern games on high settings but at great value for money.

Value for money is the primary concern for people like me, the rig doesn't need to cost 2000 dollars and be able to play all games at 60 fps at 1080p on ultra high detail settings.

Apus are far more useful for the majority who want a decent rig at great value which is where an APU with Dual Graphics comes in.
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January 16, 2014 5:30:46 AM

Besides, an AMD A10 7850k and Radeon R7 250 with dual Graphics enabled with 8 2400 MHz ram with a sniper motherboard and 1tb HDD will cost about 500 pounds for the base unit and is capable of playing modern games at high detail at 1080p at 60fps anyway from what I have seen.

Isn't that more than good enough for most people? Its more than good enough for me and a hell of a lot cheaper than an Intel i5 with Nvidia GTx 660 combo which wont even perform as well for gaming according to all the reviews I have been reading.
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January 16, 2014 5:33:01 AM

Dreamerman btw, I saw an update on the Dual graphics thing btw and although the spokesman did say it would work with The R7 250 and 240, he also said it would work with both DDr3 and DDr 5 variants and that it actually made no difference.
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January 16, 2014 5:35:46 AM

Btw, if I sound like a complete idiot for anything I have said, don't go mental at me. I'm not a computer expert but I am tired of people jumping on the Intel bandwagon for gaming and going anti APU.

Lots of people like gaming, even those that don't want to spend 750 or 1000 pounds on a base unit.

The average gamer will spend a lot less than that.
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January 16, 2014 6:06:06 AM

I have a discrete cpu and card, but I am just curious. The reason I asked the question...didn't want opinions, wanted a technical answer.

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January 16, 2014 9:36:31 AM

joho5 said:
I have a discrete cpu and card, but I am just curious. The reason I asked the question...didn't want opinions, wanted a technical answer.



the answers are there if you ignore the opinions, akhil512, dreamerman, and i have stated what we think will technically work
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January 16, 2014 10:06:41 AM

At the moment, AMD have said the Radeon R7 250 and 240 work with the AMD A10 7850k for dual graphics.
Both the DDR3 and DDR5 versions will also work with the A10 7850k.

They have not mentioned if the Radeon R7 260 or 260x will work with it yet.
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January 17, 2014 9:05:18 PM

can i ask a question? eazy899 where did you get the info that R7 250 and 240 will work. can you paste the link tnx
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January 17, 2014 10:52:55 PM

No Tech Expert would Recommend a Hybrid Crossfire,Because You Wont Feel Smooth Gaming,Don't Just see The FPS Produced by a Card/Processor,also see The Frame Time Variance(which is The Most Important Thing)

See This Link For More Info

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,...
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January 18, 2014 4:00:46 AM

Btw although the link says ddr3, it actually is updated in the post to say that AMD has confirmed it doesn't matter if its ddr3 or ddr5.

Personally, if I were you, I would wait for AMD to update its website to say which R7 series is best with the A10 7850k.
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January 18, 2014 4:08:20 AM

Regarding that link which reviews the AMD 7850k, what it says is true but current reviews of the chip won't reflect its future worth accurately because features such as HUMA, true audio and mantle haven't been utilised by software developers at all yet since they are new.

Benchmarking tests haven't been adapted to make use of these features yet either from what I have read.

Since these are the key selling points of the chip, the true performance of the A10 7850k and other Kaveri chips aren't shown by current reviews. The true benchmarks and performance of the chips will only be seen in the next few years once developers start utilising the key features of the chip hardware such as HUMA, True Audio and Mantle within their games/software and benchmarking tests are amended to utilise HUMA and the other features to give more accurate results.

Again, I am no computer expert but as I am very interested in this development, I have read a lot about it and these are the conclusions that I have discovered.

Long story short, current reviews and benchmarks underestimate the true potential performance of the A10 7850k and other kaveri chips because they don't utilise the key selling points of the hardware yet.

It will take time for the software side to catch up with the hardware.
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January 18, 2014 4:19:07 AM

Oh, I forgot to mention.

Even the review that you have linked says that the benchmarks they have used (and current software such as games) do not utilise the features of the Kaveri chip series.

On a side note, at the moment, I personally do prefer to still get a discrete cpu and discrete gpu for a gaming build but this mostly comes down to the fact that APUs can only Dual Graphics rather than crossfire with up to 4 cards.

However, in the future when this limitation is removed and an apu can crossfire with multiple graphics cards, I can see myself switching over to APUs completely.

That's why I understand peoples criticisms of the A series because it is still sub standard for top end gaming but I believe it could be the future of it when AMD start releasing some high level APUs even if it isn't quite there yet.
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January 24, 2014 3:47:38 PM

I am really interested in this setup more so for an HTPC. A10-7850k with a low profile R7 250. Is that a good option or is there something better in this price range for small form factor?
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January 24, 2014 4:37:15 PM

The issue I see with running an APU, Discrete GPU in dual graphics, and then 2400 MHz ram, is the fact that you can buy a quad core AMD FX CPU, Discrete GPU, and 1600 MHz ram for the same price and better performance or cheaper with same performance. The only place I can see myself using an APU is in an HTPC or a computer where you can't afford a D GPU at the time of initial purchase. APU's have their place. But they are severely limited in the CPU department, and dual graphics raises it's own issues of frame time variance problems.

If you're gaming I'd buy a $120 cpu, and a $100 GPU which almost equate to the $180 kaveri. But will blow it out of the water in performance. Only some games can take advantage of AMD's new Mantle which helps kaveri out a lot in gaming performance, and even then I have yet to see it actually used in anything besides bf4. Is it even fully released yet?


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January 26, 2014 9:42:50 PM

Nope not released yet. they either won't release it this month, or they won't be able to give anything substantial from it, and it will have basically been a lie to sell more cards
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January 27, 2014 8:06:01 PM

pilihp2 said:
The issue I see with running an APU, Discrete GPU in dual graphics, and then 2400 MHz ram, is the fact that you can buy a quad core AMD FX CPU, Discrete GPU, and 1600 MHz ram for the same price and better performance or cheaper with same performance. The only place I can see myself using an APU is in an HTPC or a computer where you can't afford a D GPU at the time of initial purchase. APU's have their place. But they are severely limited in the CPU department, and dual graphics raises it's own issues of frame time variance problems.

If you're gaming I'd buy a $120 cpu, and a $100 GPU which almost equate to the $180 kaveri. But will blow it out of the water in performance. Only some games can take advantage of AMD's new Mantle which helps kaveri out a lot in gaming performance, and even then I have yet to see it actually used in anything besides bf4. Is it even fully released yet?





The best match price for price is a FX-4130( 99.99 ) paired with an R7 240( 85.00 ). Graphically the 240 is the same as the Igpu in the 7850k ( 185.00 ). Cpu wise the FX-4130 doesn't come close to the 7850k. And forget about single threaded performance. Which has comparable single threaded power to an FX-9370 ( 249.99 ). Single threaded aside to match the cpu performance of the 7850k you would have to upgrade to the FX-8100 ( 199.99 ). Also the FX-4130 & R7 240 comes with a combined TDP of 155w compared to the 7850k's 95w.

Don't get me wrong, I know an extra $70 in the gpu direction will give you substantial leads in performance. But if I can play battlefield 4 at 1920x1080 on medium settings with an avg of 30FPS ( no mantle )...I mean just personally for me.....who cares. lol. 1 simple solution for the majority if not all of my gaming needs. No matter the side your on, you have to give kudos to AMD for this release.
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January 30, 2014 10:28:39 PM

akhil512 said:
No Tech Expert would Recommend a Hybrid Crossfire,Because You Wont Feel Smooth Gaming,Don't Just see The FPS Produced by a Card/Processor,also see The Frame Time Variance(which is The Most Important Thing)

See This Link For More Info

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,...


Check this out...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-A8-7600...

I bought an a10 7850k and an R7 260x. I happen to think of it as a wise investment. I am a big supporter of AMD technology (GCN, HSA, hUMA) I'm also inclined to believe that Mantle will start playing a larger role in 2015/16 game titles. I made the decision to select this combo as a means of future proofing on a low budget. The entire build comes in between the cost of a PS4 and the cost of an Xbox One; delivering more power, more parallelism, and allowing me my choice of OS. My hopes for the 7850k all ride on whether or not the tech is integrated into next-gen developer toolkits. Take a look at LibreOffice's Calc: HSA performance...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/174632-amd-kaveri-...

Bearing all this in mind, my suggestion to joho5 is to wait for knuckleheads like me to log some quality time with this part before making a definitive conclusion. If you want high-performance/not-quite-enthusiast graphics then you are talking about a low TDP i3 4330 or an overclocking badboy like the FX 8320 and a dgpu like the GTX 550ti or the Radeon 7790
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February 3, 2014 2:27:32 PM

Ok, I have a few things to say here.

1. A few of you have kept saying its better to get a discrete cpu and gpu for gaming like its always true. It's not always true 1st off.
It also depends on your budget and what you can get as well and the combination of cpu/apu and gpu you are getting.
That being said, if I could afford it, i would get a FX 8350 and a R9 Series card but I don't have the money for it so stop going on about this discrete cpu and gpu crap just because you are an intel fanboy, there are other considerations to take into account and you are wasting my time with your fan boy comments. For the price, the A10 7850k is the best chip available (again don't go emo here because it depends on the combo you are getting somewhat and I realise that).

2. What I need to know is what cards the A10 7850k Dual Graphics with and which cards it can Hybrid Crossfire with and not fanboy comments.

3. The person who said it will only Dual Graphics with DDR3 cards, that has already been proven wrong via a statement from AMD but I can understand why you trusted the rumor mill since it was a good educated guess even if it has been proven wrong.

4. A new patch has recently been released to address the frame stuttering problem so its not a big deal now.

5. Mantly API results in the greatest performance increases on APUs and AMD GPUs and is shown to increase FPS by up to 40% on AMD based APUs and only up to 10% on Intel Based CPUS, this is another reason why things the APUs are better than they appear at 1st.

6. Although HUMA is not well used yet, it will be increasingly implemented in the future and test results for HUMA optimised software are out now showing significant performance increases when this is utilised showing that as software reaches up with the APU hardware, it will get even better so thats another reason why the A10 7850k is better than it initially seems.

7. It uses 2133mhz ram so its better than it seems again.

7. Lastly, AMD has been open in saying the A10 7850k was not designed for the power hungry gamining enthusiast in mind, they are exploiting specific market segments with this chip including the mobile market so all of you who try comparing it to an i7 4770k, don't be stupid it wasn't designed to be an overpowered chip that only the top 1% of people who spend significant amounts of money on high end gaming rigs would buy. Maybe in the future they will produce APUs for gaming enthusiasts but this is for the moderate gamer not for the overclockers with custom cooling and r9 280xs in crossfire etc. Most people dont spend money like that on gaming and I don't need to play premium games at 60fps at 1080p on ultra settings to enjoy them, thats a luxury that comes at a significant premium not worth it for most people. I am happy with a PC with PS4 graphics for the next 3 to 6 years, i dont need more.

OK, rant over but to all those who wasted time saying cpu gpu comments that weren't related to the post, please try to stay on topic.

eidolon 171, thank you for your post, it is the most useful one.
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February 3, 2014 2:32:48 PM

1 slight correction, hybrid crossfire is dual graphics, i made them sound like 2 separate things. My bad.
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February 3, 2014 2:34:43 PM

eidolon171 said:
akhil512 said:
No Tech Expert would Recommend a Hybrid Crossfire,Because You Wont Feel Smooth Gaming,Don't Just see The FPS Produced by a Card/Processor,also see The Frame Time Variance(which is The Most Important Thing)

See This Link For More Info

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,...


Check this out...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-A8-7600...

I bought an a10 7850k and an R7 260x. I happen to think of it as a wise investment. I am a big supporter of AMD technology (GCN, HSA, hUMA) I'm also inclined to believe that Mantle will start playing a larger role in 2015/16 game titles. I made the decision to select this combo as a means of future proofing on a low budget. The entire build comes in between the cost of a PS4 and the cost of an Xbox One; delivering more power, more parallelism, and allowing me my choice of OS. My hopes for the 7850k all ride on whether or not the tech is integrated into next-gen developer toolkits. Take a look at LibreOffice's Calc: HSA performance...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/174632-amd-kaveri-...

Bearing all this in mind, my suggestion to joho5 is to wait for knuckleheads like me to log some quality time with this part before making a definitive conclusion. If you want high-performance/not-quite-enthusiast graphics then you are talking about a low TDP i3 4330 or an overclocking badboy like the FX 8320 and a dgpu like the GTX 550ti or the Radeon 7790


Thanks, I will be looking to do exactly the same as you buddy.

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February 3, 2014 2:41:49 PM

eidolon171 said:
akhil512 said:
No Tech Expert would Recommend a Hybrid Crossfire,Because You Wont Feel Smooth Gaming,Don't Just see The FPS Produced by a Card/Processor,also see The Frame Time Variance(which is The Most Important Thing)

See This Link For More Info

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-7850k-a8-7600-kaveri,...


Check this out...
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-A8-7600...

I bought an a10 7850k and an R7 260x. I happen to think of it as a wise investment. I am a big supporter of AMD technology (GCN, HSA, hUMA) I'm also inclined to believe that Mantle will start playing a larger role in 2015/16 game titles. I made the decision to select this combo as a means of future proofing on a low budget. The entire build comes in between the cost of a PS4 and the cost of an Xbox One; delivering more power, more parallelism, and allowing me my choice of OS. My hopes for the 7850k all ride on whether or not the tech is integrated into next-gen developer toolkits. Take a look at LibreOffice's Calc: HSA performance...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/174632-amd-kaveri-...

Bearing all this in mind, my suggestion to joho5 is to wait for knuckleheads like me to log some quality time with this part before making a definitive conclusion. If you want high-performance/not-quite-enthusiast graphics then you are talking about a low TDP i3 4330 or an overclocking badboy like the FX 8320 and a dgpu like the GTX 550ti or the Radeon 7790


Eidolon, were you able to enable Dual graphics with the A10 7850k and the R7 260x?
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February 3, 2014 8:35:49 PM

eazy899 said:

Eidolon, were you able to enable Dual graphics with the A10 7850k and the R7 260x?


Not yet. Reason being is that I'm till waiting on Amazon to ship my kaveri apu. I bought it at 8pm on 01/14 and I'm still on backorder. Shame on Amazon. I don't expect it will though.

Considering what you said about price range being a leading factor, what would you say about an fx 4130 or i3 3240 cpu + r7 250 or GTX 650 dgpu as being a fair fight for the 7850k's market? I would assume that they would be, since these combinations would be roughly equivalent to the 7850k's current price-point. However, consider these bonuses: with the 3240 + dgpu you're working with a similar TDP envelope and definitely getting better floating point calculations per core, or with the 4130 you could theoretically overclock its brains out (5+ GHz on liquids).

Don't get me wrong, I predict that the 7850k which includes the FMA family, SSE Family, F16C, AEX and AES instruction sets, full Mantle implementation, as well as HSA, and hUMA architecture will blow the 4130 and the 3240 out of the water (eventually). But current apps and games will show (I think) more impressive speed and functionality when used on the discreet combo, as driver support for these new processes will not be available ITNF, and the 7850k is probably going to be bottlenecked by the software it's running, at least early on.

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February 3, 2014 8:51:51 PM

eidolon171 said:
eazy899 said:

Eidolon, were you able to enable Dual graphics with the A10 7850k and the R7 260x?


Not yet. Reason being is that I'm till waiting on Amazon to ship my kaveri apu. I bought it at 8pm on 01/14 and I'm still on backorder. Shame on Amazon. I don't expect it will though.

Considering what you said about price range being a leading factor, what would you say about an fx 4130 or i3 3240 cpu + r7 250 or GTX 650 dgpu as being a fair fight for the 7850k's market? I would assume that they would be, since these combinations would be roughly equivalent to the 7850k's current price-point. However, consider these bonuses: with the 3240 + dgpu you're working with a similar TDP envelope and definitely getting better floating point calculations per core, or with the 4130 you could theoretically overclock its brains out (5+ GHz on liquids).

Don't get me wrong, I predict that the 7850k which includes the FMA family, SSE Family, F16C, AEX and AES instruction sets, full Mantle implementation, as well as HSA, and hUMA architecture will blow the 4130 and the 3240 out of the water (eventually). But current apps and games will show (I think) more impressive speed and functionality when used on the discreet combo, as driver support for these new processes will not be available ITNF, and the 7850k is probably going to be bottlenecked by the software it's running, at least early on.



I am a little too tired to go into detail atm but I believe the A10 7850k will be a better buy tbh.

I have seen A8s Dual graphic'ed with R7 250s so I hope that the A10 will be able to with r7 260xs because its more powerful but I need to find out cuz its a fundamental reason for me buying it at this price point.

Please let me know if you are able to once you receive your apu. thanks.
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February 3, 2014 8:55:35 PM

Btw on liquids, you can overclock the A 10 7850k to 4.7 ghz on the cpu, 1020 mhz on the gpu and 2400 mhz on ram and still be stable.

I wont be able to afford liquid cooling anyway though.
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February 3, 2014 11:15:11 PM

^^^^I get that your too tired right now, but please share your thinking in your own time.

I'm already making a short video for youtube that documents my build, and will contain various benchs, the list of threads I have promised to drop a link on is getting pretty long, but I will be sure to put one on this thread as well.

Okay, I googled it and you're right about the overclocking. The guys over at hardcoreware.com got their 7850k up to 4690.5MHz http://www.hardcoreware.net/kaveri-7850k-overclocked-be... but they had to bump the voltage up to 1.44v! And it was only cooled with a Noctua NH-U14S! That case had to have been hot enough to cook a pizza. The folks at anandtech.com stopped at 4.4GHz http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8... citing temps over 1.325V as alarmingly high. As to how this plays out in the conversation on "apu vs cpu+dgpu": a contributor on Noticias3d.com took his 7850k up to 4558.7MHz http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4... presumably at 1.375V and ran it against an (unknown series/model) stock i3+HD7750 and couldn't manage to get his 7850k to hit the same FPS in Tomb Raider or Metro Last Night.

It is a widely accepted belief that Kaveri's bulk CMOS is only on par for overclocking with the FinFET stock Intel is working with, and no where near as awesome as Piledriver and Richlands SOI has been. I think that even with liquid cooling I probably won't go past 4.3GHz at around 1.3V, in order to keep temps comfortable and prolong the life of my apu by a year or two. As for the igpu I would agree that 850MHz to 1000MHz is probably a pretty safe zone for the R7 cores, and I will push mine up there. I've also got 8GB of G.Skill Ripjaws CasLat 10 2400MHz RAM that has already tested super stable with an Athon 760k processor. So we're basically on the same page there as well.

Don't rule out liquid cooling eazy899, the Cooler Master Seidon 120V is only $50, and totally worth it if you want to try to put your 7850k at 4.5+GHz
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February 4, 2014 4:42:48 AM

eidolon171 said:
^^^^I get that your too tired right now, but please share your thinking in your own time.

I'm already making a short video for youtube that documents my build, and will contain various benchs, the list of threads I have promised to drop a link on is getting pretty long, but I will be sure to put one on this thread as well.

Okay, I googled it and you're right about the overclocking. The guys over at hardcoreware.com got their 7850k up to 4690.5MHz http://www.hardcoreware.net/kaveri-7850k-overclocked-be... but they had to bump the voltage up to 1.44v! And it was only cooled with a Noctua NH-U14S! That case had to have been hot enough to cook a pizza. The folks at anandtech.com stopped at 4.4GHz http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8... citing temps over 1.325V as alarmingly high. As to how this plays out in the conversation on "apu vs cpu+dgpu": a contributor on Noticias3d.com took his 7850k up to 4558.7MHz http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4... presumably at 1.375V and ran it against an (unknown series/model) stock i3+HD7750 and couldn't manage to get his 7850k to hit the same FPS in Tomb Raider or Metro Last Night.

It is a widely accepted belief that Kaveri's bulk CMOS is only on par for overclocking with the FinFET stock Intel is working with, and no where near as awesome as Piledriver and Richlands SOI has been. I think that even with liquid cooling I probably won't go past 4.3GHz at around 1.3V, in order to keep temps comfortable and prolong the life of my apu by a year or two. As for the igpu I would agree that 850MHz to 1000MHz is probably a pretty safe zone for the R7 cores, and I will push mine up there. I've also got 8GB of G.Skill Ripjaws CasLat 10 2400MHz RAM that has already tested super stable with an Athon 760k processor. So we're basically on the same page there as well.

Don't rule out liquid cooling eazy899, the Cooler Master Seidon 120V is only $50, and totally worth it if you want to try to put your 7850k at 4.5+GHz



If your wondering how well liquid cooling would work with the 7850k...I'm expecting to have my build done in the next 2 weeks.

Here's the part list. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

That liquid cooler is thee best one to get, top of the line, and completely overkill but I'm doin it
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February 4, 2014 5:26:22 AM

Dude, that's amazing. Truthfully, I am going to see if I can get some as well.

I doubt I will be able to but I am considering my options simply cuz the A 10 7850k can be overclocked so much.

If I had a cooling system that could manage it, it would really be a boost for me.

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February 4, 2014 5:31:20 AM

Eidolon, I agree with much of what you have just said by the way. When I have time, I will try to get around to justifying my comments but yeh I agree with both of you on the cooling front.

I have other unplanned expenditures atm though which are holding back my spending power but I agree on not overclocking to 4.7ghz lol and also on liquid cooling, I just have to see if i can afford it.

It will also be helpful to hear about how your systems manage the loads you set and how effective your cooling is before I get mine.
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February 4, 2014 5:53:46 PM

Nemesis-7 said:



If your wondering how well liquid cooling would work with the 7850k...I'm expecting to have my build done in the next 2 weeks.

Here's the part list. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

That liquid cooler is thee best one to get, top of the line, and completely overkill but I'm doin it


The link didn't work for me. What kind of cooler are you getting?

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February 4, 2014 7:17:49 PM

eidolon171 said:
Nemesis-7 said:



If your wondering how well liquid cooling would work with the 7850k...I'm expecting to have my build done in the next 2 weeks.

Here's the part list. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

That liquid cooler is thee best one to get, top of the line, and completely overkill but I'm doin it


The link didn't work for me. What kind of cooler are you getting?



ahh. I'm getting the nepton 280l. According to frostytech and a few other places it's supposed to be the best
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February 5, 2014 12:25:24 AM

Holy ƒμ¢ϰ! Now that's a cooling solution. My old Phenom II's were running under a homebrew liquid cooler that I dubbed Blue Kryptonite (in reality it was just an old Cooler Master Gemini II s with a modified HandyCooler strapped to it). The nickname makes more sense if you see what my case looks like http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns...
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February 5, 2014 5:52:30 AM

lol totally overkill right. I just want my APU to be super frosty. My only issue now is finding a case that will fit that monster.

o and heres my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MiDc
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February 6, 2014 1:05:26 PM

eazy899 said:
Ok, I have a few things to say here.

1. A few of you have kept saying its better to get a discrete cpu and gpu for gaming like its always true. It's not always true 1st off.
It also depends on your budget and what you can get as well and the combination of cpu/apu and gpu you are getting.
That being said, if I could afford it, i would get a FX 8350 and a R9 Series card but I don't have the money for it so stop going on about this discrete cpu and gpu crap just because you are an intel fanboy, there are other considerations to take into account and you are wasting my time with your fan boy comments. For the price, the A10 7850k is the best chip available (again don't go emo here because it depends on the combo you are getting somewhat and I realise that).

2. What I need to know is what cards the A10 7850k Dual Graphics with and which cards it can Hybrid Crossfire with and not fanboy comments.

3. The person who said it will only Dual Graphics with DDR3 cards, that has already been proven wrong via a statement from AMD but I can understand why you trusted the rumor mill since it was a good educated guess even if it has been proven wrong.

4. A new patch has recently been released to address the frame stuttering problem so its not a big deal now.

5. Mantly API results in the greatest performance increases on APUs and AMD GPUs and is shown to increase FPS by up to 40% on AMD based APUs and only up to 10% on Intel Based CPUS, this is another reason why things the APUs are better than they appear at 1st.

6. Although HUMA is not well used yet, it will be increasingly implemented in the future and test results for HUMA optimised software are out now showing significant performance increases when this is utilised showing that as software reaches up with the APU hardware, it will get even better so thats another reason why the A10 7850k is better than it initially seems.

7. It uses 2133mhz ram so its better than it seems again.

7. Lastly, AMD has been open in saying the A10 7850k was not designed for the power hungry gamining enthusiast in mind, they are exploiting specific market segments with this chip including the mobile market so all of you who try comparing it to an i7 4770k, don't be stupid it wasn't designed to be an overpowered chip that only the top 1% of people who spend significant amounts of money on high end gaming rigs would buy. Maybe in the future they will produce APUs for gaming enthusiasts but this is for the moderate gamer not for the overclockers with custom cooling and r9 280xs in crossfire etc. Most people dont spend money like that on gaming and I don't need to play premium games at 60fps at 1080p on ultra settings to enjoy them, thats a luxury that comes at a significant premium not worth it for most people. I am happy with a PC with PS4 graphics for the next 3 to 6 years, i dont need more.

OK, rant over but to all those who wasted time saying cpu gpu comments that weren't related to the post, please try to stay on topic.

eidolon 171, thank you for your post, it is the most useful one.


Right on man...I am a budget gamer. I live on a moderate to small income, my wife stays home and we have 3 kids.

Im always trying to bend the system to explore cost vs performance. This is what really intrigues me about the APU lineups.

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February 8, 2014 7:53:46 PM

If you look at the current Intel CPU e.i. I3 , I5 and I7 series, they all have integrated graphics as do the AMD APU's. With that being said, people are still seeing and using the Intel chip as discrete CPU and it technically isn't. Now say you buy a high end GPU with the A10-7850k and use it as a discrete GPU. Now with the tech inside the chip it self, both the CPU and GPU within the APU will worry about the rendering the physics of the game while the discrete GPU renders the rest. So in the end the whole APU is still being utilized, and its not a waste to go that route. Again all I-series Intel chips are using a discrete GPU for the most part and not its on board GPU respectively.
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February 9, 2014 3:02:48 AM

Yeh, you are right that Intel processors are also apus but the integrated graphics in them are terrible.

Also, If you are getting anything above a R7 series graphics card, then a non A series chip is better.

But for all those people who want 1080p at 60fps on medium or high settings at the best value for money price, there is no combination better than an A10 7850k in dual graphics with a R7 250.

Also with these chips being so cheap, its easy to spare the extra cash for good cooling to overclock them significantly.

Simply put, if you are in the gaming enthusiast market or spend a lot on gaming computers, you wont want the A10 7850k but like i said before AMD did not design this chip for gaming enthusiasts.

If however, you are the majority of the populace who buy builds which are good for gaming but not super expensive, this is the apu for you.

The intel i3 cant even be overclocked anyway so even on a purely cpu basis, I would take the a10 7850k anyway.

The i5 is a bit more complicated, if I am going to get a R9 series card, then I would get the i5 over the A10 but if im only going to get a r7 card, then I would get the A10.

So its not a simple case of intel is always better and thats something stupid fanboys say cuz its not always better.

The fact is an A10 7850k with a R7 250 in Dual graphics is good enough to run most games at 1080p on high settings perhaps with a few adjustments like taking out anti aliasing on some.

Furthermore, thats even before most of its tech has been implemented like mantle, true audio and hsa which will all improve performance further.

And lastly, they are both so cheap, you could get good liquid cooling alongside and overclock them easily for even better performance.

So in summary, the A10s blow i3s out of the water and the A10s blow i5s out of the water if you are getting a R7 series or below card, they only lose out when you get a card above R7s.

Which chip is better for you depends on which market you are in, either the enthusiast spend a lot of money on a top spec gaming build market or the hey I have a family and a mortgage to pay off or the I don't need to play games on ultra settings majority of populace market which is the one most people are in.
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February 12, 2014 9:56:25 PM

Four weeks later and I'm still waiting on Amazon to ship my a10 7850k. I wonder why its taking so long?
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February 12, 2014 9:58:15 PM

are you tracking it at all?
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February 13, 2014 4:02:38 PM

It hasn't even shipped yet!
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February 20, 2014 4:50:40 PM

Finally decided to cancel my order with Amazon because they sent an alert saying that I would not receive my 7850k until March 25th (over two months total waiting!). Went to Newegg earlier this morning, and purchased the rush processing and two day delivery... my 7850k was shipped by 4:30pm! Amazon just got owned by a superior retailer. GO NEWEGG!
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