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I bet it has.

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2BGsz <--- $800 build on the nose. The two hdds are so you can run a RAID format and get faster speeds. Upgraded the video card and cpu as well.

I wish you lived in the states haha. My computer has about the same stats/better and is $200 cheaper. Ouch.
Win7 is an additional $115, btw.

Update: sorry, I forgot I changed the case too, a better case and can support the usb 3.0 your mobo can provide. (6x faster (3.0Gbps in real life testing 5.0Gbps on paper.)
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Hey! I need a little more information to help you out here.

First of all, are you using an outside device for video capture or are you relying on software?

Second, why are you using a 500gb Hdd? you could use a ssd for a speed boost or just upgrade it to a 1tb for not much more at all (1tb-3tb tends to be a price/gb sweet spot) Two drives in a raid config (1tb+1tb in raid 0) would be a good speed upgrade if you couldn't afford an ssd for the system.

Third, what kind of games do you play? Are you playing CPU intensive MMORPG/RTS or GPU intensive FPSes?

The CPU is a good choice. I use a FX-6300 in my budget builds and OC it to get the stats I need. The second computer uses a great CPU but the first one..... well look for yourself http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-6300-vs-AMD-FX-4130. I would consider the 6300 because the extra cores could help run all your programs if you were playing a cpu intensive game as well. (if it supports multicore) I'd save the extra money to buy a better cpu cooler for an OC and put what is left in the the SSD or video card.

If you can give me a limit and so forth, I can try to get a better set up for you. Im guessing your in the AU from your links?

 
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Neither will run games at more than very very low and lowered resolutions. The Gt630 is NOT a gaming GPU at all and is barely better than integrated graphics.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Memory: Avexir Core series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.00 @ PLE Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($145.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 335 Upgraded ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($22.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Total: $707.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 01:33 EST+1100)

Do this. It will get you comfortable medium settings in new game at 1080p.
 
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And if something is worth it is a little bit hard to say. My build is 100 more expensive and will definitely give higher framerates, but if you are satisfied with medium the build from tiny is perfect. The best thing to do is just determine a budget.
 
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Yeah, we really need a set budget. Also you can't really say it will give higher frame rates. both will play games locked at 60fps, just at different settings. The 7850 will get you a mix of medium and high settings in new games and the 650ti will get you solid medium settings.
 
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ok i was really hoping to be around the $800 mark (would maybe go up to $850, but if it can be done for less would prefer it) i will be playing minecraft alot but may look to play other games in the future basically i want a really good build for a minecraft recording computer but with the possibilities to easily upgrade it should i choose to play something a bit more graphics demanding like "the last of us" or "skyrim" they i would be happy to just be at a high medium setting or a really stable medium settings. sorry for not giving enough information. yes im from australia. i will be using fraps to record. i chose two hdd's so one can record while the other runs the game for better performance but maybe i can just put up with the one for a while. thanks for all your help :)
 
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Haha, minecraft. I stopped playing that right after it came out of alpha XD. Just give me a few minutes and I'll update this post with a better build then.

and one more question, you don't need an os or anything?
 
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it's become quite the technical game these days haha.
and well windows7 would be nice but if it raises the price heaps dont worry ill find a way around it
 
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I bet it has.

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2BGsz <--- $800 build on the nose. The two hdds are so you can run a RAID format and get faster speeds. Upgraded the video card and cpu as well.

I wish you lived in the states haha. My computer has about the same stats/better and is $200 cheaper. Ouch.
Win7 is an additional $115, btw.

Update: sorry, I forgot I changed the case too, a better case and can support the usb 3.0 your mobo can provide. (6x faster (3.0Gbps in real life testing 5.0Gbps on paper.)
 
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I know it added $13 but is this ok? http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2BGFV extra 500GB
ill stick with that case if you think it's better. will that run MineCraft well?
and will it be capable of video editing using sony vegas easily?
i wish i lived there too it just seems like such a better country to live in apart from the lack of beaches and AFL everything is more affordable and the lifestyle suites me better. and plus like you said same spec $200 cheaper. As for Win7 ill find a way around it.
 
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Yeah, its whatever you want. Two 1tb drives in a RAID would be faster than a single 2tb though and a sweeter price/gb then a 2tb and a 500gb. The 500gb is pretty much useless with a 2tb drive. You could spend that money and get an external 500gb usb 3.0 for about the same price couldn't you? Plus, then you could cut out that drive and save it until you need the extra storage and there would be no hassle with data transfer

It shouldn't do bad at all for your gaming and the processor is pretty great for CPU intensive editing. A later upgrade might be an SSD for your OS and video editing software. It would speed up boot times and access times for both.

Minecraft is a simple game until you get into complex building though. (redstone anyone?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9JXmq9YjgQ <--- uses your GPU and says he can get 120fps without FRAPS with his settings without lag spikes too.
 
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Sorry as you might have been able to tell im fairly new to building computers, what is "RAID" and if you recommend it that's what i'll do because you seem to know your stuff. yeah i'd like to get an SSD later down the track just dont have the money in the budget at the minute.
 
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Haha, the funny part is I have only built one computer but I've been studying them for years now.
RAID 0 would give a minor speed boost. http://www.pcworld.com/article/132877/RAID.html
RAID 1 gives more security. Look for yourself at this link. I don't want you going into it blindly. In a RAID 0 format if one drive fails you lose everything but in RAID 1 you have half the space for data (two 1 tb drives that are exactly the same data wise) but if a drive fails everything stays the same.
 
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Eh, I have had only one drive fail on me since I started heavily using computers. I have never had a desktop drive fail but I do upgrade on a yearly/every other year basis. The drive I had fail was a laptop where I got angry and hit it right next to the touchpad without knowing that's where the HDD mounted and I jarred the platter. That was a bad day.
http://voices.yahoo.com/common-causes-hard-drive-failure-145483.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170748-how-long-do-hard-drives-actually-live-for
 
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Also, this CPU cooler is JUNK, It is not even better than the stock cooler that comes with the CPU. Drop it to save yourself money,
 
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That is why I posted all of the guides for him, so he could learn the risks and how to do it. I was suggesting a RAID format and an external anyways. With a USB 3.0 port and drive, (which we have set up in this build), he could achieve up to a 3Gbps write speed (5.0 in testing), That is as fast as the SATA ports that are left in his build.

Later on, he already has said he wanted an SSD in the future to speed up his system. At that point he could change the format to suit his new set up. (SSD boot/application , 1TB data, 1TB backup)

So why would he want a single 2tb drive? I'm not trying to be rude, but your statements contradict themselves. Even if he wasn't going to do a RAID format, two separate drives at 1TB would fulfill your current statement and at a sweeter price/gb then a 2tb and a 500gb.

I do agree on the cooler though. I am not familiar with stock coolers as I have never used one. I wouldn't get anything less then a 212 hyper+ but his au restrictions don't help the fact that everything is way more expensive.
 
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Regarding the cooler, just get the stock cooler over that one as it is complete junk and no better. Just a waste of money. Getting an aftermarket cooler for this build is pointless anyway because that motherboard has poor power phases and no VRM heatsinks so no overclocking should be attempted at all.
 
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